WTF did Trump do to the stock market?

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Re: WTF did Trump do to the stock market?

« Reply #165 on: March 28, 2020, 09:36:14 PM »

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China sucks, but the U.S, EU and other industrialized countries also need to ramp up efforts to reduce carbon emissions. It looks like the world is behind in meeting the emission reduction targets set in the 2015 Paris climate agreement.

https://www.sciencenews.org/article/united-nations-climate-report-finds-countries-urgently-need-reduce-emissions

We should have nuked those fuckers when we had the chance. Thanks Truman and Eisenhower!

And then stupid Nixon let a 19-year old hippie ping-pong player thaw our cold war relations with China in the 70s. Just think if the Bamboo Curtain was still in place today; the Wuhan Virus wouldn’t have spread here.

Fuckin' Nixon caused the spread of the Virus. Guy is still an assmunch.

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Re: WTF did Trump do to the stock market?

« Reply #166 on: March 29, 2020, 04:57:04 PM »

Quote from: Custard on March 28, 2020, 05:54:48 PM

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Does the climate care where the CO2 comes from? 🥴

No. But it's easier to get someone with X amount of emissions to cut them in half, than it is to get someone with X/2 amount of emissions to cut them in half.

China should just cut the country into six pieces and say "OK, your move USA"

We’ve got 50 pieces plus Puerto Rico

Sweet. We are not longer the world leader in COVID cases. Checkmate, Libs!

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Custard

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Re: WTF did Trump do to the stock market?

« Reply #167 on: March 29, 2020, 06:52:38 PM »

I’d imagine the confirmed cases of COVID-19 in a given nation strongly correlate with the amount of testing being done. That’s good right?

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Miniditka

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Re: WTF did Trump do to the stock market?

« Reply #168 on: March 29, 2020, 09:58:32 PM »

Quote from: Custard on March 29, 2020, 06:52:38 PM

I’d imagine the confirmed cases of COVID-19 in a given nation strongly correlate with the amount of testing being done. That’s good right?

It also correlates with the number of people who actually have Covid-19.

China tested lots of people. We haven’t (assuming of course that you believe China’s reported numbers). Korea tested lots of people. We still have more confirmed cases than either of them, and I’d bet our number of actual cases is at least 3x the number of confirmed cases.

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Custard

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Re: WTF did Trump do to the stock market?

« Reply #169 on: March 29, 2020, 10:35:05 PM »

Probably more than 3x maybe more like 10x

Awhile ago we were doing the per capita thing. Does that only apply to emissions or do we need to take that into account for covid-19 cases?

Maybe national vs per capita cases only matter depending on what side of the argument one is on?

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Re: WTF did Trump do to the stock market?

« Reply #170 on: March 30, 2020, 08:14:52 AM »

Quote from: Custard on March 29, 2020, 10:35:05 PM

Probably more than 3x maybe more like 10x

Awhile ago we were doing the per capita thing. Does that only apply to emissions or do we need to take that into account for covid-19 cases?

Maybe national vs per capita cases only matter depending on what side of the argument one is on?

From the Acadiana Advocate yesterday afternoon.
"Louisiana is second in the country for deaths per capita and third in the country for cases per capita."

Louisiana has tested 3500, 150 have died, 380 on ventilators. La positive test rate is 13%.
By comparison, NJ has tested over 13000 with 160 deaths. NJ positive test rate is at 38%.
If La tested 4x as many people as currently, the death toll is still the same as NJ.
NJ population is essentially twice that of La.
I don't understand the fascination with testing as opposed to preventing transmission.

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ridingthegrange

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Re: WTF did Trump do to the stock market?

« Reply #171 on: March 30, 2020, 08:29:39 AM »

Gotta agree with this. # of fatals is a much more solid number. # tested won't mean much statistically until we get closer to testing all. It does serve to indicate hot spots, trends and mitigation in the interim.

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Re: WTF did Trump do to the stock market?

« Reply #172 on: March 30, 2020, 10:34:52 AM »

And this morning out of NOLA. A woman in her 30's who, according to newspaper headlines, died as a result of coronavirus has had 2 test results come back negative. Test results were not yet available when she passed away.

