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Re: WTF is the deal with the caronavirus?
« Reply #495 on: July 20, 2020, 12:47:47 PM »
Quote from: ThePAMan on July 20, 2020, 10:00:44 AM
Quote from: ILLove1997 on July 20, 2020, 09:57:20 AM


9 out of the top 10 causes of death are well below the 5 year average at a time when it is agreed that the same group of people had limited access to standard healthcare

so there are two key conclusions that stand out:

Either people suddenly stopped dying of the other usual causes due to their lack of healthcare (lol)

OR the deaths that would have occurred anyway were wrongly attributed to Covid

hmmm  :-X

So, the takeaway is that the COVID is preventing deaths from other causes like car accidents? Sweet.

I took it to mean that as a general rule any people that happen to die WITH COVID die FROM COVID
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Re: WTF is the deal with the caronavirus?
« Reply #496 on: July 20, 2020, 02:26:27 PM »
Quote from: ILLove1997 on July 20, 2020, 10:09:04 AM
Quote from: ThePAMan on July 20, 2020, 10:00:44 AM
Quote from: ILLove1997 on July 20, 2020, 09:57:20 AM


9 out of the top 10 causes of death are well below the 5 year average at a time when it is agreed that the same group of people had limited access to standard healthcare

so there are two key conclusions that stand out:

Either people suddenly stopped dying of the other usual causes due to their lack of healthcare (lol)

OR the deaths that would have occurred anyway were wrongly attributed to Covid

hmmm  :-X

So, the takeaway is that the COVID is preventing deaths from other causes like car accidents? Sweet.

yep and we all know a sedentary lifestyle is definitely reducing the number of heart attacks too!

have you been outside?  Traffic is probably 90% back to normal, it certainly would be interesting that covid would prevent car accident deaths wouldn't it

I've been outside. Traffic getting back to normal here. The issue is I doubt as many people are taking the CTA or the Metra.
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Re: WTF is the deal with the caronavirus?
« Reply #497 on: July 20, 2020, 02:27:15 PM »
Quote from: Custard on July 20, 2020, 12:47:47 PM
Quote from: ThePAMan on July 20, 2020, 10:00:44 AM
Quote from: ILLove1997 on July 20, 2020, 09:57:20 AM


9 out of the top 10 causes of death are well below the 5 year average at a time when it is agreed that the same group of people had limited access to standard healthcare

so there are two key conclusions that stand out:

Either people suddenly stopped dying of the other usual causes due to their lack of healthcare (lol)

OR the deaths that would have occurred anyway were wrongly attributed to Covid

hmmm  :-X

So, the takeaway is that the COVID is preventing deaths from other causes like car accidents? Sweet.

I took it to mean that as a general rule any people that happen to die WITH COVID die FROM COVID

You are such a Negative Nancy.
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Re: WTF is the deal with the caronavirus?
« Reply #498 on: July 20, 2020, 02:28:30 PM »
Quote from: ILLove1997 on July 20, 2020, 10:10:37 AM
Quote from: ThePAMan on July 20, 2020, 10:03:26 AM
Quote from: ILLove1997 on July 20, 2020, 09:59:48 AM
Quote from: alum74 on July 20, 2020, 09:42:39 AM
Quote from: illiniray on July 19, 2020, 03:14:15 PM
Quote from: Custard on July 18, 2020, 05:54:29 PM

So what happened to emergency hospitals and ships? Why are they waiting in line? WITAF? We geared up specifically FOR THIS in March and April.

Good question. Abysmal national leadership. No consistent national plan.

Ben Sasse seems to agree with you.

“Senator Ben Sasse, Republican of Nebraska, said he wanted the administration to offer more extensive public-health updates to the American people, and condemned the open animosity toward Dr. Fauci by some administration officials, including Peter Navarro, the trade adviser, who wrote an opinion column attacking Dr. Fauci, the nation’s top infectious disease expert.”

“’I want more briefings but, more importantly, I want the whole White House to start acting like a team on a mission to tackle a real problem,’ Mr. Sasse said. ‘Navarro’s Larry, Moe and Curly junior-high slap fight this week is yet another way to undermine public confidence that these guys grasp that tens of thousands of Americans have died and tens of millions are out of work.’”

