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WTF is wrong with Minnesota?

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Re: WTF is wrong with Minnesota?
« Reply #405 on: January 08, 2026, 03:30:09 PM »
Quote from: illiniray on January 08, 2026, 03:25:01 PM
I thought the front wheels were spinning and she was headed straight for the agent? I haven't seen that.

You can’t see the front wheels spin as she hit the gas? If she didn’t actually hit him it was *only* because of that momentary loss of traction.
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Re: WTF is wrong with Minnesota?
« Reply #406 on: January 08, 2026, 03:34:08 PM »
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Re: WTF is wrong with Minnesota?
« Reply #407 on: January 08, 2026, 03:35:15 PM »
Quote from: ThePAMan on January 08, 2026, 02:56:49 PM
Sure seems like the officer violated DHS policy...

https://www.cbsnews.com/minnesota/news/dhs-policy-on-use-of-force-says-it-must-be-objectively-reasonable-cant-be-used-to-stop-someone-fleeing/?utm_source=substack&utm_medium=email

Definitely wasn’t trying to stop her from fleeing and I don’t think anyone is arguing that in his defense.
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Re: WTF is wrong with Minnesota?
« Reply #408 on: January 08, 2026, 03:35:22 PM »
Quote from: Custard on January 08, 2026, 03:30:09 PM
You can’t see the front wheels spin as she hit the gas? If she didn’t actually hit him it was *only* because of that momentary loss of traction.

I haven't seen any video that shows that.
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Re: WTF is wrong with Minnesota?
« Reply #409 on: January 08, 2026, 03:36:42 PM »
Quote from: Custard on January 08, 2026, 03:35:15 PM
Definitely wasn’t trying to stop her from fleeing and I don’t think anyone is arguing that in his defense.

Are we even discussing the same incident?
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Re: WTF is wrong with Minnesota?
« Reply #410 on: January 08, 2026, 03:39:15 PM »
Quote from: murphstahoe on January 08, 2026, 10:40:40 AM
Now you're starting to get it.

I've had a pretty good understanding of how it works for a long while.



You can either acknowledge the system for what it is and make it work for you, or you can spend a lifetime bitching and moaning about why it’s not better. Nothing short of a huge movement is going to upset the power balance and structure of this country and we aren’t even remotely close to that point. You and I chose the first option. Others choose the second and wonder why they can’t ever get ahead.
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Re: WTF is wrong with Minnesota?
« Reply #411 on: January 08, 2026, 03:39:44 PM »
Quote from: illiniray on January 08, 2026, 03:36:42 PM
Are we even discussing the same incident?

I believe so, yes. What am I missing?
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Re: WTF is wrong with Minnesota?
« Reply #412 on: January 08, 2026, 03:51:03 PM »
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Re: WTF is wrong with Minnesota?
« Reply #413 on: January 08, 2026, 03:52:23 PM »
If anyone has an SUV try calling a friend, or enemy, and ask him/her if he/she would stand in front of your left front tire.
Tell the person that once you hit the gas that they should bend over to see which way the tires are headed.

If the person lives thru it, you can do it again with a different scenario.
Ask the person to stand in front of the driver's side tire.
But this time, instead of bending over to look at the direction of the tires, when you hit the gas ask the person to assess whether you were going to run them over or if you had full intention of turning the steering wheel.
Give them about 1/4 second to answer.
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Re: WTF is wrong with Minnesota?
« Reply #414 on: January 08, 2026, 04:03:41 PM »
Quote from: No one in Mn on January 08, 2026, 03:52:23 PM
If anyone has an SUV try calling a friend, or enemy, and ask him/her if he/she would stand in front of your left front tire.
Tell the person that once you hit the gas that they should bend over to see which way the tires are headed.

If the person lives thru it, you can do it again with a different scenario.
Ask the person to stand in front of the driver's side tire.
But this time, instead of bending over to look at the direction of the tires, when you hit the gas ask the person to assess whether you were going to run them over or if you had full intention of turning the steering wheel.
Give them about 1/4 second to answer.

It does appear he had time to put his phone down and draw his weapon
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Re: WTF is wrong with Minnesota?
« Reply #415 on: January 08, 2026, 04:07:11 PM »
Quote from: illiniray on January 08, 2026, 03:25:01 PM
I thought the front wheels were spinning and she was headed straight for the agent? I haven't seen that.

The second and third shots from the agent were to make sure she was dead, so that she can't testify that she was trying to get away, not run over the agent. Looking at her background - "I kill cops" isn't in her resume, but on the stand, no jury gonna go "yup, this confused lesbian was going 'I wanna kill. I wanna KILL. I WANNA KILL'"

Look at the way the wheels were spinning all you want. Anyone who characterizes her as intending to kill the agent is a moron. The only way that you could come to the conclusion she was trying to hit the agent was that he had a gun and SHE was doing it in self defense. But that's not what happened. She was just some random lady scared out of her wits.
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Re: WTF is wrong with Minnesota?
« Reply #416 on: January 08, 2026, 04:23:47 PM »
Quote from: No one in Mn on January 08, 2026, 03:52:23 PM
If anyone has an SUV try calling a friend, or enemy, and ask him/her if he/she would stand in front of your left front tire.
Tell the person that once you hit the gas that they should bend over to see which way the tires are headed.

If the person lives thru it, you can do it again with a different scenario.
Ask the person to stand in front of the driver's side tire.
But this time, instead of bending over to look at the direction of the tires, when you hit the gas ask the person to assess whether you were going to run them over or if you had full intention of turning the steering wheel.
Give them about 1/4 second to answer.

1. wtf was he doing in front of the vehicle in the first place?
2. He had time to get out of the way even if the vehicle wasn't obviously turning
3. You don't need to look at the wheels to see a vehicle is turning
4. The vehicle was turning and the agent was clear when he fired the first shot.
5. By the time the 2nd shot was fired, the vehicle appears to have completed the turn.
6. Snap decisions have to be  made. That is why you don't position yourself in front of a running vehicle.
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Re: WTF is wrong with Minnesota?
« Reply #417 on: January 08, 2026, 04:32:46 PM »
Quote from: Custard on January 08, 2026, 03:35:15 PM
Definitely wasn’t trying to stop her from fleeing and I don’t think anyone is arguing that in his defense.
Correct.
She didn't roll down the window to say 'Mr. Officer, I'm not going to run you over, I'm just trying to flee.'
What the woman was, or wasn't thinking, is irrelevant.

And DHS policy may be to not shoot at a fleeing vehicle.
A lethal threat headed towards an officer is the issue. The woman is not on trial where her intent will be questioned.
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Re: WTF is wrong with Minnesota?
« Reply #418 on: January 08, 2026, 04:57:53 PM »
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Re: WTF is wrong with Minnesota?
« Reply #419 on: January 08, 2026, 05:00:19 PM »
Quote from: Custard on January 08, 2026, 03:39:15 PM
I've had a pretty good understanding of how it works for a long while.



You can either acknowledge the system for what it is and make it work for you, or you can spend a lifetime bitching and moaning about why it’s not better. Nothing short of a huge movement is going to upset the power balance and structure of this country and we aren’t even remotely close to that point. You and I chose the first option. Others choose the second and wonder why they can’t ever get ahead.

It’s amazing to me that Custard thinks George Carlin would be on his side or empathize with him. He loathed right-wingers and would be a leading anti-Trump critic if still alive.
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