WTF did Trump do to the stock market?

illinicalvin

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Re: WTF did Trump do to the stock market?

« Reply #210 on: April 04, 2020, 01:44:43 PM »

Quote from: fucking on April 03, 2020, 06:41:49 PM

I think you're overestimating Kemp's intelligence. I think it's perfectly possible that he's just that stupid.

Ockham's Razor, def.

I think the acceleration rate is both testing more and natural exposure disease progression. It's very hard to rule out the latter when it is essentially what was predicted by the models. We still have a testing lag but given that we're now 2 weeks post-shit-hitting that new cases are organic disease transmission and not just lagging on test results. We'll see what happens in the next week or two.

Anecdotally, it seems to not be hitting warmer/drier places as hard, so hopefully it will thaw and we can build immunity over the summer while the burden on ERs and ICUs is eased. But JFC Florida.

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ThePAMan

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Re: WTF did Trump do to the stock market?

« Reply #211 on: April 04, 2020, 02:43:47 PM »

https://finance.yahoo.com/news/hell-coming-sold-national-security-163655629.html

Custard, apparently people were listening to this person...

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alum74

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Re: WTF did Trump do to the stock market?

« Reply #212 on: April 04, 2020, 04:02:43 PM »

Quote from: illinicalvin on April 04, 2020, 01:44:43 PM

Quote from: fucking on April 03, 2020, 06:41:49 PM
I think you're overestimating Kemp's intelligence. I think it's perfectly possible that he's just that stupid.
Ockham's Razor, def.

I think the acceleration rate is both testing more and natural exposure disease progression. It's very hard to rule out the latter when it is essentially what was predicted by the models. We still have a testing lag but given that we're now 2 weeks post-shit-hitting that new cases are organic disease transmission and not just lagging on test results. We'll see what happens in the next week or two.

Anecdotally, it seems to not be hitting warmer/drier places as hard, so hopefully it will thaw and we can build immunity over the summer while the burden on ERs and ICUs is eased. But JFC Florida.

You might want to keep an eye on this study:

Utah scientists awarded grant to study coronavirus amid rising number of Utah cases
https://www.deseret.com/utah/2020/3/19/21186880/u-scientists-awarded-grant-study-coronavirus-covid19-utahns-numbers

And here's an interesting proposal for "crushing" the curve. It would require quarantining our Idiot-in-Chief (and Jared) indefinitely and appointing a czar to lead the country's coronavirus response efforts.

Instead of just flattening the COVID-19 curve, can we 'crush' it?
https://www.livescience.com/can-covid-19-be-crushed.html

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No one in Mn

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Re: WTF did Trump do to the stock market?

« Reply #213 on: April 05, 2020, 09:25:34 AM »

Friday.
"Mayor Bill de Blasio rejected WNYC host Brian Lehrer’s claim that the U.S. knew “weeks and months ago that asymptomatic people can spread this disease,” and instead suggested this fact was only discovered “in the last 48 hours.”

“The city’s position used to be that healthy people don’t need masks because they’re not very effective at preventing the virus from coming in, they’re mostly from keeping you from spreading it, so explain this new recommendation,” Lehrer said.

“Exactly, it’s still the fundamental truth, so we have, you know, a renowned health department here in New York City… only in the last really 48 hours or so do they feel they’ve seen evidence around the world, particularly a new study coming out of Singapore, that shows more evidence that this disease can be spread by asymptomatic people,” de Blasio responded.
When Lehrer asked, “Didn’t we know weeks and months ago that asymptomatic people can spread this disease?” The mayor insisted we did not.

“No, the fact is I’ve been at so many press conferences where our top doctors for New York City addressed this and they said ‘we just didn’t have evidence from all the global medical community that was studying this issue,” de Blasio told Lehrer. “There was suspicion, but there was not evidence.”

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ThePAMan

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Re: WTF did Trump do to the stock market?

« Reply #214 on: April 05, 2020, 12:20:06 PM »

Quote from: Mn on April 05, 2020, 09:25:34 AM

Friday.
"Mayor Bill de Blasio rejected WNYC host Brian Lehrer’s claim that the U.S. knew “weeks and months ago that asymptomatic people can spread this disease,” and instead suggested this fact was only discovered “in the last 48 hours.”

“The city’s position used to be that healthy people don’t need masks because they’re not very effective at preventing the virus from coming in, they’re mostly from keeping you from spreading it, so explain this new recommendation,” Lehrer said.

“Exactly, it’s still the fundamental truth, so we have, you know, a renowned health department here in New York City… only in the last really 48 hours or so do they feel they’ve seen evidence around the world, particularly a new study coming out of Singapore, that shows more evidence that this disease can be spread by asymptomatic people,” de Blasio responded.
When Lehrer asked, “Didn’t we know weeks and months ago that asymptomatic people can spread this disease?” The mayor insisted we did not.

