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Let's talk about something we all can agree on...

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Re: Let's talk about something we all can agree on...
« Reply #1260 on: December 12, 2023, 08:00:51 PM »
But the Chait article!

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Huh? Are you playing stupid? Chait pointed out universities have a problem because they have shielded the left from criticism.

We know that. It is a given been going on for decades. They have been ridiculed and cursed over it.

Does that mean Universities must now shield Israel from criticism and silence Palestinian supporters?

Or does it mean they should allow right wing jackasses to spew hatred and intolerance? 
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Re: Let's talk about something we all can agree on...
« Reply #1261 on: December 12, 2023, 08:16:49 PM »
Huh? Are you playing stupid? Chait pointed out universities have a problem because they have shielded the left from criticism.

We know that. It is a given been going on for decades. They have been ridiculed and cursed over it.

Does that mean Universities must now shield Israel from criticism and silence Palestinian supporters?

Or does it mean they should allow right wing jackasses to spew hatred and intolerance? 
That's a lot of words for the genocide of Jews is ok.

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Re: Let's talk about something we all can agree on...
« Reply #1262 on: December 12, 2023, 08:30:48 PM »
That's a lot of words for the genocide of Jews is ok.

Please cite examples of people on those college campuses explicitly advocating for the genocide of Jews.
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Re: Let's talk about something we all can agree on...
« Reply #1263 on: December 12, 2023, 08:39:18 PM »
CLAIM: Pro-Palestine rallies at UCLA, Penn and elsewhere are calling for “Jewish genocide.”

AP’S ASSESSMENT: False.
https://apnews.com/article/fact-check-israel-hamas-UCLA-Penn-genocide-057006125279
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Re: Let's talk about something we all can agree on...
« Reply #1264 on: December 12, 2023, 09:00:12 PM »
Shame all the mostly peaceful protesters of 2020 didn’t burn down the Ivy League colleges instead of the businesses of normal people trying to make a living
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Re: Let's talk about something we all can agree on...
« Reply #1265 on: December 12, 2023, 09:28:04 PM »
Please cite examples of people on those college campuses explicitly advocating for the genocide of Jews.
One more time. The question was whether or not university policy would prohibit calling for the genocide.
It's a simple question.

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Re: Let's talk about something we all can agree on...
« Reply #1266 on: December 12, 2023, 09:58:51 PM »
There is a difference between "Free speech" and Harassment.

"The Israelis, and by extension the jews, are baby killers! Free Palestine" - Free Speech

"You are a dumb fat fuck with a penis that dresses like a woman you queer" - Harrassment

Harvard is a private entity and does not have to offer enrollment or employment to someone who uses free speech in violation with their mission, code of conduct etc... That could be the space we are in here.

They have a legally required duty to protect students and employees from harassment. Sullivan makes a false equivalency.

Got it, you are fine with From the River to the Sea but not some academic who has contrary opinions on affirmative action, since the latter triggers some people and the former triggers others.

Because that is the space we are currently actually in, right?
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Re: Let's talk about something we all can agree on...
« Reply #1267 on: December 13, 2023, 08:07:09 AM »
CLAIM: Pro-Palestine rallies at UCLA, Penn and elsewhere are calling for “Jewish genocide.”

AP’S ASSESSMENT: False.
https://apnews.com/article/fact-check-israel-hamas-UCLA-Penn-genocide-057006125279
10 days later, your AP fact checker tweeted about another AP story that included ....
"This much is clear: Hamas fighters killed at least 1,200 people in Israel, ..."
and in the very next paragraph ...
"Hamas also hauled around 240 people back to Gaza as hostages in the worst violence against Jews since the Holocaust."

The attack included barbaric atrocities. Anyone who will not call it out for what it was has no credibility.
The 240 people were not hauled away. Trash gets hauled away. These people were kidnapped and many were murdered.

This is nothing less than the AP normalizing the atrocities.

https://apnews.com/article/river-sea-israel-gaza-hamas-protests-d7abbd756f481fe50b6fa5c0b907cd49?utm_campaign=TrueAnthem&utm_medium=AP&utm_source=Twitter

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Re: Let's talk about something we all can agree on...
« Reply #1268 on: December 13, 2023, 12:13:46 PM »
10 days later, your AP fact checker tweeted about another AP story that included ....
"This much is clear: Hamas fighters killed at least 1,200 people in Israel, ..."
and in the very next paragraph ...
"Hamas also hauled around 240 people back to Gaza as hostages in the worst violence against Jews since the Holocaust."

