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Re: Recruiting
« Reply #1725 on: May 24, 2023, 03:34:44 PM »
Quote from: ThePAMan on May 24, 2023, 03:30:31 PM
Then why isn't he (allegedly)?

Likes snowboarding. Trainer is buddies with coach. Pissed about being passed over out of HS.
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"He commented more than once that, 'You know, Hitler did some good things, too,'" Kelly recalled to The Times. Kelly said he would usually quash the conversation by saying "nothing (Hitler) did, you could argue, was good," but that Trump would occasionally bring up the topic again.
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« Reply #1726 on: May 24, 2023, 03:36:42 PM »
Quote from: spark mandrill on May 24, 2023, 01:17:03 PM
You think you're sticking one to me here, but you're notably doing what I was specifically not doing.  I know that doesn't matter to you, and you will just pretend I am "making it up and sticking with it" no matter what I say, but I'm going to point out: you are flat out lying.

I wish you could have an honest discussion, one time, without lying a dozen times about what I said but it is clear after a decade or so that you aren't capable of that.  You HAVE to win an argument, and if you have to just lie about what somebody said to do it, who cares?  You won.

One of the two of us has made a bunch of assumptions and projections about RayJ Dennis and stuck to them, but it sure isn't me.

JFC talk about holier than thou. You ask me to not to do something, yet repeatedly do the same things to me over and over. C’mon, Spark. You’re better than this. You misrepresent my opinions all of the time.
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"He commented more than once that, 'You know, Hitler did some good things, too,'" Kelly recalled to The Times. Kelly said he would usually quash the conversation by saying "nothing (Hitler) did, you could argue, was good," but that Trump would occasionally bring up the topic again.
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Re: Recruiting
« Reply #1727 on: May 24, 2023, 03:37:09 PM »
Quote from: Tempo34 on May 24, 2023, 03:28:55 PM
I think it’s 100x more likely Rayj has real interest in playing for Illinois than that he has salty parents or he even has hard feelings being passed over out of HS. Maybe 200.

I know this is a complex thought for you, but both things you mention here could absolutely be true.

The entire point is that you and I simply do not have the information we'd need to make such a judgment.  Any judgment we make is going to be based on assumptions.
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« Reply #1728 on: May 24, 2023, 03:38:38 PM »
Quote from: Tempo34 on May 24, 2023, 03:36:42 PM
JFC talk about holier than thou. You ask me to not to do something, yet repeatedly do the same things to me over and over. C’mon, Spark. You’re better than this. You misrepresent my opinions all of the time.

Give me an example.

I am the only dude who stands up for you here when the rest of these morons act like you thought Reggie Theus was the only answer for us, and yet you treat me just like they treat you, every single time we argue.

You make up a take, extrapolate wildly from what I actually said, and argue against that while totally disregarding the dozens of times I say "no dude that is not what I'm saying" - you don't care, you're not even listening.

You're still railing on "spark thinks Trubisky and Mahomes are comparable!" and "spark thinks Illinois and Northwestern are comparable!" and "spark thinks Illinois and Arizona State are comparable" even though you know, because I have told you a combined probably 500 times, that I didn't say or believe any of those things.  You simply don't care what I actually think or am saying, you're miles away already, running with the take YOU invented for me.
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Re: Recruiting
« Reply #1729 on: May 24, 2023, 03:40:31 PM »
Yes, both could be true. One a lot more likely than the other, though.

Do you really think the theory that he’s passing over Illinois because they are salty is at all likely? Why not just tell them to pound sand? Didn’t he make a visit? Seems overly petty to go through all that just to have the pleasure of saying “no.”
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Re: Recruiting
« Reply #1730 on: May 24, 2023, 03:42:21 PM »
Quote from: spark mandrill on May 24, 2023, 10:03:56 AM
So do we believe the Loyalty guys actually do have inside info now?

There's gotta be SOMEBODY who can acknowledge it's kind of funny we have a whole thread shitting on them for not really being insiders, but then still uncritically repeat what they say as fact.

I don’t believe anything they say.  It’s all been proven wrong.

And they may think this “300k” story is helping the program by basically suggesting “We did all we could”. But it’s the exact opposite.

If a company offers an employee 300,000 more for one year of service, and they still don’t sign.  Then either that employee hates the company, hates his coworkers, or hates his boss.

It makes Illinois look even worse
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« Reply #1731 on: May 24, 2023, 03:42:29 PM »
Quote from: Tempo34 on May 24, 2023, 03:34:44 PM
Likes snowboarding. Trainer is buddies with coach. Pissed about being passed over out of HS.

Those are real reasons someone could make this choice, yeah.  There are lots of others, too, as I've mentioned - including that Underwood fucked up, that Underwood's a racist, etc.

You're trying to sell these as unreasonable things, but they aren't.  Location matters; relationship with coaching staffs matters.  No one is saying that that's what happened here, but there are some of us willing to acknowledge that we have no idea what happened here and not just write off very real possibilities because they're not what we assume probably happened.

If you think you know what happened with RayJ Dennis feel free to continue claiming it as fact.  I'm not going to pretend I know, because I don't and lying isn't really for me.
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« Reply #1732 on: May 24, 2023, 03:43:16 PM »
Dude, I’m not going down the Trubisky hole again, but you absolutely made the case that Trubisky “was playing about as well as Mahomes” and used stats to do it. I have to paraphrase because it was so long ago and that whole conversation was scrubbed. It was a ridiculous take then, and looks even way more ridiculous now.