“No, the fact is I’ve been at so many press conferences where our top doctors for New York City addressed this and they said ‘we just didn’t have evidence from all the global medical community that was studying this issue,” de Blasio told Lehrer. “There was suspicion, but there was not evidence.”

Mn for the win!

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alum74

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Re: WTF did Trump do to the stock market?

« Reply #215 on: April 05, 2020, 12:58:32 PM »

“Lest you think coronavirus stupidity is just a Republican problem…”

https://mashviral.com/de-blasio-officials-have-learned-of-the-asymmetric-covid-19-transmission/

“Lehrer asked, ‘Didn’t we know weeks and months ago that asymptomatic people can spread this?’

The mayor replied, ‘No, the fact is that I attended so many press conferences where our best New York doctors talked about it and they said,’ We just didn’t have any evidence of the entire global medical community that was studying this problem. There were suspicions, but there was no evidence. ‘

But this is not true. Dr. Anthony Fauci of the National Institute of Allergies and Infectious Diseases and Dr. Robert Redfield of the Centers for Disease Control have been saying for months that asymptomatic carriers can spread the disease. As Fauci said at a January 31 task force meeting, ‘You know that at the beginning we didn’t know if there was an asymptomatic infection, which would make it a much larger epidemic than what we see. Now we know for sure that there are. It was not clear if an asymptomatic person could pass it on to someone while he was asymptomatic. Now we know from a recent report from Germany that this is absolutely the case. ‘

The fact is that the mayor of Blasio has been behind the science for weeks now, even going to his YMCA to train when officials called everyone to social distancing. And in the early days of the virus’s arrival in the United States, de Blasio constantly downplayed the severity and claimed that the virus was ‘contained’.”

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illiniray

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Re: WTF did Trump do to the stock market?

« Reply #216 on: April 05, 2020, 01:23:32 PM »

Quote from: Mn on April 05, 2020, 09:25:34 AM

Friday.
"Mayor Bill de Blasio rejected WNYC host Brian Lehrer’s claim that the U.S. knew “weeks and months ago that asymptomatic people can spread this disease,” and instead suggested this fact was only discovered “in the last 48 hours.”

“The city’s position used to be that healthy people don’t need masks because they’re not very effective at preventing the virus from coming in, they’re mostly from keeping you from spreading it, so explain this new recommendation,” Lehrer said.

“Exactly, it’s still the fundamental truth, so we have, you know, a renowned health department here in New York City… only in the last really 48 hours or so do they feel they’ve seen evidence around the world, particularly a new study coming out of Singapore, that shows more evidence that this disease can be spread by asymptomatic people,” de Blasio responded.
When Lehrer asked, “Didn’t we know weeks and months ago that asymptomatic people can spread this disease?” The mayor insisted we did not.

“No, the fact is I’ve been at so many press conferences where our top doctors for New York City addressed this and they said ‘we just didn’t have evidence from all the global medical community that was studying this issue,” de Blasio told Lehrer. “There was suspicion, but there was not evidence.”

I thought he was parsing asymptomatic and presymptomatic?

Now, it's de Blasio is an idiot too?

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illiniray

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Re: WTF did Trump do to the stock market?

« Reply #217 on: April 05, 2020, 02:54:12 PM »

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illiniray

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Re: WTF did Trump do to the stock market?

« Reply #218 on: April 05, 2020, 03:01:00 PM »

Remember Katrina? Republicans have generally been on the wrong side of public health and disaster response issues for quite a while. We became too biased against the federal government (to the point of sabotaging it) and have tended to think free markets can fix everything.

"the national stockpile actually is intended for states' use, which was clearly explained on the government's own website -- until the language was changed, without explanation, hours after Kushner provided his inaccurate description."

"On Thursday, the Navy officer running FEMA's supply chain task force said that he was mainly focused on ensuring the flow of the gear to the commercial market -- rather than mandating it be allocated to states and localities based on need."

https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/kushner-stockpile-hhs-website-changed-echo-comments-federal/story?id=69936411&fbclid=IwAR2cHUGVqjd7OicMDQ8pjZT2GM2y3cpHbTeto7_e2HOPVRjSrIOjTls-JpA

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No one in Mn

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Re: WTF did Trump do to the stock market?

« Reply #219 on: April 06, 2020, 07:23:36 AM »

There's a light at the end of the tunnel.
Next question please.
How can you say there's a light at the end of the tunnel when Fauci says it's dark in the tunnel ?
Some serious journalism going on.

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No one in Mn

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Re: WTF did Trump do to the stock market?

« Reply #220 on: April 06, 2020, 07:58:20 AM »

Quote from: illiniray on April 05, 2020, 03:01:00 PM

Remember Katrina? Republicans have generally been on the wrong side of public health and disaster response issues for quite a while. We became too biased against the federal government (to the point of sabotaging it) and have tended to think free markets can fix everything.

"the national stockpile actually is intended for states' use, which was clearly explained on the government's own website -- until the language was changed, without explanation, hours after Kushner provided his inaccurate description."

