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WTF is wrong with Minnesota?

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Re: WTF is wrong with Minnesota?
« Reply #105 on: December 28, 2025, 02:47:23 PM »
The fringe right has been trying to stem the flood of unwanted immigrants since the colonial era. It's never actually been anti-immigrant. More like anti certain immigrants. It used to be Germans, Chinese, Irish,  Italians, Eastern Europeans, Catholics, Jews ...  Now it's Mexicans, Haitians, Muslims, or anyone that looks like them.

Most people don't know we essentially had open borders until 1924, or that illegal entry was a civil offence from 1924 - 1986.

Very few people oppose fair, common sense enforcement of our immigration laws that respect due process.

Fear and loathing of hordes of invading immigrants replacing them keeps the MAGA base vigilant..
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Re: WTF is wrong with Minnesota?
« Reply #106 on: December 28, 2025, 03:34:47 PM »

Very few people oppose fair, common sense enforcement of our immigration laws that respect due process.

The Biden administration thumbed their noses at this idea.
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Re: WTF is wrong with Minnesota?
« Reply #107 on: December 28, 2025, 03:47:50 PM »
The Biden [Trump] administration thumbed their noses at this idea.
Thanks, [Donnie] Joe.

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Re: WTF is wrong with Minnesota?
« Reply #108 on: December 28, 2025, 05:42:36 PM »
The Biden administration thumbed their noses at this idea.
Thanks, Joe.

AI Overview
Under former President Joe Biden, immigration enforcement involved a shift in priorities, leading to record high border encounters and an emphasis on legal pathways, while resulting in a significant increase in overall deportations/expulsions by the end of his term, though interior arrests of non-priority individuals decreased.

Key Policies and Shifts

Enforcement Priorities: The Biden administration directed Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE) to focus interior enforcement efforts primarily on individuals posing threats to national security, border security, or public safety (e.g., serious criminals and recent border-crossers). This resulted in fewer arrests and deportations for less serious offenses compared to the prior administration.

Border Wall Construction Halted: On his first day in office, President Biden issued a proclamation to pause and ultimately end construction of the U.S.-Mexico border wall, redirecting the funds.

Title 42 and MPP: The administration initially sought to end the Trump-era Migrant Protection Protocols (MPP, or "Remain in Mexico" policy) and the Title 42 public health expulsion authority. However, due to litigation and ongoing border challenges, Title 42 remained in effect until May 2023, and MPP was briefly reinstated before being wound down in August 2022.

Legal Pathways & Humanitarian Parole:

The administration expanded legal avenues for migration, including the use of the CBP One mobile app for scheduling asylum appointments at ports of entry, and created humanitarian parole programs for migrants from countries like Cuba, Haiti, Nicaragua, and Venezuela.
Asylum Restrictions: After Title 42 ended, new asylum restrictions were implemented, which presumed migrants crossing the border unlawfully were ineligible for asylum unless they used a legal pathway or demonstrated exceptionally compelling circumstances.

Border Shutdown Executive Order: In June 2024, Biden authorized an executive order to temporarily shut down the southern border to asylum seekers if the average daily encounters exceeded a certain threshold (2,500 per day in a given week), allowing for immediate removal of those without a "credible fear" of persecution.

Enforcement Results and Statistics

Border Encounters: The U.S.-Mexico border experienced record-high migrant encounters, reaching nearly 2.5 million in fiscal year (FY) 2023, though this number includes repeat crossers.

Deportations and Expulsions: The total number of deportations and expulsions under the Biden administration was substantial. Combining Title 42 expulsions with formal removals, the administration oversaw over 4.4 million repatriations, more than any single presidential term since the George W. Bush era.

In FY 2024, deportations surged to a 10-year high, with 271,000 unauthorized immigrants removed, surpassing the Trump administration's highest annual total.

Interior Enforcement: Interior arrests by ICE decreased significantly due to the narrowed enforcement priorities. Arrests of "criminal aliens" dropped by 57% and deportations of this group fell by 67% in the first three fiscal years compared to the Trump administration.

