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Re: WTF did Trump do to the stock market?
« Reply #105 on: March 24, 2020, 05:07:11 PM »
Quote from: Custard on March 24, 2020, 02:01:17 PM
Who is saying fuck grandma/die Boomer?

The Lt Governor of Texas.

His statement was just great - "If I get it, I'll take care of myself and try to get better". But trying to get better for a 70 year old may involve a ventilator. We haven't started rationing them yet, but that's the path we would be headed towards without mitigation. But that guy's rugged individualism would vanish pretty damn quick as he'd be trying to override doctors who tell him that given his age and co-morbidities, he doesn't pass muster for a ventilator and will be on comfort care only in order to treat more likely survivors.
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Re: WTF did Trump do to the stock market?
« Reply #106 on: March 24, 2020, 05:08:28 PM »
Quote from: ThePAMan on March 24, 2020, 04:52:40 PM
Quote from: illiniray on March 24, 2020, 04:35:08 PM
Quote from: Custard on March 24, 2020, 11:07:07 AM
I’m not convinced such a catastrophe would happen if things were to return to quasi normal come April 1.

 A friend and I were saying it well before I saw anyone else mention it—in reality it only severely affects a limited number of people. I

THat's the real issue, the total number who experience symptoms severe enough to require hospitalization. The experts are looking the numbers they have; hospitalization rates of 12 to 20%.  Compared to .8 to 2% or less for the flu.

It's higher for certain at risk groups, but ... "As of March 16, in the United States ... ... Among (12% [rate]) ... patients known to have been hospitalized, ... 17% were aged 55–64 years, 18% were 45–54 years, 20% were aged 20–44 years ..."
https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/69/wr/mm6912e2.htm?s_cid=mm6912e2_w

That's a 12% hospitalization rate and over half are under 55. Other than children, there is no safe group, though some children will experience severe symptoms.

Fuck grandma, the Boomers, the Millenials, Gen Z, Gen X, Gen Y? Anyone else?
Is the CCP off limits ? Asking for a friend.
Italy case #1 was released from the hospital after 1 month. 38 years old.
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Re: WTF did Trump do to the stock market?
« Reply #107 on: March 24, 2020, 05:13:12 PM »
Quote from: illiniray on March 24, 2020, 04:35:08 PM
Quote from: Custard on March 24, 2020, 11:07:07 AM
I’m not convinced such a catastrophe would happen if things were to return to quasi normal come April 1.

 A friend and I were saying it well before I saw anyone else mention it—in reality it only severely affects a limited number of people. I

THat's the real issue, the total number who experience symptoms severe enough to require hospitalization. The experts are looking the numbers they have; hospitalization rates of 12 to 20%.  Compared to .8 to 2% for the flu.

It's higher for certain at risk groups, but ... "As of March 16, in the United States ... ... Among (12% [rate]) ... patients known to have been hospitalized, ... 17% were aged 55–64 years, 18% were 45–54 years, 20% were aged 20–44 years ..."
https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/69/wr/mm6912e2.htm?s_cid=mm6912e2_w

That's a 12% hospitalization rate and over half are under 55. Other than children, there is no safe group, though some children will experience severe symptoms.

The result of this would be like what we saw in Puerto Rico. Sure, only a couple hundred died in the storm, but then thousands die because there is no electricity. That means those deaths were due to .. the storm. Because no storm, no power outage.

If we turn the hospitals into a mash tent because we've allowed so many to get sick, what happpens to you when you get into a car wreck and need trauma care? There's no room for you, and the surgeon is in the ICU being treated.

That's where the Lt Gov fails in his analysis, not mitigating corona will basically put our entire health care system on halt. What happens to high risk childbirths? Major urgent orthopedic issues. Standard issue heart failure?
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Re: WTF did Trump do to the stock market?
« Reply #108 on: March 24, 2020, 05:57:54 PM »
Quote from: Mn on March 24, 2020, 05:08:28 PM
Quote from: ThePAMan on March 24, 2020, 04:52:40 PM
Quote from: illiniray on March 24, 2020, 04:35:08 PM
Quote from: Custard on March 24, 2020, 11:07:07 AM
I’m not convinced such a catastrophe would happen if things were to return to quasi normal come April 1.