As Trump Ignores Virus Crisis, Republicans Start to Break Ranks
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/07/19/us/politics/republicans-contradict-trump-coronavirus.html

"I don't want to be a leader, because if I actually do something wrong in an election year I'll get blamed for it and lose my power"

"can't trump just lead for me so we can blame him in this no win situation?"

what a fucking pathetic loser

vote out every single one of these whiny pathetic losers asking for more federal mandates, as they are clearly terrible leaders

So then you can complain about the governor of your state mandating mask wearing in public, etc.? Got it.

I'm pretty sure the mask mandates are making things worse, as it gives people a false sense of confidence and they don't take as much precaution when wearing them

but whatever

You aren't wearing masks in the bars when drinking or when eating in a restaurant though.
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Re: WTF is the deal with the caronavirus?
« Reply #499 on: July 20, 2020, 03:03:01 PM »
Quote from: ILLove1997 on July 20, 2020, 10:10:37 AM
Quote from: ThePAMan on July 20, 2020, 10:03:26 AM
Quote from: ILLove1997 on July 20, 2020, 09:59:48 AM
Quote from: alum74 on July 20, 2020, 09:42:39 AM
Quote from: illiniray on July 19, 2020, 03:14:15 PM
Quote from: Custard on July 18, 2020, 05:54:29 PM

So what happened to emergency hospitals and ships? Why are they waiting in line? WITAF? We geared up specifically FOR THIS in March and April.

Good question. Abysmal national leadership. No consistent national plan.

Ben Sasse seems to agree with you.

“Senator Ben Sasse, Republican of Nebraska, said he wanted the administration to offer more extensive public-health updates to the American people, and condemned the open animosity toward Dr. Fauci by some administration officials, including Peter Navarro, the trade adviser, who wrote an opinion column attacking Dr. Fauci, the nation’s top infectious disease expert.”

“’I want more briefings but, more importantly, I want the whole White House to start acting like a team on a mission to tackle a real problem,’ Mr. Sasse said. ‘Navarro’s Larry, Moe and Curly junior-high slap fight this week is yet another way to undermine public confidence that these guys grasp that tens of thousands of Americans have died and tens of millions are out of work.’”

As Trump Ignores Virus Crisis, Republicans Start to Break Ranks
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/07/19/us/politics/republicans-contradict-trump-coronavirus.html

"I don't want to be a leader, because if I actually do something wrong in an election year I'll get blamed for it and lose my power"

"can't trump just lead for me so we can blame him in this no win situation?"

what a fucking pathetic loser

vote out every single one of these whiny pathetic losers asking for more federal mandates, as they are clearly terrible leaders

So then you can complain about the governor of your state mandating mask wearing in public, etc.? Got it.

I'm pretty sure the mask mandates are making things worse, as it gives people a false sense of confidence and they don't take as much precaution when wearing them

but whatever

People are saying you are one of the leaders of QAnon. I don't know, but I'm hearing it. A lot. So it is what it is, but I'm just saying that this is what I hear.
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Re: WTF is the deal with the caronavirus?
« Reply #500 on: July 20, 2020, 03:05:10 PM »
Quote from: ThePAMan on July 20, 2020, 02:26:27 PM

I've been outside. Traffic getting back to normal here. The issue is I doubt as many people are taking the CTA or the Metra.

A key point - if the L and Metra are non-existent, the net total people going out is trivial compared to before.

You could say anything you want about Bay Area traffic, but suffice to say, no workers are going into Apple, Facebook, or Google, so that's hundreds of thousands of trips not happening just for those three companies.
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Re: WTF is the deal with the caronavirus?
« Reply #501 on: July 20, 2020, 03:06:31 PM »
Quote from: ILLove1997 on July 20, 2020, 10:09:04 AM

yep and we all know a sedentary lifestyle is definitely reducing the number of heart attacks too!

have you been outside?  Traffic is probably 90% back to normal, it certainly would be interesting that covid would prevent car accident deaths wouldn't it

LOL in Reno.

Are the casinos back to 90% of normal?

I went down to Mountain View the other day. I left MV at 4:30 PM and was home at 6:30 PM. On a Friday. Typically that drive would be at least 3 hours. I had one tiny pocket of traffic in Petaluma, that's it.

