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WTF is the deal with the caronavirus?

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Re: WTF is the deal with the caronavirus?
« Reply #5910 on: January 18, 2024, 03:41:43 PM »
Yes, if there’s no incentive to do better, people won’t. Water seeks it own level when left stagnant. That’s why most socialist countries fail. The great thing about capitalism is it rewards those hustlers and people who are self-motivated and driven with far more benefits (money) than one could ever possibly achieve in a socialist society. Why you think so many people are flooding America?! The land of opportunity!
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Re: WTF is the deal with the caronavirus?
« Reply #5911 on: January 18, 2024, 06:54:17 PM »
2 of the 3 guys around here who want to let Putin "get the band back together" explaining why that is a bad idea is awesome.
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Re: WTF is the deal with the caronavirus?
« Reply #5912 on: January 18, 2024, 07:30:07 PM »
Why you think so many people are flooding America?!

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Re: WTF is the deal with the caronavirus?
« Reply #5913 on: January 18, 2024, 07:49:17 PM »

It's the best system invented by far in human history but ok

The best system by far in terms of  human health, happiness, education, and so on is social democracy -- a mix of free markets and central planning; private and public enterprise.
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Re: WTF is the deal with the caronavirus?
« Reply #5914 on: January 18, 2024, 10:25:02 PM »
2 of the 3 guys around here who want to let Putin "get the band back together" explaining why that is a bad idea is awesome.

I was at an international conference last week with a bunch of businessmen from Ukraine. I thought it was awesome they were able to escape their besiegement and fly to the US to drink top shelf whisky and eat prime rib for a week and then head back home.
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Re: WTF is the deal with the caronavirus?
« Reply #5915 on: January 18, 2024, 11:04:48 PM »
The best system by far in terms of  human health, happiness, education, and so on is social democracy -- a mix of free markets and central planning; private and public enterprise.

I call bullshit. We have paid the defense bill so the Euros can do this to keep them from starting world war after world war. Then, when they get a few Middle Eastern types moving in, they lose their shit.
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Re: WTF is the deal with the caronavirus?
« Reply #5916 on: January 18, 2024, 11:06:45 PM »
I was at an international conference last week with a bunch of businessmen from Ukraine. I thought it was awesome they were able to escape their besiegement and fly to the US to drink top shelf whisky and eat prime rib for a week and then head back home.

Commerce doesn't stop because there is a war. As we found out in the 1940s when it dragged us out of The Depression.  Neither does boozing.
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Re: WTF is the deal with the caronavirus?
« Reply #5917 on: January 18, 2024, 11:30:02 PM »
Commerce doesn't stop because there is a war. As we found out in the 1940s when it dragged us out of The Depression.  Neither does boozing.

Couldn’t agree more. These guys were far less concerned about it than people on this board. They were actually kind of shocked at how concerned everyone was.

One of them told me all his checks were signed with red white and blue ink. I think he meant he had one of those 6 color ink pens from the early 90s.
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Re: WTF is the deal with the caronavirus?
« Reply #5918 on: January 18, 2024, 11:36:06 PM »
Couldn’t agree more. These guys were far less concerned about it than people on this board. They were actually kind of shocked at how concerned everyone was.

One of them told me all his checks were signed with red white and blue ink. I think he meant he had one of those 6 color ink pens from the early 90s.

I could never get those pens to work for very long, for some reason.
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Re: WTF is the deal with the caronavirus?
« Reply #5919 on: January 18, 2024, 11:46:45 PM »
They were bullshit. Almost certainly made in Taiwan.
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Re: WTF is the deal with the caronavirus?
« Reply #5920 on: January 19, 2024, 01:30:37 AM »
Much like Tempo likes to hate on Christianity because a few bad actors or stuff that happened hundreds of years ago, Nichi likes to hate on capitalism because some bad actors totally abused their power during the Industrial Revolution and well into the 1900s.

There have been and always will be opportunities for hustlers in this country.

A few? Well, I guess it was only a few archibishops and the pope. Like if Trump is the only bad actor in the Trump administration, then the administration has a good averase.

As for hustlers, yes, bitcoin is a gift that keeps on giving.

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Re: WTF is the deal with the caronavirus?
« Reply #5921 on: January 19, 2024, 02:02:58 AM »
I could never get those pens to work for very long, for some reason.

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Re: WTF is the deal with the caronavirus?
« Reply #5922 on: January 19, 2024, 05:46:51 AM »
One of them told me all his checks were signed with red white and blue ink. I think he meant he had one of those 6 color ink pens from the early 90s.
Good one.
Were these businessmen in the laundry business ?

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Re: WTF is the deal with the caronavirus?
« Reply #5923 on: January 19, 2024, 12:41:17 PM »
The best system by far in terms of  human health, happiness, education, and so on is social democracy -- a mix of free markets and central planning; private and public enterprise.

I think mixing this in with Judy's water seeks it's own level thing - one of the best parts of a Capitalist system is that it rewards risk taking. We want people to take risks and start new ventures!

However - in the US we actually *discourage* that to some extent. Look at a couple of the richest people in the world. Gates, Zuckerberg, Musk, Bezos. They made major bank and created a lot of jobs and wealth by starting up companies. Risk takers!

All four of those men had huge backstops. Gates and Zuck dropped out of Harvard to start MSFT and META. In order to drop out of Harvard, you have to be at Harvard to begin with. Each of those guys had family money behind them and if their ventures didn't work out, they could just go back to Harvard. They were connected in a way that it would be easy to raise venture capital and be paid a salary that pretty much matched what they could have gotten otherwise.

Musk had a lot of family money, more than those two. Bezos was a Senior Vice President at a hedge fund and had accumulated a backstop plus had family money, they put 300k into Amazon (and his wife also had worked at the hedge fund).

None of them were going to have huge problems if their ventures failed.

Now, there are definitely some people who took some risks that turned out who had smaller backstops, and some who took big risks and cratered. But there are a *lot* more people - myself included - for whom taking a huge risk makes no sense. Even before the recent ridiculous runup (RRR) I was pretty comfortable. Given that position, jumping off to start up some entrepreneurial venture might make sense when you look at my bank account and prospects if I decided to return to a big company - BUT puts me into a bit of a bind with respect to one key issue - Health insurance.

If we want an aggressive capitalist system that really incentivizes the taking of risks to grow our economy, we'd put in a comprehensive national healthcare system so that you know - if you jump off the ledge, you might lose your money and have to start over, but if you get cancer in the meantime, you can actually get treatment.

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Re: WTF is the deal with the caronavirus?
« Reply #5924 on: January 19, 2024, 01:00:03 PM »
None of them were going to have huge problems if their ventures failed.

The problem is not owing creditors $1m. The problem is having $1m and owing creditors $1m.
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