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WTF is wrong with Minnesota?

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Re: WTF is wrong with Minnesota?
« Reply #1320 on: February 09, 2026, 05:35:23 PM »
Dude you can’t tell the difference between the 14th and the 18th don’t be all I’m a constitutional scholar now

The 18th doesn't exist anymore.

You want to regulate guns like alcohol. Sorry, dude, California lost again and Americans have the right to own guns so criminals aren't the only ones with guns. Suck on that and like it.
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Re: WTF is wrong with Minnesota?
« Reply #1321 on: February 09, 2026, 05:59:00 PM »
The 18th doesn't exist anymore.

You want to regulate guns like alcohol. Sorry, dude, California lost again and Americans have the right to own guns so criminals aren't the only ones with guns. Suck on that and like it.

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Re: WTF is wrong with Minnesota?
« Reply #1322 on: February 09, 2026, 07:11:04 PM »
The 18th doesn't exist anymore.

You want to regulate guns like alcohol. Sorry, dude, California lost again and Americans have the right to own guns so criminals aren't the only ones with guns. Suck on that and like it.

according to you neither does the 14th

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Re: WTF is wrong with Minnesota?
« Reply #1323 on: February 09, 2026, 09:20:30 PM »
according to you neither does the 14th

In the case of regulating cars and intoxicants on one hand and guns on the other, the specific amendment will control the guns. So enjoy your 2d Amendment rights.
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Re: WTF is wrong with Minnesota?
« Reply #1324 on: February 09, 2026, 09:52:47 PM »
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United States courts have ruled on the constitutionality of various police checkpoints, establishing clear boundaries between acceptable administrative stops and unconstitutional,,,GENERAL crime-control measures. While courts have approved checkpoints for sobriety, license verification, and immigration, they have not approved checkpoints designed specifically to find unlicensed weapons, as such tactics are generally considered unconstitutional general crime control.

Here is a breakdown of the legal landscape:

1. The Supreme Court Ruling on General Crime Checkpoints

-The definitive case is City of Indianapolis v. Edmond (2001), where the U.S. Supreme Court ruled 6-3 that checkpoints whose primary purpose is to detect evidence of ordinary criminal wrongdoing (such as illegal drugs or unlicensed weapons) are unconstitutional.

-The Rationale: The Court determined that while stops for public safety (e.g., drunk driving or border security) are permissible, using checkpoints to catch "general crime" violates the Fourth Amendment protection against unreasonable search and seizure.

-The Line: If a,checkpoint is designed to,say, "see if you have a gun," it is likely illegal. If it is designed to check for a driver's license and the officer happens to see an illegal gun in plain view, that may be admissible.

2. Legal vs. Illegal Checkpoints

-Legal (Administrative/Regulatory): Sobriety checkpoints, border patrols, and license/registration checks are generally legal because they have a specific, non-investigatory purpose.

-Illegal (General Crime Control): Checkpoints aimed at searching for illegal drugs, unlicensed weapons, or "crime" in high-crime areas are prohibited.
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Re: WTF is wrong with Minnesota?
« Reply #1325 on: February 09, 2026, 11:36:48 PM »
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United States courts have ruled on the constitutionality of various police checkpoints, establishing clear boundaries between acceptable administrative stops and unconstitutional,,,GENERAL crime-control measures. While courts have approved checkpoints for sobriety, license verification, and immigration, they have not approved checkpoints designed specifically to find unlicensed weapons, as such tactics are generally considered unconstitutional general crime control.

Here is a breakdown of the legal landscape:

1. The Supreme Court Ruling on General Crime Checkpoints

-The definitive case is City of Indianapolis v. Edmond (2001), where the U.S. Supreme Court ruled 6-3 that checkpoints whose primary purpose is to detect evidence of ordinary criminal wrongdoing (such as illegal drugs or unlicensed weapons) are unconstitutional.

-The Rationale: The Court determined that while stops for public safety (e.g., drunk driving or border security) are permissible, using checkpoints to catch "general crime" violates the Fourth Amendment protection against unreasonable search and seizure.