Question: do you still think the Bears won the Khalil Mack trade?
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"He commented more than once that, 'You know, Hitler did some good things, too,'" Kelly recalled to The Times. Kelly said he would usually quash the conversation by saying "nothing (Hitler) did, you could argue, was good," but that Trump would occasionally bring up the topic again.
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« Reply #1733 on: May 24, 2023, 03:44:19 PM »
Quote from: Tempo34 on May 24, 2023, 03:40:31 PM
Yes, both could be true. One a lot more likely than the other, though.

Do you really think the theory that he’s passing over Illinois because they are salty is at all likely? Why not just tell them to pound sand? Didn’t he make a visit? Seems overly petty to go through all that just to have the pleasure of saying “no.”

I have nevet met RayJ, how in the fuck would I have the information I'd need to tell you which is more likely?  How do you?

You obviously seem to think you know what happened here, but you don't.

I have been pretty fucking clear, have I not?  I don't know what happened here.  Do I think the fact that we didn't look at him in HS could've played into it?  Yeah, of course it could've.  It'd be the peak of meatheadedness to just act like that's not a thing that happens.  That doesn't mean he wasn't seriously considering us or was trying to fuck us over or anything either, you added that bit to make it sound worse.  That's possible too, I simply do not have the information I'd need to judge that.
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« Reply #1734 on: May 24, 2023, 03:45:19 PM »
If Rayj never had any real interest in coming here, I don’t think we’d have been the landing spot experts were picking for several weeks. Why wouldn’t he just tell them to pound sand from the word jump?
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« Reply #1735 on: May 24, 2023, 03:46:53 PM »
Quote from: Tempo34 on May 24, 2023, 03:43:16 PM
Dude, I’m not going down the Trubisky hole again, but you absolutely made the case that Trubisky “was playing about as well as Mahomes” and used stats to do it. I have to paraphrase because it was so long ago and that whole conversation was scrubbed. It was a ridiculous take then, and looks even way more ridiculous now.

Question: do you still think the Bears won the Khalil Mack trade?

Well, depends on the goal.  If the goal was to build a team that could contend with their QB on a rookie deal?  Yeah, that was a win.   They were certainly better than they'd have been without Mack.  The QB didn't work out though, so if the goal was to win a super bowl - which I assume it was - then no, it didn't work out how they planned.  I'm not sure the Raiders were any better off all things considered, though.

And yes, again, you're leaving out a pretty notable bit of my take here to make it sound unreasonable.  You do it literally every. single. time.  I've explained what I was saying literally a hundred times to you, and you simply don't listen, move on, and repeat the lie next time.

Trubisky, when I said it, WAS playing about as well as Mahomes over the previous three weeks, which as you know since you're being honest and not lying about my position, is exactly and specifically what I was talking to make a point about judging a dude's career potential on his first 15 games.
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« Reply #1736 on: May 24, 2023, 03:47:09 PM »
Quote from: spark mandrill on May 24, 2023, 03:44:19 PM
I have nevet met RayJ, how in the fuck would I have the information I'd need to tell you which is more likely?  How do you?

You obviously seem to think you know what happened here, but you don't.

I have been pretty fucking clear, have I not?  I don't know what happened here.  Do I think the fact that we didn't look at him in HS could've played into it?  Yeah, of course it could've.  It'd be the peak of meatheadedness to just act like that's not a thing that happens.  That doesn't mean he wasn't seriously considering us or was trying to fuck us over or anything either, you added that bit to make it sound worse.  That's possible too, I simply do not have the information I'd need to judge that.

Again, this is why I’m making fun of you. You think your cockamamie theory is just as plausible as he has actual real interest in playing here.
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Re: Recruiting
« Reply #1737 on: May 24, 2023, 03:47:14 PM »
Quote from: Tempo34 on May 24, 2023, 03:45:19 PM
If Rayj never had any real interest in coming here, I don’t think we’d have been the landing spot experts were picking for several weeks. Why wouldn’t he just tell them to pound sand from the word jump?

When I find someone claiming RayJ never had any real interest in coming here, I'll ask them.
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« Reply #1738 on: May 24, 2023, 03:48:22 PM »
Quote from: Tempo34 on May 24, 2023, 03:47:09 PM
Again, this is why I’m making fun of you. You think your cockamamie theory is just as plausible as he has actual real interest in playing here.

And this is why -I- am making fun of -you- - because you pretend you know what happened here when you actually have no idea at all, and find it worthy of mockery when someone admits they don't have any idea.

You pretend you know, so when someone admits they don't you mock them.  But your dirty little secret here is, you have absolutely no fucking clue what happened with RayJ.  None.  You can pretend you do and mock the people who tell the truth and admit they don't all you want, and you STILL won't know what happened here.
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« Reply #1739 on: May 24, 2023, 03:48:32 PM »
Quote from: spark mandrill on May 24, 2023, 03:46:53 PM
Well, depends on the goal.  If the goal was to build a team that could contend with their QB on a rookie deal?  Yeah, that was a win.   They were certainly better than they'd have been without Mack.  The QB didn't work out though, so if the goal was to win a super bowl - which I assume it was - then no, it didn't work out how they planned.  I'm not sure the Raiders were any better off all things considered, though.

And yes, again, you're leaving out a pretty notable bit of my take here to make it sound unreasonable.  You do it literally every. single. time.  I've explained what I was saying literally a hundred times to you, and you simply don't listen, move on, and repeat the lie next time.

Trubisky, when I said it, WAS playing about as well as Mahomes over the previous three weeks, which as you know since you're being honest and not lying about my position, is exactly and specifically what I was talking to make a point about judging a dude's career potential on his first 15 games.

The goal was to win playoff games and eventually the Super Bowl. Anyone can trade for a great player with a rookie quarterback under contract. I could do that.
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