Legal Immigration: Legal immigration levels and naturalizations reached new highs, with nearly 3.5 million immigrants becoming U.S. citizens during his term and refugee caps increased.

AI Overview
Estimates of the net increase in the unauthorized immigrant population during the Biden administration vary among research organizations, but most indicate a significant surge. The total current unauthorized immigrant population is estimated to be between approximately 13.7 million and 18.6 million as of late 2024/early 2025.

Net Increase

The net increase refers to new arrivals minus those who left the U.S. (emigration, deportations, or adjustments to legal status) or died.

Pew Research Center estimated an increase of 3.5 million between January 2021 and the end of 2023.

The Center for Immigration Studies (CIS), which adjusts for potential undercounts, estimated the population grew by about 2.5 million (unadjusted) or possibly more between January 2021 and October 2023.

The Federation for American Immigration Reform (FAIR) estimates a total increase of 4.1 million from December 2020 to
March 2025.

One analysis suggests the net increase in the illegal immigrant population could be in the range of 5.5 to 6 million during the Biden administration based on exceeding pre-2020 immigration trends.

Current Total Population

Estimates for the total number of unauthorized immigrants in the U.S. also vary depending on methodology and the time frame of data collection, with more recent estimates from 2024 and 2025 reflecting the significant recent growth.

Pew Research Center estimated the population at a record 14 million in 2023.

The Migration Policy Institute (MPI) estimated the population at 13.7 million in mid-2023.

FAIR released a 2025 report estimating the total number of illegal immigrants in the U.S. as high as 18.6 million as of March 2025.

Some analyses, such as one from the Heritage Foundation, estimate the number to be around 15.9 million after accounting for some attrition from initial inflows.

These figures are estimates, as accurately counting an undocumented population is inherently difficult due to the challenges of data collection.
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Re: WTF is wrong with Minnesota?
« Reply #109 on: December 28, 2025, 09:31:33 PM »
Fear and loathing of hordes of invading immigrants replacing them keeps the MAGA base vigilant..

Turns out letting millions of unvetted people in during the span of a few years was deeply unpopular and played a big role in getting Trump reelected.

I’m certainly not worrying about getting replaced by these people, I just  think the Biden administration was insanely reckless and a lot of those people didn’t need to be here.
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Re: WTF is wrong with Minnesota?
« Reply #110 on: December 28, 2025, 09:34:53 PM »


I think it’s accurate to call millions of people a “horde”
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Re: WTF is wrong with Minnesota?
« Reply #111 on: December 28, 2025, 10:01:52 PM »
Turns out letting millions of unvetted people in during the span of a few years was deeply unpopular and played a big role in getting Trump reelected.

Nevermind that it didn't actually happen.
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Re: WTF is wrong with Minnesota?
« Reply #112 on: December 28, 2025, 10:14:10 PM »
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No, the Biden administration has not allowed unvetted immigrants into the country; instead, all individuals entering the U.S. through official channels undergo security screening and vetting processes. The claim that immigrants are "unvetted" often stems from political criticism of specific programs like humanitarian parole and the high volume of border encounters, but these individuals are still processed by U.S. government agencies.

Vetting Procedures

All individuals seeking admission to the United States, whether through standard visa processes, refugee resettlement, or humanitarian programs, are subject to security vetting.

Standard Vetting: Vetting is conducted by various U.S. agencies, including the Department of Homeland Security (DHS), U.S. Citizenship and Immigration Services (USCIS), and the State Department. It involves comprehensive background checks, checking government watchlists, and reviewing law enforcement and immigration records.

Parole Programs: The Biden administration has used humanitarian parole programs on a large scale for individuals from countries like Afghanistan, Ukraine, Haiti, Cuba, Nicaragua, and Venezuela. Participants in these programs must have a U.S.-based sponsor and undergo "rigorous security vetting" and background checks before being permitted entry to live and work temporarily in the U.S..