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Miniditka

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Re: WTF did Trump do to the stock market?

« Reply #173 on: March 30, 2020, 11:35:03 AM »

Quote from: Custard on March 29, 2020, 10:35:05 PM

Probably more than 3x maybe more like 10x

Awhile ago we were doing the per capita thing. Does that only apply to emissions or do we need to take that into account for covid-19 cases?

Maybe national vs per capita cases only matter depending on what side of the argument one is on?

I think the fact that some see it as an “argument” is part of the problem in the first place. It’s facts and data.

To me, the whole “confirmed cases is a function of testing” argument is simply an attempt to cast the President in a better light when the number of confirmed cases shoots up. It’s foreshadowing Fox News’ coverage strategy, which will be, “The numbers aren’t shooting up because the disease is out of control, it’s just because we have more tests now.” In reality, it’s both, and anyone who doesn’t acknowledge that because it’s politically useful (on either side) should be ashamed.

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ILLove1997

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Re: WTF did Trump do to the stock market?

« Reply #174 on: March 30, 2020, 11:45:55 AM »

well Dr. Birx started the whole "confirmed cases is a function of testing thing" so take it up with her

anyone else find it interesting that only 7% of people that get tested wind up testing positive for covid19? pretty much nation wide its this 7% number

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alum74

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Re: WTF did Trump do to the stock market?

« Reply #175 on: March 30, 2020, 01:40:26 PM »

Quote from: Mn on March 30, 2020, 08:14:52 AM

Quote from: Custard on March 29, 2020, 10:35:05 PM
Probably more than 3x maybe more like 10x

Awhile ago we were doing the per capita thing. Does that only apply to emissions or do we need to take that into account for covid-19 cases?

Maybe national vs per capita cases only matter depending on what side of the argument one is on?

From the Acadiana Advocate yesterday afternoon.
"Louisiana is second in the country for deaths per capita and third in the country for cases per capita."

Louisiana has tested 3500, 150 have died, 380 on ventilators. La positive test rate is 13%.
By comparison, NJ has tested over 13000 with 160 deaths. NJ positive test rate is at 38%.
If La tested 4x as many people as currently, the death toll is still the same as NJ.
NJ population is essentially twice that of La.
I don't understand the fascination with testing as opposed to preventing transmission.

I don't think there is a "fascination" with testing. Early on public health officials and the medical community said we must ramp up testing capacity (and not just in the US) if we want to better understand and slow down the spread of the disease. We were warned by the WHO that the tests are not perfect and that sometimes people who have the disease will be wrongly told they do not. WHO also said there would be a positive correlation between tests performed and cases confirmed. And per capita data (or tests per million people) helps us understand the scope of the testing being conducted.

Dr. Birx recently told NPR the U.S is still prioritizing sick people, symptomatic first responders and people in nursing homes for testing. She said a new test that could speed things up was just granted "emergency-use authorization" by the FDA and will be rolled out soon. It can provide results in under 15 minutes, instead of days. The hope is the new test will allow more widespread testing, which will provide more accurate data on who is getting infected and where.

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murphstahoe

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Re: WTF did Trump do to the stock market?

« Reply #176 on: March 30, 2020, 02:16:34 PM »

Quote from: Mn on March 30, 2020, 10:34:52 AM

And this morning out of NOLA. A woman in her 30's who, according to newspaper headlines, died as a result of coronavirus has had 2 test results come back negative. Test results were not yet available when she passed away.

If the test results came back negative, how do we know she died of Coronavirus.... n'est pas?

The most important function - my view - of testing is to inform isolation and quarantine. Someone working in a grocery store tests positive, you know to keep them out of work and isolated.

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Custard

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Re: WTF did Trump do to the stock market?

« Reply #177 on: March 30, 2020, 02:28:45 PM »

Quote from: Miniditka on March 30, 2020, 11:35:03 AM

Quote from: Custard on March 29, 2020, 10:35:05 PM
Probably more than 3x maybe more like 10x

Awhile ago we were doing the per capita thing. Does that only apply to emissions or do we need to take that into account for covid-19 cases?

