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WTF is the deal with the caronavirus?

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Re: WTF is the deal with the caronavirus?
« Reply #1365 on: January 09, 2021, 10:47:01 AM »
I’ve had it so yes according to the health department I shouldn’t have a high risk of contracting it again within three months. They’re mostly guessing, of course. Which is why I’m a little skeptical of the vaccine’s long term efficacy if actually having COVID only nets a seasonal immunity.

I’m having an elective procedure done Wednesday morning in New Lenox. I must have a COVID test performed within 72 hours of the surgery so I am having that done tomorrow. If I test positive obviously I can’t have the procedure. BUT since I had it within the last three months there’s some likelihood I’ll actually test positive so I had to provide a copy of my positive test to show that I’d had it to account for any positive test that may occur tomorrow.

I should have asked what the protocol is for someone that had it 3.5 months prior and then tests positive 3 days prior to surgery.
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Re: WTF is the deal with the caronavirus?
« Reply #1366 on: January 09, 2021, 12:53:00 PM »
I haven’t seen anyone in the scientific community say the vaccines will offer long-term immunity.  The mRNA vaccines for COVID-19 work differently than many traditional viral vaccines and they have only been in use for a couple of months. 

The pharmaceutical companies so far have been cautious about speculating on the durability of immune response elicited by mRNA vaccines.

We may need only one vaccination.  We may need to get a vaccine every year.   Or it may be somewhere in the middle, requiring regular shots every couple of years. 

The jury is still out.

How long does COVID-19 vaccine immunity last?
https://www.zmescience.com/science/how-long-does-covid-19-vaccine-immunity-last-52352/
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Re: WTF is the deal with the caronavirus?
« Reply #1367 on: January 09, 2021, 02:34:04 PM »
It’s not uncommon for vaccine immunity to last longer than immunity acquired from having the disease.

I just hope vaccine immunity lasts at least a year. Getting annual Covid shots would be annoying, but I do that for flu shots already, so NBD. Needing a booster every 6 months would be a huge PITA.

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Re: WTF is the deal with the caronavirus?
« Reply #1368 on: January 09, 2021, 04:09:48 PM »
I haven’t seen anyone in the scientific community say the vaccines will offer long-term immunity.  The mRNA vaccines for COVID-19 work differently than many traditional viral vaccines and they have only been in use for a couple of months. 

The pharmaceutical companies so far have been cautious about speculating on the durability of immune response elicited by mRNA vaccines.

We may need only one vaccination.  We may need to get a vaccine every year.   Or it may be somewhere in the middle, requiring regular shots every couple of years. 

The jury is still out.

How long does COVID-19 vaccine immunity last?
https://www.zmescience.com/science/how-long-does-covid-19-vaccine-immunity-last-52352/

That’s my whole point. I think a lot if not most people assume this is a one and done thing.

Getting a flu shot takes like 9 seconds. It’s not the time commitment or inconvenience that bothers me. It seems likely at this juncture many people will have to prove they’ve been vaccinated (potentially multiple times a year) to travel or even report to work, and it concerns me to some degree that the vaccine was not only rushed into production, but also uses a new mode of action.

The FDA routinely approves products that end up being proven to have serious consequences for those that use them, and that’s with their normal, lengthy evaluation period. Then you’ve got Trump threatening to have this guy sent to the Gulag or whatever if he doesn’t approve it for emergency use.

What could possibly go wrong?
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Re: WTF is the deal with the caronavirus?
« Reply #1369 on: January 09, 2021, 05:53:43 PM »
I suppose I'll have to keep never going to Texas Roadhouse.

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Re: WTF is the deal with the caronavirus?
« Reply #1370 on: January 09, 2021, 08:13:02 PM »
I don’t think the COVID-19 vaccines were “rushed” in an inappropriate way.   I think they are a remarkable achievement.   

However, I understand that the speed at which the vaccines were developed has generated caution and suspicion among some people.   