Asylum Seekers: Migrants apprehended at the border or who use the CBP One app to schedule asylum appointments are processed by DHS and issued a notice to appear for court proceedings. Due to high volumes, some migrants have been released into the U.S. pending their asylum claims because of a lack of detention space, a practice that has drawn criticism, but they are still formally processed into the immigration system.

Enhanced Screening: The administration has at times enhanced screening measures, such as reducing the validity period for some employment authorization documents to ensure more frequent vetting and addressing potential fraud risks in certain applications.

The narrative of "unvetted" immigrants is generally disputed by U.S. government officials and some third-party analyses, who state that security screenings are a required part of all formal entry pathways.
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Re: WTF is wrong with Minnesota?
« Reply #113 on: December 28, 2025, 10:17:01 PM »
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No, the Biden administration has not allowed unvetted immigrants into the country; instead, all individuals entering the U.S. through official channels undergo security screening and vetting processes. The claim that immigrants are "unvetted" often stems from political criticism of specific programs like humanitarian parole and the high volume of border encounters, but these individuals are still processed by U.S. government agencies.

Vetting Procedures

All individuals seeking admission to the United States, whether through standard visa processes, refugee resettlement, or humanitarian programs, are subject to security vetting.

Standard Vetting: Vetting is conducted by various U.S. agencies, including the Department of Homeland Security (DHS), U.S. Citizenship and Immigration Services (USCIS), and the State Department. It involves comprehensive background checks, checking government watchlists, and reviewing law enforcement and immigration records.

Parole Programs: The Biden administration has used humanitarian parole programs on a large scale for individuals from countries like Afghanistan, Ukraine, Haiti, Cuba, Nicaragua, and Venezuela. Participants in these programs must have a U.S.-based sponsor and undergo "rigorous security vetting" and background checks before being permitted entry to live and work temporarily in the U.S..

Asylum Seekers: Migrants apprehended at the border or who use the CBP One app to schedule asylum appointments are processed by DHS and issued a notice to appear for court proceedings. Due to high volumes, some migrants have been released into the U.S. pending their asylum claims because of a lack of detention space, a practice that has drawn criticism, but they are still formally processed into the immigration system.

Enhanced Screening: The administration has at times enhanced screening measures, such as reducing the validity period for some employment authorization documents to ensure more frequent vetting and addressing potential fraud risks in certain applications.

The narrative of "unvetted" immigrants is generally disputed by U.S. government officials and some third-party analyses, who state that security screenings are a required part of all formal entry pathways.

😂 you’re fucking insane if you believe that!!!

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No, the Biden administration has not allowed unvetted immigrants into the country; instead, all individuals entering the U.S. through official channels undergo security screening and vetting processes. The claim that immigrants are "unvetted" often stems from political criticism of specific programs like humanitarian parole and the high volume of border encounters, but these individuals are still processed by U.S. government agencies.”
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Re: WTF is wrong with Minnesota?
« Reply #114 on: December 28, 2025, 10:44:54 PM »
You are insane if you believe Trump's lies.
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Re: WTF is wrong with Minnesota?
« Reply #115 on: December 28, 2025, 10:50:53 PM »
AI Overview

The connotation of "horde" is generally negative or neutral-to-negative, implying a vast, chaotic, and often wild or unruly mass of people or creatures, carrying feelings of being overwhelmed, threatening, or uncivilized, stemming from its origin with nomadic warrior tribes like the Mongols.

While it can just mean a large crowd (hordes of tourists), it often suggests a disorganized, sometimes aggressive swarm that lacks control or pleasant manners, unlike a mere "crowd" or "group".

Key Connotations:

Disorder & Chaos: A teeming, unorganized mass, often moving together unpredictably, like "hordes of locusts" or "hordes of fans".

Threat & Ferocity: Historically linked to "barbarian hordes," implying invaders or overwhelming, fierce forces, as seen in fantasy like Warcraft.

Overwhelming Numbers: Suggests an uncontrollable, vast quantity that can be stressful or daunting, even if not hostile (e.g., "hordes of people" at a sale).