Maybe national vs per capita cases only matter depending on what side of the argument one is on?
I think the fact that some see it as an “argument” is part of the problem in the first place. It’s facts and data.

To me, the whole “confirmed cases is a function of testing” argument is simply an attempt to cast the President in a better light when the number of confirmed cases shoots up. It’s foreshadowing Fox News’ coverage strategy, which will be, “The numbers aren’t shooting up because the disease is out of control, it’s just because we have more tests now.” In reality, it’s both, and anyone who doesn’t acknowledge that because it’s politically useful (on either side) should be ashamed.

I have no interest in protecting trump or a Fox News agenda. I don’t consume their media. I came to a conclusion based on what I feel is a common sense notion that during a pandemic new cases are going to skyrocket once massively increased testing is implemented. Especially when the asymptomatic start getting tested. My neighbor across and down the road works in a hospital. He was exposed to a patient with Covid-19 and was asked to self quarantine at home. His wife works at an local equipment manufacturer. Once her husband was quarantined then she and the kids were quarantined to their home and the business sent everyone that may have been around her to work from home. So now he’s been tested as an asymptomatic proxy. That wasn’t happening until recently. People imo really shouldn’t be so focused on confirmed cases so much as percentage of people who actually have serious symptoms, mortality rate, hospitalization rate, etc.

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Re: WTF did Trump do to the stock market?

« Reply #178 on: March 30, 2020, 03:41:32 PM »

Quote from: murphstahoe on March 30, 2020, 02:16:34 PM

Quote from: Mn on March 30, 2020, 10:34:52 AM
And this morning out of NOLA. A woman in her 30's who, according to newspaper headlines, died as a result of coronavirus has had 2 test results come back negative. Test results were not yet available when she passed away.

If the test results came back negative, how do we know she died of Coronavirus.... n'est pas?

The most important function - my view - of testing is to inform isolation and quarantine. Someone working in a grocery store tests positive, you know to keep them out of work and isolated.
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The newspaper came to the conclusion that she died of coronavirus.
Right, someone tests positive and they should be quarantined. And backtrack that person's contacts, and their contacts etc for further quarantine possibilities. Until adequate test kits are available, we don't need to test everybody.

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Miniditka

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Re: WTF did Trump do to the stock market?

« Reply #179 on: March 30, 2020, 03:56:32 PM »

Quote from: Custard on March 30, 2020, 02:28:45 PM

Quote from: Miniditka on March 30, 2020, 11:35:03 AM
Quote from: Custard on March 29, 2020, 10:35:05 PM
Probably more than 3x maybe more like 10x

Awhile ago we were doing the per capita thing. Does that only apply to emissions or do we need to take that into account for covid-19 cases?

Maybe national vs per capita cases only matter depending on what side of the argument one is on?
I think the fact that some see it as an “argument” is part of the problem in the first place. It’s facts and data.

To me, the whole “confirmed cases is a function of testing” argument is simply an attempt to cast the President in a better light when the number of confirmed cases shoots up. It’s foreshadowing Fox News’ coverage strategy, which will be, “The numbers aren’t shooting up because the disease is out of control, it’s just because we have more tests now.” In reality, it’s both, and anyone who doesn’t acknowledge that because it’s politically useful (on either side) should be ashamed.

I have no interest in protecting trump or a Fox News agenda. I don’t consume their media. I came to a conclusion based on what I feel is a common sense notion that during a pandemic new cases are going to skyrocket once massively increased testing is implemented. Especially when the asymptomatic start getting tested. My neighbor across and down the road works in a hospital. He was exposed to a patient with Covid-19 and was asked to self quarantine at home. His wife works at an local equipment manufacturer. Once her husband was quarantined then she and the kids were quarantined to their home and the business sent everyone that may have been around her to work from home. So now he’s been tested as an asymptomatic proxy. That wasn’t happening until recently. People imo really shouldn’t be so focused on confirmed cases so much as percentage of people who actually have serious symptoms, mortality rate, hospitalization rate, etc.

I think your conclusion is correct, I’m just explaining how the right wing media is going to cast it. They are going to say that the increased number of cases is solely a result of increased testing, and that the number of cases isn’t increasing very fast.

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