Here are a few things that contributed to the rapid development, testing and approval process: 
•   We now have a century of microbiology and immunology knowledge, plus 50 years of vaccine research.
•   Chinese scientists uploaded the gene sequencing data for COVID-19 to a public site in January.
•   Scientists were able to build on the research of SARS-1 (and other coronaviruses) 10+ years ago, and the ideas of how to vaccinate against it (e.g., targeting the virus surface cell).  Some scientists believe the SARS-1 research saved at least two years in developing the vaccines. 
•   Governments around the world were willing to fund the research and testing work and guarantee purchases of safe and effective vaccines.
•   The vaccines have been tested in large numbers of people according to clinical trials best practice. 
•   The hospitals and academic labs that did the testing increased the efficiency of their own processes, filing paperwork daily, for example, instead of waiting for weeks to file it in batches. 
•   There was a rolling review, in which safety and effectiveness data was evaluated on a continual basis, as it became available, rather than reviewing everything at the end. 
•   The FDA scientists who reviewed the data worked seven days a week to expedite their decisions.

Doubts about vaccines in general and the speed of making the COVID-19 vaccines have some taking a cautious view
https://nortonhealthcare.com/news/reaching-those-skeptical-about-covid-19-vaccines/

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Re: WTF is the deal with the caronavirus?
« Reply #1371 on: January 09, 2021, 08:41:30 PM »
Of course. Let me try this another way.

Can a person who generally trusts vaccines have socially acceptable concerns about this vaccine?
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Re: WTF is the deal with the caronavirus?
« Reply #1372 on: January 12, 2021, 04:08:22 PM »
Murph, were you at this?

https://www.foxla.com/news/superspreader-swinger-party-busted-in-south-central-la

An "adults only" superspreader event got busted at a warehouse in South Central Los Angeles over the weekend. This time, it wasn't teenagers and young people... it was older, middle-aged partygoers.
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Re: WTF is the deal with the caronavirus?
« Reply #1373 on: January 12, 2021, 06:07:49 PM »
I once went to a ... club? ... some kind of meeting place, in San Francisco (of course). where "open-minded people" could meet others. I was with an FWB. I don't think we ever intended to participate in anything, but were sort of curious as to what goes on in these places.

It was really depressing.

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Re: WTF is the deal with the caronavirus?
« Reply #1374 on: January 12, 2021, 06:35:47 PM »
Of course. Let me try this another way.

Can a person who generally trusts vaccines have socially acceptable concerns about this vaccine?

Of course.
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Re: WTF is the deal with the caronavirus?
« Reply #1375 on: January 12, 2021, 06:36:15 PM »
I once went to a ... club? ... some kind of meeting place, in San Francisco (of course). where "open-minded people" could meet others. I was with an FWB. I don't think we ever intended to participate in anything, but were sort of curious as to what goes on in these places.

It was really depressing.

Did you see Murph and/or Bob "Hogan" Crane there?
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Re: WTF is the deal with the caronavirus?
« Reply #1376 on: January 12, 2021, 06:38:40 PM »
Did you see Murph and/or Bob "Hogan" Crane there?

What does it say about you that your celebrity take on swingers clubs is Bob Crane and not Seven of Nine

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Re: WTF is the deal with the caronavirus?
« Reply #1377 on: January 12, 2021, 06:50:43 PM »
What does it say about you that your celebrity take on swingers clubs is Bob Crane and not Seven of Nine

That there is no movie where Jeri Ryan gets bludgeoned to death with a golf club?

Also, you have deflected responding to your whereabouts in both instances.
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Re: WTF is the deal with the caronavirus?
« Reply #1378 on: January 12, 2021, 06:59:34 PM »
Bob Crane's been dead for a while.

My primary memory is finding, after searching for something interesting, a portly man, sitting on the floor, trying to flagellate himself to erection.

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Re: WTF is the deal with the caronavirus?
« Reply #1379 on: January 13, 2021, 01:09:08 PM »
I’ve had it so yes according to the health department I shouldn’t have a high risk of contracting it again within three months. They’re mostly guessing, of course. Which is why I’m a little skeptical of the vaccine’s long term efficacy if actually having COVID only nets a seasonal immunity.


Every business wants a subscription-based / razor blade type sales model for their products. Big Pharma is no different; well, at least until IP protection expires and generics enter the market. Also much easier and far more cost effective to bill the government directly for 100M doses every year rather than sending out thousands of invoices to the various health care providers. So limited time immunity it is for Covid-19 vaccinations.

Perhaps Pfizer will roll out a new dividend program in the form of an annual Covid-19 vaccine (in lieu of dividends, of course) for those with 500+ shares of the company's stock. Priority access for those with 10,000+ shares.
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