Nomadic/Tribal Roots: Derived from Turkic words for "camp" or "army," referring to nomadic groups, which adds a wild, untamed feel.

Examples in Context:

Negative: "Angry hordes parading victims".

Neutral/Overwhelmed: "Hordes of students on bikes made crossing the road difficult".

Historical: "Mongol hordes rode through Termez".

https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/horde
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Re: WTF is wrong with Minnesota?
« Reply #116 on: December 28, 2025, 11:12:31 PM »
Nevermind that it didn't actually happen.

I asked how much vetting occurred during the migration surge under Biden:

•  Volume overwhelming resources → Leading to rushed processing.
•  Limited access → To foreign criminal databases (many countries do not share records, especially poorer or unstable ones like Venezuela or Haiti).
•  Self-reported information → Often unverifiable.
•  Reduced questioning → For certain nationalities (e.g., Chinese migrants) to speed processing.

A DHS OIG report found screening “not fully effective,” with incomplete data and gaps in recurrent vetting until later stages (often years). At least 99 watchlist individuals were released into the U.S. between FY2021–2023 due to initial clears or errors.

Unvetted Crossings: Gotaways

An estimated 1.5–2 million “gotaways” (migrants detected evading capture via surveillance but not apprehended) received no vetting at all—no biometrics, no database checks. These represent a complete bypass of screening.

Terrorism Watchlist Encounters

Over 380–400 individuals on the terrorist watchlist were encountered at the southwest border under Biden (vs. fewer than 20 total under Trump), mostly leading to detention or removal, but some releases occurred.

In summary, while encountered migrants underwent database screening (more than zero vetting but limited in depth and reliability), the record volume strained the system, and gotaways highlight a significant portion with effectively no vetting.

Official DHS/CBP sources emphasize robust processes for encounters, while independent and oversight reports highlight shortcomings exacerbated by the surge.
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Re: WTF is wrong with Minnesota?
« Reply #117 on: December 28, 2025, 11:14:28 PM »
AI Overview

The connotation of "horde" is generally negative or neutral-to-negative, implying a vast, chaotic, and often wild or unruly mass of people or creatures, carrying feelings of being overwhelmed, threatening, or uncivilized, stemming from its origin with nomadic warrior tribes like the Mongols.

While it can just mean a large crowd (hordes of tourists), it often suggests a disorganized, sometimes aggressive swarm that lacks control or pleasant manners, unlike a mere "crowd" or "group".

Key Connotations:

Disorder & Chaos: A teeming, unorganized mass, often moving together unpredictably, like "hordes of locusts" or "hordes of fans".

Threat & Ferocity: Historically linked to "barbarian hordes," implying invaders or overwhelming, fierce forces, as seen in fantasy like Warcraft.

Overwhelming Numbers: Suggests an uncontrollable, vast quantity that can be stressful or daunting, even if not hostile (e.g., "hordes of people" at a sale).

Nomadic/Tribal Roots: Derived from Turkic words for "camp" or "army," referring to nomadic groups, which adds a wild, untamed feel.

Examples in Context:

Negative: "Angry hordes parading victims".

Neutral/Overwhelmed: "Hordes of students on bikes made crossing the road difficult".

Historical: "Mongol hordes rode through Termez".

https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/horde

Are you now arguing that the surge in border crossings was well-organized?
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Re: WTF is wrong with Minnesota?
« Reply #118 on: December 28, 2025, 11:23:43 PM »
It’s ok, only at least 1.5-2 MILLION people entered the country with zero vetting. A bunch more than that entered with minimal or spotty vetting. What’s a better word I can use to describe these millions than “horde?”
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Re: WTF is wrong with Minnesota?
« Reply #119 on: December 29, 2025, 12:13:23 AM »
"He commented more than once that, 'You know, Hitler did some good things, too,'" Kelly recalled to The Times. Kelly said he would usually quash the conversation by saying "nothing (Hitler) did, you could argue, was good," but that Trump would occasionally bring up the topic again.