-The Line: If a,checkpoint is designed to,say, "see if you have a gun," it is likely illegal. If it is designed to check for a driver's license and the officer happens to see an illegal gun in plain view, that may be admissible.

2. Legal vs. Illegal Checkpoints

-Legal (Administrative/Regulatory): Sobriety checkpoints, border patrols, and license/registration checks are generally legal because they have a specific, non-investigatory purpose.

-Illegal (General Crime Control): Checkpoints aimed at searching for illegal drugs, unlicensed weapons, or "crime" in high-crime areas are prohibited.

So you can't check for guns but you can check for sobriety thanks to the Second Amendment.

Why do the Progressives, like Murph and Tempo, hate our Constitutional freedoms? Go ride your bike in Russia or China where the ordinary guy can't afford cars, commies!
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Re: WTF is wrong with Minnesota?
« Reply #1326 on: February 09, 2026, 11:40:15 PM »
So you can't check for guns but you can check for sobriety thanks to the Second Amendment.

Why do the Progressives, like Murph and Tempo, hate our Constitutional freedoms? Go ride your bike in Russia or China where the ordinary guy can't afford cars, commies!

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Re: WTF is wrong with Minnesota?
« Reply #1327 on: February 10, 2026, 07:33:23 AM »
So you can't check for guns but you can check for sobriety thanks to the Second Amendment.

Why do the Progressives, like Murph and Tempo, hate our Constitutional freedoms? Go ride your bike in Russia or China where the ordinary guy can't afford cars, commies!

I haven't really been following this moronic conversation very closely, but I've always felt dui checkpoints were unconstitutional.
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Re: WTF is wrong with Minnesota?
« Reply #1328 on: February 10, 2026, 10:06:10 AM »
Moronic conversations can be enlightening.

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Re: WTF is wrong with Minnesota?
« Reply #1329 on: February 10, 2026, 10:14:31 AM »
I haven't really been following this moronic conversation very closely, but I've always felt dui checkpoints were unconstitutional.

well then let's all go get wasted and kill a few families in car wrecks!

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Re: WTF is wrong with Minnesota?
« Reply #1330 on: February 10, 2026, 02:04:17 PM »
So you can't check for guns but you can check for sobriety thanks to the Second Amendment.

No. Because of the 4th Amendment.
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Re: WTF is wrong with Minnesota?
« Reply #1331 on: February 10, 2026, 02:18:22 PM »
So you can't check for guns but you can check for sobriety thanks to the Second Amendment.

Why do the Progressives, like Murph and Tempo, hate our Constitutional freedoms? Go ride your bike in Russia or China where the ordinary guy can't afford cars, commies!

Again, the applicable amendment is the 4th..Checkpoints for sobriety, licenses, insurance are dubious, but constitutional under federal law..

Checkpoints for guns, drugs, stolen goods, etc. are not.

Things like probable cause and judicial warrants come into play.

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Re: WTF is wrong with Minnesota?
« Reply #1332 on: February 10, 2026, 02:28:52 PM »
Checkpoints for sobriety, licenses, insurance are dubious, but constitutional under federal law..

What about checkpoints for Proof of Citizenship?

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Re: WTF is wrong with Minnesota?
« Reply #1333 on: February 10, 2026, 02:30:53 PM »
No. Because of the 4th Amendment.

You sure that's the reason?
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Re: WTF is wrong with Minnesota?
« Reply #1334 on: February 10, 2026, 02:51:03 PM »
You sure that's the reason?

Yes. Has to do with probable cause.

"Checkpoints are a complex legal area: they are generally constitutional under federal law for specific purposes like sobriety or license checks if done systematically and briefly, balancing public safety against Fourth Amendment rights, but some state constitutions ban them, and general crime control checkpoints are often ruled unconstitutional, requiring strict procedures like advance warning and clear guidelines for officer discretion.' -- AI
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