 A friend and I were saying it well before I saw anyone else mention it—in reality it only severely affects a limited number of people. I

THat's the real issue, the total number who experience symptoms severe enough to require hospitalization. The experts are looking the numbers they have; hospitalization rates of 12 to 20%.  Compared to .8 to 2% or less for the flu.

It's higher for certain at risk groups, but ... "As of March 16, in the United States ... ... Among (12% [rate]) ... patients known to have been hospitalized, ... 17% were aged 55–64 years, 18% were 45–54 years, 20% were aged 20–44 years ..."
https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/69/wr/mm6912e2.htm?s_cid=mm6912e2_w

That's a 12% hospitalization rate and over half are under 55. Other than children, there is no safe group, though some children will experience severe symptoms.

Fuck grandma, the Boomers, the Millenials, Gen Z, Gen X, Gen Y? Anyone else?
Is the CCP off limits ? Asking for a friend.
Italy case #1 was released from the hospital after 1 month. 38 years old.

We'll triage sick CCP members if they are here too. :)

So Italy's case # 1 got treated in a hospital?  They wound up in a position where some elderly patients were denied treatment. Idiots like Bill Mitchell actually blamed that on Italy's "socialized medicine." Who / what will they blame if social distancing is too little too late and we have to resort to triaging in NYC, LA, and elsewhere?  The CCP?

Someone somewhere suggested the Chinese have learned from Israel -- treat any criticism of their government as an ethnic slur. Just as Trump interprets  any hard questions from the media as personal attacks.  In the end, Trumpian blame shifting / credit taking /posturing is shallow, a waste of time, and is not going to mitigate the covid-19 crisis. 
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Re: WTF did Trump do to the stock market?
« Reply #109 on: March 24, 2020, 06:16:16 PM »
Quote from: ThePAMan on March 24, 2020, 02:37:30 PM
Quote from: Custard on March 24, 2020, 02:15:23 PM
Let the scientists and professionals tell us what to do, blah blah blah.

I noticed Kelly Loeffler was brought up here the other day.

Two months ago today members of Congress were briefed about the corona virus situation. Some of those members, like Kelly, started unloading millions of dollars worth of shares that would be hurt by a stock market collapse. Some then bought into stocks that would be directly benefitted by this situation!!! Golly what a coincidence!

This current situation wasn’t a result of improper planning or testing or anything else, they knew Americans were going to be sheltering in place and working from home 2+ months ago FFS. And that’s just the people being briefed. The people briefing them...how long did they know before the senators knew, and what did they know, exactly?

But go ahead and believe your flavor of talking heads on TV and identity politics like the good loyal subjects you are.



Who here has approved of what she, and the other senators, did?

You’re missing the entire point. Two months ago people in the know made huge financial moves because they knew this was going to be the outcome. Given the amount of time since then and the eventual lockdown, it’s almost like...someone wanted this outcome.
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Re: WTF did Trump do to the stock market?
« Reply #110 on: March 24, 2020, 06:22:41 PM »
Quote from: murphstahoe on March 24, 2020, 04:59:26 PM
Quote from: Custard on March 23, 2020, 08:50:49 PM
And the mortality rate is hovering around 1% and will continue to drop as more and more lightly symptomatic or asymptomatic people are tested. Germany (where a lot more tests have been administered) has a much lower mortality rate. One that will likely mirror ours once our testing continues to get ramped up. This shit has been here literally for months.

The more the media panics everyone the more every person that gets a sniffle or a cough is going to get a test for covid 19 or going to the ER and tying up precious medical resources. All for basically a slightly stronger version of the flu.

And I’m seriously gonna be pissed if this ends up being less severe than H1N1.

Coronavirus death toll has already surpassed H1N1, so that's a pretty "Trumpian" statement.



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Re: WTF did Trump do to the stock market?
« Reply #111 on: March 24, 2020, 06:43:04 PM »
Quote from: ThePAMan on March 24, 2020, 02:39:11 PM
Quote from: Custard on March 24, 2020, 02:01:17 PM
Quote from: ThePAMan on March 24, 2020, 01:19:26 PM
Quote from: Custard on March 24, 2020, 11:07:07 AM
It’s already been out there and has been circulating and didn’t cause a rash of irregular deaths, and the primary reason cases are skyrocketing is that more tests are being performed.