On the way down, the HOT lanes were free. That never happens normally.
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Re: WTF is the deal with the caronavirus?
« Reply #502 on: July 20, 2020, 04:30:38 PM »
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Re: WTF is the deal with the caronavirus?
« Reply #503 on: July 20, 2020, 04:31:50 PM »
Quote from: murphstahoe on July 20, 2020, 03:06:31 PM
Quote from: ILLove1997 on July 20, 2020, 10:09:04 AM

yep and we all know a sedentary lifestyle is definitely reducing the number of heart attacks too!

have you been outside?  Traffic is probably 90% back to normal, it certainly would be interesting that covid would prevent car accident deaths wouldn't it

LOL in Reno.

Are the casinos back to 90% of normal?


I'd say about 60-80% back to normal... drive by the GSR parking lot on any given day and its pretty much full as it always is unless there's a concert
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Re: WTF is the deal with the caronavirus?
« Reply #504 on: July 20, 2020, 04:52:18 PM »
Quote from: ILLove1997 on July 20, 2020, 09:12:43 AM
Quote from: illiniray on July 19, 2020, 03:14:15 PM
Quote from: Custard on July 18, 2020, 05:54:29 PM

So what happened to emergency hospitals and ships? Why are they waiting in line? WITAF? We geared up specifically FOR THIS in March and April.

Good question. Abysmal national leadership. No consistent national plan.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/States%27_rights

That does not apply to the Portland though?

I'd say dealing with a pandemic is an area which calls for national leadership and international cooperation.   
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Re: WTF is the deal with the caronavirus?
« Reply #505 on: July 20, 2020, 05:05:02 PM »
Quote from: ThePAMan on July 20, 2020, 10:00:44 AM
Quote from: ILLove1997 on July 20, 2020, 09:57:20 AM


9 out of the top 10 causes of death are well below the 5 year average at a time when it is agreed that the same group of people had limited access to standard healthcare

so there are two key conclusions that stand out:

Either people suddenly stopped dying of the other usual causes due to their lack of healthcare (lol)

OR the deaths that would have occurred anyway were wrongly attributed to Covid

hmmm  :-X

So, the takeaway is that the COVID is preventing deaths from other causes like car accidents? Sweet.

Certainly accidental deaths in general could be down. Also, there are delays in reporting and posting current numbers.

I doubt the OP is even accurate. 

April 29, 2020:  "The United States has suffered at least 66,000 more deaths than expected this year, a toll that includes the devastation directly caused by the coronavirus pandemic and a sharp rise in fatalities not attributed to the virus, the government reported late Wednesday."

"The numbers are almost certainly a substantial undercount of the actual total. The report notes that information on the cause of deaths can take as long as eight weeks to reach the federal government and be tallied."

https://www.washingtonpost.com/health/us-reports-66000-more-deaths-than-expected-so-far-this-year/2020/04/29/b6833548-8a68-11ea-ac8a-fe9b8088e101_story.html
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Re: WTF is the deal with the caronavirus?
« Reply #506 on: July 20, 2020, 05:12:05 PM »
Quote from: murphstahoe on July 20, 2020, 03:05:10 PM
Quote from: ThePAMan on July 20, 2020, 02:26:27 PM

I've been outside. Traffic getting back to normal here. The issue is I doubt as many people are taking the CTA or the Metra.

A key point - if the L and Metra are non-existent, the net total people going out is trivial compared to before.

You could say anything you want about Bay Area traffic, but suffice to say, no workers are going into Apple, Facebook, or Google, so that's hundreds of thousands of trips not happening just for those three companies.

Point being that "traffic" on the road could be the same because even with less people going into work, those who would usually take public transportation are saying "screw it" and driving.
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Re: WTF is the deal with the caronavirus?
« Reply #507 on: July 20, 2020, 05:14:23 PM »
Quote from: illiniray on July 20, 2020, 05:05:02 PM


I doubt the OP is even accurate. 



Well, as ILLove is the head of QAnon, he is probably accurate.
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Re: WTF is the deal with the caronavirus?
« Reply #508 on: July 20, 2020, 05:49:23 PM »
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Re: WTF is the deal with the caronavirus?
« Reply #509 on: July 21, 2020, 05:41:42 AM »
I spend a lot of time trimming and plucking.

It's not germane to the Covid discussion, but I felt it needed to be said.
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