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WTF is the deal with the caronavirus?

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Re: WTF is the deal with the caronavirus?
« Reply #360 on: June 22, 2020, 03:56:15 PM »
how concerned were they about H1N1?

It's too bad you tried to troll on this particular topic because I've been writing about Influenza for years, including on many occasions within the Cesspool.

The answer, of course, is extremely concerned — and diligent — about the severity of any seasonal mutation.

In fact, much more concerned than the scope of your unsurprisingly ignorant question. Because, of course, it's not just H1N1 that poses a pandemic threat.

The 1968 pandemic was H3N2. 1957's was H2N2.

Unfortunately we’ve had another pandemic spreading throughout our country for the last 20-30 years: distortion and willful ignorance.   We’ve seen examples of it related to the science of climate change, vaccinations and GMOs.   

Dr. Anthony Fauci:  "One of the problems we face in the United States is that unfortunately, there is a combination of an anti-science bias that people are - for reasons that sometimes are, you know, inconceivable and not understandable - they just don't believe science and they don't believe authority."
https://www.sciencealert.com/fauci-is-worried-about-anti-science-bias-in-the-us-as-stay-at-home-orders-are-thwarted

When a vaccine becomes available for COVID-19, I’ll be watching to see if the anti-vaxxers hook up with the COVID hoaxers/contrarians to oppose vaccination programs at the local level.

Anti-Vaccine Activists Latch Onto Coronavirus To Bolster Their Movement
https://khn.org/news/anti-vaccine-activists-latch-onto-coronavirus-to-bolster-their-movement/


What an odd time to say something like:

“They don’t believe authority”

I know there are relatively small segments of people who are anti-science in certain ways. For instance I have creationist relatives who also believe/accept pretty much every other science.

That’s a lot different than someone who is actively anti-science across the spectrum and I don’t know any of those at all, nor have even really heard of any.

But I think there is a lot of suspect science being put forth as settled science right now regarding COVID-19 and a lot of people just aren’t buying it.

“Anti-science“ is just another term made up to shame people who don’t blindly toe the line or “listen to authority”

Much of scientific discovery can be manipulated and distorted like any other statistic. It’s not concrete and it can and often is subject to extreme bias.

The Warren Commission used science to sell Americans that Lee Harvey Oswald was the lone gunman in JFK’s assassination and the magic bullet theory.

I think it’s ok to question “authority” when your own eyes and ears tell you something completely different than the party line. I fear for a world when that no longer exists.

“What an odd time to say something like: 'They don’t believe authority'”

A few signs from the “anti-lockdown” protests:
-   Give Me Liberty or Give Me Covid-19
-   Defy Fascist Lockdown
-   Fear the Govt, Not the Covid
-   Fauci is a Fraud, Fake Models
-   Vaccine Mandates Violate Bodily Autonomy
-   US Classifies Vaccines and Unavoidably Unsafe
-   We Do Not Consent of Tyranny of Forced Vaccines
-   Truth Is Learned Not Told, Do Your Own Research
-   This Is Not Nazi Germany:  No Testing, No Tracing, No Tracking, No Snitching, No Mask

“But I think there is a lot of suspect science being put forth as settled science right now regarding COVID-19 and a lot of people just aren’t buying it.”   

I think most scientists would say there are still many unknowns about the virus.   That’s why they "shy away" from predictions and instead provide “scenarios.”  For example, the CDC COVID-19 Pandemic Planning Scenarios document "gave a wide range of numerical estimates for the contagiousness and lethality of covid-19."  The guidance included a cautionary preamble: “Information about [covid-19’s] biological and epidemiological characteristics remain limited, and uncertainty remains around nearly all parameter values.”
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Re: WTF is the deal with the caronavirus?
« Reply #361 on: June 22, 2020, 04:20:07 PM »
I think it’s ok to question “authority” when your own eyes and ears tell you something completely different than the party line.

Keep your gubmint data off my anecdotal evidence!

Come on put a little effort in
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Re: WTF is the deal with the caronavirus?
« Reply #362 on: June 22, 2020, 04:24:41 PM »
You do realize your strange juxtaposition of “peer reviewed science” with rapidly developing news stories from hundreds of labs reporting different findings on a mutating virus in real time, right?
Peer review was offered as one control on the misuse of science. There are others, as I'm sure you're well aware.

And I’m sure you’re aware it’s tough to validate scientific data in real time from multiple sources without it being corrupted. It’s impossible, especially when there are so many hands in the cookie jar.