What is an irregular death? No one knows who has what if there are no tests and people are asymptomatic. The tests just confirm that someone has it right then and there. It neither b
Negates nor confirms that there are people out there who have no idea whether they have it or not spreading it to someone who it may wind up killing.

The point is that we do not want the healthcare system to be overwhelmed.

China closed for, what, months? We can't do 15 days? So we've gone from concerns over "death panels" to "fuck grandma/die Boomer!' in 10 years?

A rash of deaths in an area(s) that doesn’t correspond to normal seasonal illness. Or point to a new localized epidemic.

I’m quite familiar with “flattening the curve”

Who is saying fuck grandma/die Boomer?

The Lt. Gov. of Texas did, didn't he?

I think this explains why I've been getting the evil eye from some of my neighbors the last day or so.  It's like I'm being measured for a coffin. 
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Re: WTF did Trump do to the stock market?
« Reply #112 on: March 24, 2020, 06:53:06 PM »
Quote from: illiniray on March 24, 2020, 05:57:54 PM
Quote from: Mn on March 24, 2020, 05:08:28 PM
Quote from: ThePAMan on March 24, 2020, 04:52:40 PM
Quote from: illiniray on March 24, 2020, 04:35:08 PM
Quote from: Custard on March 24, 2020, 11:07:07 AM
I’m not convinced such a catastrophe would happen if things were to return to quasi normal come April 1.

 A friend and I were saying it well before I saw anyone else mention it—in reality it only severely affects a limited number of people. I

THat's the real issue, the total number who experience symptoms severe enough to require hospitalization. The experts are looking the numbers they have; hospitalization rates of 12 to 20%.  Compared to .8 to 2% or less for the flu.

It's higher for certain at risk groups, but ... "As of March 16, in the United States ... ... Among (12% [rate]) ... patients known to have been hospitalized, ... 17% were aged 55–64 years, 18% were 45–54 years, 20% were aged 20–44 years ..."
https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/69/wr/mm6912e2.htm?s_cid=mm6912e2_w

That's a 12% hospitalization rate and over half are under 55. Other than children, there is no safe group, though some children will experience severe symptoms.

Fuck grandma, the Boomers, the Millenials, Gen Z, Gen X, Gen Y? Anyone else?
Is the CCP off limits ? Asking for a friend.
Italy case #1 was released from the hospital after 1 month. 38 years old.

We'll triage sick CCP members if they are here too. :)

So Italy's case # 1 got treated in a hospital?  They wound up in a position where some elderly patients were denied treatment. Idiots like Bill Mitchell actually blamed that on Italy's "socialized medicine." Who / what will they blame if social distancing is too little too late and we have to resort to triaging in NYC, LA, and elsewhere?  The CCP?

Someone somewhere suggested the Chinese have learned from Israel -- treat any criticism of their government as an ethnic slur. Just as Trump interprets  any hard questions from the media as personal attacks.  In the end, Trumpian blame shifting / credit taking /posturing is shallow, a waste of time, and is not going to mitigate the covid-19 crisis.

Italy #1 must have gotten lucky and stuck his foot in the door early, and stayed.
We would treat the CCP. That's who we are.
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Re: WTF did Trump do to the stock market?
« Reply #113 on: March 24, 2020, 06:59:31 PM »
Quote from: alum74 on March 24, 2020, 06:43:04 PM
Quote from: ThePAMan on March 24, 2020, 02:39:11 PM
Quote from: Custard on March 24, 2020, 02:01:17 PM
Quote from: ThePAMan on March 24, 2020, 01:19:26 PM
Quote from: Custard on March 24, 2020, 11:07:07 AM
It’s already been out there and has been circulating and didn’t cause a rash of irregular deaths, and the primary reason cases are skyrocketing is that more tests are being performed.

What is an irregular death? No one knows who has what if there are no tests and people are asymptomatic. The tests just confirm that someone has it right then and there. It neither b
Negates nor confirms that there are people out there who have no idea whether they have it or not spreading it to someone who it may wind up killing.

The point is that we do not want the healthcare system to be overwhelmed.

China closed for, what, months? We can't do 15 days? So we've gone from concerns over "death panels" to "fuck grandma/die Boomer!' in 10 years?

A rash of deaths in an area(s) that doesn’t correspond to normal seasonal illness. Or point to a new localized epidemic.

