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WTF is wrong with Minnesota?

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Re: WTF is wrong with Minnesota?
« Reply #1335 on: February 10, 2026, 03:29:26 PM »
Quote from: illiniray on February 10, 2026, 02:51:03 PM
Yes. Has to do with probable cause.

"Checkpoints are a complex legal area: they are generally constitutional under federal law for specific purposes like sobriety or license checks if done systematically and briefly, balancing public safety against Fourth Amendment rights, but some state constitutions ban them, and general crime control checkpoints are often ruled unconstitutional, requiring strict procedures like advance warning and clear guidelines for officer discretion.' -- AI

That's actually not true. If the officer sees drugs or a gun in the car during a lawful traffic stop, the officer can act on it. Officers can take reasonable actions to ensure safety during a traffic stop, including the ability to secure a weapon in the vehicle, until the traffic stop ends.   You should have watched Live PD back when it was on A&E.
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Re: WTF is wrong with Minnesota?
« Reply #1336 on: February 10, 2026, 03:51:52 PM »
Quote from: ThePAMan on February 10, 2026, 03:29:26 PM
That's actually not true. If the officer sees drugs or a gun in the car during a lawful traffic stop, the officer can act on it. Officers can take reasonable actions to ensure safety during a traffic stop, including the ability to secure a weapon in the vehicle, until the traffic stop ends.   You should have watched Live PD back when it was on A&E.

the plain view doctrine


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Re: WTF is wrong with Minnesota?
« Reply #1337 on: February 10, 2026, 03:56:40 PM »
At a legal checkpoint, the plain view doctrine allows law enforcement to seize evidence or establish probable cause for a full search without a warrant, provided specific criteria are met.

At a legal checkpoint, the plain view doctrine allows law enforcement to seize evidence or establish probable cause for a full search without a warrant, provided specific criteria are met.

Core Requirements for Plain View

1. Lawful Presence: The officer must be legally allowed to be where they are when they see the item (e.g., at a constitutionally valid DUI checkpoint or border stop.

2. Lawful Access: The officer must have a legal right to access the physical object itself.

3. Immediately Apparent Incrimination: The officer must have probable cause to believe the item is contraband or evidence of a crime immediately upon seeing it, without further investigation or moving the object.
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Re: WTF is wrong with Minnesota?
« Reply #1338 on: February 10, 2026, 04:02:10 PM »
Application at Checkpoints

*Initial Stop: Most checkpoints (DUI, immigration) are "suspicionless," meaning they don't require probable cause to stop you.

*Observation: While checking licenses or performing administrative tasks, officers can look into your vehicle. If they see something like an open alcohol container or illegal drugs, that "plain sight" observation creates probable cause.

*Scope of Search: Once probable cause is established via plain view, the Automobile Exception allows the officer to search the rest of the vehicle for further evidence.

*Limits: Officers cannot move jackets, open bags, or lean deeply into the car just to get a better look unless they already have probable cause. For example, in Arizona v. Hicks, moving a stereo to see its serial number was ruled an unconstitutional search.

Key Legal Precedents

--Horton v. California (1990): Clarified that the discovery of evidence does not need to be "inadvertent" to be valid under plain view.

--Michigan Dept. of State Police v. Sitz (1990): Upheld the constitutionality of sobriety checkpoints as a public safety measure.

--City of Indianapolis v. Edmond (2000): Ruled that checkpoints primarily for "general crime control" (like drug sweeps) are unconstitutional.
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Re: WTF is wrong with Minnesota?
« Reply #1339 on: February 10, 2026, 04:06:05 PM »
Quote from: ThePAMan on February 10, 2026, 03:29:26 PM
You should have watched Live PD back when it was on A&E.

Did that put you over the top on the bar exam?
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Re: WTF is wrong with Minnesota?
« Reply #1340 on: February 10, 2026, 04:23:58 PM »
Quote from: Reacher on February 10, 2026, 04:06:05 PM
Did that put you over the top on the bar exam?

It wasn't on then. Cops probably was on though.