Who do we trust and believe?
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Re: WTF is the deal with the caronavirus?
« Reply #363 on: June 22, 2020, 04:38:48 PM »
and unsurprisingly Rob completely missed the point of my question

Was the point of your question something other than the explicit, readily understood interrogatory expressed by that
combination of words?

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Re: WTF is the deal with the caronavirus?
« Reply #364 on: June 22, 2020, 04:46:15 PM »
You do realize your strange juxtaposition of “peer reviewed science” with rapidly developing news stories from hundreds of labs reporting different findings on a mutating virus in real time, right?
Peer review was offered as one control on the misuse of science. There are others, as I'm sure you're well aware.

And I’m sure you’re aware it’s tough to validate scientific data in real time from multiple sources without it being corrupted. It’s impossible, especially when there are so many hands in the cookie jar.

Who do we trust and believe?
I dunno, maybe the developing consensus of PhD-level epidemiologists across the first world?

Why do we suck at managing pandemics compared to everyone else? You think it's because we're too trusting of scientists?

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Re: WTF is the deal with the caronavirus?
« Reply #365 on: June 22, 2020, 06:00:03 PM »
Maybe we aren’t as bad at it as the statistics suggest?

I mean we know for a fact that medical facilities have been strongly incentivized to milk this for all its worth.

Other countries that don’t have that variable seem to be doing muuuuch better.

As an educated man, take a look at Japan and US stats and tell me with a straight face that the unfathomable chasm is simply due to fewer comorbidities, testing, grassroots analog contact tracing, and Japanese speech. The entire notion is ludicrous.

We are talking about a global hub that is very densely  populated and has the oldest population on earth and they’ve had very little trouble. I’ve seen all the answers on here trying to explain it away. Give me a break.
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Re: WTF is the deal with the caronavirus?
« Reply #366 on: June 22, 2020, 06:53:34 PM »
You're nearly there. This is the brand of Trutherism Qyou can be proud of.

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Re: WTF is the deal with the caronavirus?
« Reply #367 on: June 22, 2020, 07:23:27 PM »
And to think just yesterday I praised you for being a free thinker
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Re: WTF is the deal with the caronavirus?
« Reply #368 on: June 22, 2020, 07:50:54 PM »
Maybe we aren’t as bad at it as the statistics suggest?

I mean we know for a fact that medical facilities have been strongly incentivized to milk this for all its worth.

It's hard to believe anyone takes this one seriously. Even the congress critter who started the rumor walked it back.  20% more on a medicare bill is worth the risk of committing medical coding fraud?  Or do you honestly think hospitals are intubating patients who don't actually need ventilators?
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Re: WTF is the deal with the caronavirus?
« Reply #369 on: June 22, 2020, 07:52:44 PM »
Free thinking versus mindlessly parroting WND drivel.

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Re: WTF is the deal with the caronavirus?
« Reply #370 on: June 22, 2020, 08:01:14 PM »
And to think just yesterday I praised you for being a free thinker

Oh all right. I'll agree with your conspiracy theories if you promise to praise me some more.

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Re: WTF is the deal with the caronavirus?
« Reply #371 on: June 22, 2020, 08:08:27 PM »
Maybe we aren’t as bad at it as the statistics suggest?

I mean we know for a fact that medical facilities have been strongly incentivized to milk this for all its worth.

It's hard to believe anyone takes this one seriously. Even the congress critter who started the rumor walked it back.  20% more on a medicare bill is worth the risk of committing medical coding fraud?  Or do you honestly think hospitals are intubating patients who don't actually need ventilators?

Yep.  We're also starting to hear reports that medical treatment for hospitalized COVOID patients is getting better, e.g., knowing what to look for and treat earlier, placing patients in prone position, employing high-volume oxygen and (maybe???) using steroids to reduce inflammation.

This is all positive, but we obviously got more work to do.


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Re: WTF is the deal with the caronavirus?
« Reply #372 on: June 22, 2020, 08:51:51 PM »
Free thinking versus mindlessly parroting WND drivel.

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I don’t know what WND is I’m just going off of what people in the medical field have told me regarding cash flow in the absence of elective procedures.
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Re: WTF is the deal with the caronavirus?
« Reply #373 on: June 22, 2020, 08:53:22 PM »
And to think just yesterday I praised you for being a free thinker

Oh all right. I'll agree with your conspiracy theories if you promise to praise me some more.

Deal. I gotta get $15 a month in entertainment out of this venture somehow
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