The attack included barbaric atrocities. Anyone who will not call it out for what it was has no credibility.
The 240 people were not hauled away. Trash gets hauled away. These people were kidnapped and many were murdered.

This is nothing less than the AP normalizing the atrocities.

https://apnews.com/article/river-sea-israel-gaza-hamas-protests-d7abbd756f481fe50b6fa5c0b907cd49?utm_campaign=TrueAnthem&utm_medium=AP&utm_source=Twitter

I'm so tired of this sort of nitpicking. "Words matter" but in this case, anyone going through the trouble of reading this article knows exactly what happened.

They killed the babies! NO - THEY THREW THE BABIES IN THE FIRE! AFTER RAPING THEM! In my world, killing the babies meets the bar, the methodology doesn't make it *more* important to respond. Like my gender, my view on responding to terrorism is binary. Terrorist attack? Respond. Done.

I think the most overused word in America these days is "Condemned". "Well, the President seems to have a problem with what happened, but why didn't he CONDEMN what happened!" People fall over each other to win the "biggest language competition" but don't actually work on the problems because they are so busy trying to be the person using the most forceful language, trying to find an even BETTER word to describe how overwrought they are.

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Re: Let's talk about something we all can agree on...
« Reply #1269 on: December 13, 2023, 12:15:00 PM »
I'm so tired of this sort of nitpicking. "Words matter" but in this case, anyone going through the trouble of reading this article knows exactly what happened.

They killed the babies! NO - THEY THREW THE BABIES IN THE FIRE! AFTER RAPING THEM! In my world, killing the babies meets the bar, the methodology doesn't make it *more* important to respond. Like my gender, my view on responding to terrorism is binary. Terrorist attack? Respond. Done.

I think the most overused word in America these days is "Condemned". "Well, the President seems to have a problem with what happened, but why didn't he CONDEMN what happened!" People fall over each other to win the "biggest language competition" but don't actually work on the problems because they are so busy trying to be the person using the most forceful language, trying to find an even BETTER word to describe how overwrought they are.

Ok.
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Re: Let's talk about something we all can agree on...
« Reply #1270 on: December 13, 2023, 12:52:50 PM »
One more time. The question was whether or not university policy would prohibit calling for the genocide.
It's a simple question.

Of course, nobody actually called for genocide of the Jews. Nor was it a hypothetical question. 

For example, Stephanik and others object to slogans that accuse Israel of genocide.

Also, 'from the river to the sea';  which some construe different ways.
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Re: Let's talk about something we all can agree on...
« Reply #1271 on: December 13, 2023, 12:54:06 PM »
I guess this wasn’t something we could all agree upon after all
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Re: Let's talk about something we all can agree on...
« Reply #1272 on: December 13, 2023, 12:55:43 PM »
I guess this wasn’t something we could all agree upon after all

Shocking. Nixon was a big fan of the Arabs.
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Re: Let's talk about something we all can agree on...
« Reply #1273 on: December 13, 2023, 12:59:11 PM »
Of course, nobody actually called for genocide of the Jews. Nor was it a hypothetical question. 

For example, Stephanik and others object to slogans that accuse Israel of genocide.

Also, 'from the river to the sea';  which some construe different ways.

If no one "actually" called for genocide, then how was it not a hypothetical question?
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Re: Let's talk about something we all can agree on...
« Reply #1274 on: December 13, 2023, 01:05:31 PM »
Got it, you are fine with From the River to the Sea but not some academic who has contrary opinions on affirmative action, since the latter triggers some people and the former triggers others.

Because that is the space we are currently actually in, right?

"in the same article for which Dr. Abbot received backlash, he also argued for dismantling ... athletic scholarships"

https://kenyoncollegian.com/opinion/2021/10/mit-made-the-wrong-call-by-disinviting-guest-speaker/

The guy is clearly a nut job. /s
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