I’m quite familiar with “flattening the curve”

Who is saying fuck grandma/die Boomer?

The Lt. Gov. of Texas did, didn't he?

I think this explains why I've been getting the evil eye from some of my neighbors the last day or so.  It's like I'm being measured for a coffin.

I haven't noticed that problem yet, but haven't been out much.
I did have a Warren Spahn baseball card. Maybe 60 years ago.
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Re: WTF did Trump do to the stock market?
« Reply #114 on: March 24, 2020, 07:56:34 PM »
Quote from: Mn on March 24, 2020, 06:59:31 PM
Quote from: alum74 on March 24, 2020, 06:43:04 PM
Quote from: ThePAMan on March 24, 2020, 02:39:11 PM
Quote from: Custard on March 24, 2020, 02:01:17 PM
Quote from: ThePAMan on March 24, 2020, 01:19:26 PM
Quote from: Custard on March 24, 2020, 11:07:07 AM
It’s already been out there and has been circulating and didn’t cause a rash of irregular deaths, and the primary reason cases are skyrocketing is that more tests are being performed.

What is an irregular death? No one knows who has what if there are no tests and people are asymptomatic. The tests just confirm that someone has it right then and there. It neither b
Negates nor confirms that there are people out there who have no idea whether they have it or not spreading it to someone who it may wind up killing.

The point is that we do not want the healthcare system to be overwhelmed.

China closed for, what, months? We can't do 15 days? So we've gone from concerns over "death panels" to "fuck grandma/die Boomer!' in 10 years?

A rash of deaths in an area(s) that doesn’t correspond to normal seasonal illness. Or point to a new localized epidemic.

I’m quite familiar with “flattening the curve”

Who is saying fuck grandma/die Boomer?

The Lt. Gov. of Texas did, didn't he?

I think this explains why I've been getting the evil eye from some of my neighbors the last day or so.  It's like I'm being measured for a coffin.

I haven't noticed that problem yet, but haven't been out much.
I did have a Warren Spahn baseball card. Maybe 60 years ago.

Loved Spahnie’s very high leg kick in his delivery.  Here’s an interesting tidbit about him that you may relate to.   Remember Combat!, the great WW2 TV show?   Spahn had a cameo as a German soldier in a 1963 episode.   



 
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Re: WTF did Trump do to the stock market?
« Reply #115 on: March 24, 2020, 09:28:12 PM »
Quote from: Custard on March 24, 2020, 06:16:16 PM
You’re missing the entire point. Two months ago people in the know made huge financial moves because they knew this was going to be the outcome. Given the amount of time since then and the eventual lockdown, it’s almost like...someone wanted this outcome.

While recent evidence shows that people who could pull this off are actually very stupid, one would hope that the illuminati wouldn't wager their life on making a few bucks. If Chris Collins and Duncan Hunter didn't think they'd get caught, maybe these guys think they won't get sick.

Especially since they were making plenty of money just front running Trump's tweets
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Re: WTF did Trump do to the stock market?
« Reply #116 on: March 24, 2020, 09:40:45 PM »
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Quote from: ThePAMan on March 24, 2020, 02:37:30 PM
Quote from: Custard on March 24, 2020, 02:15:23 PM
Let the scientists and professionals tell us what to do, blah blah blah.

I noticed Kelly Loeffler was brought up here the other day.

Two months ago today members of Congress were briefed about the corona virus situation. Some of those members, like Kelly, started unloading millions of dollars worth of shares that would be hurt by a stock market collapse. Some then bought into stocks that would be directly benefitted by this situation!!! Golly what a coincidence!

This current situation wasn’t a result of improper planning or testing or anything else, they knew Americans were going to be sheltering in place and working from home 2+ months ago FFS. And that’s just the people being briefed. The people briefing them...how long did they know before the senators knew, and what did they know, exactly?

But go ahead and believe your flavor of talking heads on TV and identity politics like the good loyal subjects you are.



Who here has approved of what she, and the other senators, did?

You’re missing the entire point. Two months ago people in the know made huge financial moves because they knew this was going to be the outcome. Given the amount of time since then and the eventual lockdown, it’s almost like...someone wanted this outcome.

Or they just knew what was going to happen based on what they were told AND we were seeing what happened in China?