"On Thursday, the Navy officer running FEMA's supply chain task force said that he was mainly focused on ensuring the flow of the gear to the commercial market -- rather than mandating it be allocated to states and localities based on need."

https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/kushner-stockpile-hhs-website-changed-echo-comments-federal/story?id=69936411&fbclid=IwAR2cHUGVqjd7OicMDQ8pjZT2GM2y3cpHbTeto7_e2HOPVRjSrIOjTls-JpA

How does " support their response efforts, " come to mean " actually is intended for " ?
Maybe changing the wording to "supplement" would help to clarify that the state's have some obligation for their stockpile also ?

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ridingthegrange

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Re: WTF did Trump do to the stock market?

« Reply #221 on: April 06, 2020, 08:12:59 AM »

Quote from: Mn on April 06, 2020, 07:58:20 AM

Quote from: illiniray on April 05, 2020, 03:01:00 PM
Remember Katrina? Republicans have generally been on the wrong side of public health and disaster response issues for quite a while. We became too biased against the federal government (to the point of sabotaging it) and have tended to think free markets can fix everything.

"the national stockpile actually is intended for states' use, which was clearly explained on the government's own website -- until the language was changed, without explanation, hours after Kushner provided his inaccurate description."

"On Thursday, the Navy officer running FEMA's supply chain task force said that he was mainly focused on ensuring the flow of the gear to the commercial market -- rather than mandating it be allocated to states and localities based on need."

https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/kushner-stockpile-hhs-website-changed-echo-comments-federal/story?id=69936411&fbclid=IwAR2cHUGVqjd7OicMDQ8pjZT2GM2y3cpHbTeto7_e2HOPVRjSrIOjTls-JpA

How does " support their response efforts, " come to mean " actually is intended for " ?
Maybe changing the wording to "supplement" would help to clarify that the state's have some obligation for their stockpile also ?

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ridingthegrange

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Re: WTF did Trump do to the stock market?

« Reply #222 on: April 06, 2020, 08:17:46 AM »

States do have responsibility in this but it all flows from the top for a national crisis. Tha for t's why there's a FEMA, CDC, DOD, etc... Leadership isi ncumbent on the feds for certain times, like the present.

Don't need no carnival barker selling rheumatiz medicine. Does anyone seriously think this guy can land the plane?

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No one in Mn

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Re: WTF did Trump do to the stock market?

« Reply #223 on: April 06, 2020, 08:46:22 AM »

If I had to choose between A:snake oil and B:dead, I think I would go with A.

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murphstahoe

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Re: WTF did Trump do to the stock market?

« Reply #224 on: April 06, 2020, 11:19:56 AM »

Quote from: Mn on April 03, 2020, 04:38:23 PM

The Ga governor was referring to a just released CDC report of a pre-symptomatic transmission study done in Singapore. Singapore has been doing contact tracing for a while. This study discusses the possibility of transmission before symptoms occur in a person who becomes symptomatic. Asymptomatic, pre-symptomatic and symptomatic are different.
The asymptomatic transmission that has been accepted involves the transmission from individuals who do not show symptoms. It appears that there has been an assumption that individuals who become symptomatic are not contagious until symptomatic.
This study, with a press release of April 1, addresses the possibility of pre-symptomatic transmission and shows that transmission can occur up to 48 hours before symptoms show.
I dont see anything wrong with what the governor said.
"If Georgia’s Brian Kemp is a vote suppressor, he’s the least successful vote suppressor alive. Turnout in Georgia was immense. In the previous gubernatorial election, Republican Nathan Deal won with 1.3 million votes. In November, Abrams lost with 1.9 million votes. There were roughly 2.5 million total votes cast in 2014. In 2018, more than 3.9 million Georgians voted. That almost matches the total votes cast for president in 2016.
According to FiveThirtyEight, 55 percent of eligible Georgians voted, a whopping 21-point increase over the 1982–2014 midterm average. Moreover, according to preliminary exit polls, a record-high 40 percent of Georgia’s electorate was nonwhite. Georgia’s 55 percent turnout exceeded the national average of 47 percent."
National Review, Nov 19, 2018.
Also, the Fla Democratic gubernatorial candidate has withdrawn from politics. I'll leave it at that.
Fla allowing spring break was not the best move. Either was the Mardi Gras.

What a stinking heap of dung.

“that this virus is now transmitting before people see signs”

That would include people who *never* see signs - who you include as transmissible above.

His statement is dumb, he's dumb. "Fla allowing spring break was not the best move". Not sure what you mean by "allowing spring break" but Kemp re-opened Georgia beaches, including overriding local governments who closed their own beaches. He's a turd blossom.

Newsom clamped down early and hard - and our curve is flattening. Same with Inslee, same with DeWine. Cuomo is all over the TV but he should get little credit because he was 2 weeks behind us and it shows.

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