One learned a lot of good stuff watching Live P.D.
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Re: WTF is wrong with Minnesota?
« Reply #1341 on: February 10, 2026, 05:10:38 PM »
Quote from: ThePAMan on February 10, 2026, 04:23:58 PM
It wasn't on then. Cops probably was on though.

One learned a lot of good stuff watching Live P.D.

Funny thing.

Tell a cop to run into a burning building he'll say you're fucking crazy.

Tell a firefighter to stand in front of a guy with a gun, he'll say you're fucking crazy.

We're not all the same.
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Re: WTF is wrong with Minnesota?
« Reply #1342 on: February 10, 2026, 05:22:01 PM »
Quote from: Jobu on February 10, 2026, 05:10:38 PM
Funny thing.

Tell a cop to run into a burning building he'll say you're fucking crazy.

Tell a firefighter to stand in front of a guy with a gun, he'll say you're fucking crazy.

We're not all the same.

I always enjoyed Emergency and Emergency 1. The Squad 51 alarm always went off when the mustachioed fire fighter was cooking.
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Re: WTF is wrong with Minnesota?
« Reply #1343 on: February 10, 2026, 05:38:06 PM »
We watched Cops and Live PD

Still occasionally watch Abrams show on Reelz.

Some of what police do is marginal. Use a minor improper lane usage or turn signal violation as probable cause to make a traffic stop. Then claim they smell marijuana ....
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Re: WTF is wrong with Minnesota?
« Reply #1344 on: February 10, 2026, 05:47:25 PM »
Quote from: illiniray on February 10, 2026, 05:38:06 PM
We watched Cops and Live PD

Still occasionally watch Abrams show on Reelz.

Some of what police do is marginal. Use a minor improper lane usage or turn signal violation as probable cause to make a traffic stop. Then claim they smell marijuana ....

Or see in the car a Bic pen barrel without the ink system....a "tooter"!
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Re: WTF is wrong with Minnesota?
« Reply #1345 on: February 10, 2026, 06:11:48 PM »
Quote from: ThePAMan on February 10, 2026, 05:47:25 PM
Or see in the car a Bic pen barrel without the ink system....a "tooter"!

Or see in the car a 37 year old mom aka domestic terrorist
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Re: WTF is wrong with Minnesota?
« Reply #1346 on: February 10, 2026, 06:12:59 PM »
Quote from: murphstahoe on February 10, 2026, 06:11:48 PM
Or see in the car a 37 year old mom aka domestic terrorist

Depends on which way she is turning the steering wheel.
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Re: WTF is wrong with Minnesota?
« Reply #1347 on: February 10, 2026, 06:57:03 PM »
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“I don’t hate immigrants. I just want them to do it the right way.”

I keep seeing this, and from people I consider reasonable and educated.

What you don’t understand is that your argument collapses the moment you look at reality.

Because the people being targeted DID do it the right way.

Trump has canceled temporary protection status for more than 1.5 million people.
His administration has revoked more than 100,000 visas.

Some of them for simple traffic violations.

Some for exercising their free speech, like making negative remarks about Charlie Kirk.

These are people who have passed extensive background checks, literally every 6-18 months.

They showed up to court.

They renewed their status.

They paid the fees.

They worked legally.

They studied legally.

They lived here for decades.

Some were literally standing at naturalization ceremonies.

And they still lost their status.

At this point, “the right way” isn’t a path.
It’s a moving target.

You complain about undocumented immigrants while supporting an administration that is taking legal immigrants and MAKING THEM UNDOCUMENTED??

They are also actively looking at avenues to denaturalize immigrants who have become citizens “the right way” by digging up old errors in paperwork.

You can’t scream compliance and then punish those who are compliant.

And if compliance doesn’t protect you, then this was never about legality.

It’s about who people think belongs. It’s about the color of your skin. It’s about prejudice, and it’s about race.
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Re: WTF is wrong with Minnesota?
« Reply #1348 on: February 10, 2026, 07:10:03 PM »
Emergency! Was the shit when I was a kid.
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Re: WTF is wrong with Minnesota?
« Reply #1349 on: February 10, 2026, 07:49:11 PM »
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