I may not like what Burr, Feinstein, etc. did, but I don't think they WANTED this to happen and FORCED it to happen. Seems rather conspiratorial and we know those boobs are pretty incompetent.
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« Reply #117 on: March 24, 2020, 09:54:42 PM »
Who ever said they wanted it to happen or forced it? The info was brought to them by others. They just knew it was going to happen, and like most people who want to safeguard their wealth, they safeguarded their wealth. Illegally, sure. But that visceral reaction is one we can all relate to.

You seemingly understand that they knew what was going to happen, but yet you are tacitly defending them for not blowing the whistle on a global pandemic that would destroy the world economy for at least some time, result in thousands of deaths, and cause the lowest wage earners in the entire developed world to be living hand to mouth inside of two weeks?

If they knew what was happening in China and what we’d be facing here in 1.5-2 months (which they clearly did based on their actions) then why didn’t they act to prevent the outcome? Maybe because they wagered heavily in favor of the outcome we are seeing now? And why would you wager heavily in favor of any outcome? I’m not much of a gambler, but I do know smart gamblers always take a sure bet when they see it. 

Just food for thought.
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Re: WTF did Trump do to the stock market?
« Reply #118 on: March 24, 2020, 10:10:12 PM »
Quote from: alum74 on March 24, 2020, 07:56:34 PM
Quote from: Mn on March 24, 2020, 06:59:31 PM
Quote from: alum74 on March 24, 2020, 06:43:04 PM
Quote from: ThePAMan on March 24, 2020, 02:39:11 PM
Quote from: Custard on March 24, 2020, 02:01:17 PM
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Quote from: Custard on March 24, 2020, 11:07:07 AM
It’s already been out there and has been circulating and didn’t cause a rash of irregular deaths, and the primary reason cases are skyrocketing is that more tests are being performed.

What is an irregular death? No one knows who has what if there are no tests and people are asymptomatic. The tests just confirm that someone has it right then and there. It neither b
Negates nor confirms that there are people out there who have no idea whether they have it or not spreading it to someone who it may wind up killing.

The point is that we do not want the healthcare system to be overwhelmed.

China closed for, what, months? We can't do 15 days? So we've gone from concerns over "death panels" to "fuck grandma/die Boomer!' in 10 years?

A rash of deaths in an area(s) that doesn’t correspond to normal seasonal illness. Or point to a new localized epidemic.

I’m quite familiar with “flattening the curve”

Who is saying fuck grandma/die Boomer?

The Lt. Gov. of Texas did, didn't he?

I think this explains why I've been getting the evil eye from some of my neighbors the last day or so.  It's like I'm being measured for a coffin.

I haven't noticed that problem yet, but haven't been out much.
I did have a Warren Spahn baseball card. Maybe 60 years ago.

Loved Spahnie’s very high leg kick in his delivery.  Here’s an interesting tidbit about him that you may relate to.   Remember Combat!, the great WW2 TV show?   Spahn had a cameo as a German soldier in a 1963 episode.
I do. My Mom didn't want us sneaking downstairs to watch it. The crew that took over my Dad's plane went MIA over Germany on their first combat run. Didn't know about Spahn tho.
Their talk, and my grandmother's talk, about the depression have me thinking we don't need another depression.
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Re: WTF did Trump do to the stock market?
« Reply #119 on: March 24, 2020, 10:12:28 PM »
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Quote from: Custard on March 24, 2020, 06:16:16 PM
You’re missing the entire point. Two months ago people in the know made huge financial moves because they knew this was going to be the outcome. Given the amount of time since then and the eventual lockdown, it’s almost like...someone wanted this outcome.

While recent evidence shows that people who could pull this off are actually very stupid, one would hope that the illuminati wouldn't wager their life on making a few bucks. If Chris Collins and Duncan Hunter didn't think they'd get caught, maybe these guys think they won't get sick.

Especially since they were making plenty of money just front running Trump's tweets

Come on man Chris Collins and Duncan Hunter are the equivalent of NEMO State getting probation because Kansas or Kentucky paid recruits.

It’s kinda funny that most of the left complains about politicians being paid spokesmen for their corporate masters but then at other times seems to think they actually represent the proletariat and make the rules as if they’re operating autonomously. I’m just not sure how people delude themselves into that double standard. 🤷🏻‍♂️
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