time for brad to go

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Re: time for brad to go

« Reply #15 on: March 24, 2025, 06:58:34 AM »

Quote from: Miles Leonard on March 24, 2025, 01:11:57 AM

I don't know that I can beat up Brad too much for what happened today. There isn't an adjustment out there you can make for constantly giving away possessions with very cavalier ball security. And yes, I'm looking at you, KJ. Good luck trying to be a Harlem Globetrotter in the NBA.

Changes definitely have to be made in staff/philosophy, however. Brad needs to surround himself some solid x's and o's guys on both sides of the ball so he can focus on being the CEO of the operation.

Defense: No more drop coverage. Someone tell Brad, Hamer or whoever was running the defense that sitting back and allowing one guy to pick his spot over and over again is not a winning defensive strategy. A wide open midrange jumper is not a "tough two." Even 93 year old Loren Tate could knock that down with ease.

Offense: How about some more ball movement, cutting to the basket and driving to the hoop instead of trying to hold your own 3 point contest every game? Two point shots are still very much a thing, Brad.

You say there are no adjustments that could be made and then suggest adjustments that should be made....

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Re: time for brad to go

« Reply #16 on: March 24, 2025, 07:41:54 AM »

Quote from: ILLove1997 on March 23, 2025, 08:52:44 PM

Honestly this year went about as well as I expected with so many new faces

This is the era of new faces every year. Rosters aren’t sticking around 4-5 years anymore.

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Re: time for brad to go

« Reply #17 on: March 24, 2025, 07:44:11 AM »

Quote from: Custard’s Uber Driver on March 24, 2025, 07:41:54 AM

This is the era of new faces every year. Rosters aren’t sticking around 4-5 years anymore.

Agreed, however just before this year our own coach stated "we" needed to get old and stay old....then goes and plays (has to) 3 freshman a lot of minutes all year and in the most important game against mostly grad's upperclassmen.

Hmmm

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Re: time for brad to go

« Reply #18 on: March 24, 2025, 07:46:56 AM »

Quote from: Custard on March 23, 2025, 11:09:25 PM

This would have been our 6th tourney in a row had the one not been cancelled to flatten the curve. All but one of those years would have been a 6 seed or better, signaling top 25 caliber team. 6 20 win seasons in a row which is surprisingly rare. At the top of the league for conference wins over that span. Putting some guys in the league. I had a lot of concerns going into this year and predicted we could have a season like UCLA did last year with a whole new roster and overseas players, but we outdid that by a fair amount.

There is no doubt the program is in good to great shape, but the OTTM results are concerning. Still think it’s a “bite at the apple” game as much as anything, get to the tourney every year with a decent seed, and try to go on a run. Staffs don’t win the way we have the last 5-6 years without good talent evaluation, development, and coaching. We have been scoring at historic rates the last couple of seasons, up amongst the best teams we’ve ever had. On the other hand, the defense has been hot garbage for stretches. Despite the E8 run last year, I think some change needs to be made on the staff to specifically address the defensive woes, even if it’s mostly just an appeasement thing. Not sure the way that the staff wants to play offense is really conducive to having an exceptional defense, kind of like a better version of Iowa.

Anyways hope they figure some shit out and kill it in the portal the next few months. When I think back to the 11-12 years prior to Underwood rescuing us, it reminds me how far we have come and how they’ve continued to adjust and stay relevant. Also, don’t forget to donate early and often to the NIL collective.

Reminds me of the Henson years. Which in the moment were a bit frustrating, but in hindsight pretty good.

I wouldn’t launch Brad just to launch him, but I’m not ruling out the possibility we could do better.

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Re: time for brad to go

« Reply #19 on: March 24, 2025, 07:48:06 AM »

Several years later I’m still at the “wouldn’t be entirely busted up if he left” stance.

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Re: time for brad to go

« Reply #20 on: March 24, 2025, 07:50:34 AM »

Quote from: Custard’s Uber Driver on March 24, 2025, 07:48:06 AM

Several years later I’m still at the “wouldn’t be entirely busted up if he left” stance.

Whitman if he does this needs to be like the Texas AD though, had the football replacement set before firing, now had the basketball coach ready to go before firing.

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Re: time for brad to go

« Reply #21 on: March 24, 2025, 08:20:41 AM »

Quote from: Custard’s Uber Driver on March 24, 2025, 07:41:54 AM

This is the era of new faces every year. Rosters aren’t sticking around 4-5 years anymore.

To be fair we had one guy (who barely played) return from last year’s veteran team, and had 11 new faces. Purdue, poster child for development and retention, returned most of their team from a year ago, and had a season about like ours. We were the least experienced team in the round of 32. So it was a pretty extreme case, and maybe if guys like Dainja, Harris, Hansberry return we have some more continuity, but think it’s unlikely that group would have gotten us any farther than the group we had did.

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Re: time for brad to go

« Reply #22 on: March 24, 2025, 08:25:28 AM »

Quote from: Custard on March 23, 2025, 11:09:25 PM

This would have been our 6th tourney in a row had the one not been cancelled to flatten the curve. All but one of those years would have been a 6 seed or better, signaling top 25 caliber team. 6 20 win seasons in a row which is surprisingly rare. At the top of the league for conference wins over that span. Putting some guys in the league. I had a lot of concerns going into this year and predicted we could have a season like UCLA did last year with a whole new roster and overseas players, but we outdid that by a fair amount.

There is no doubt the program is in good to great shape, but the OTTM results are concerning. Still think it’s a “bite at the apple” game as much as anything, get to the tourney every year with a decent seed, and try to go on a run. Staffs don’t win the way we have the last 5-6 years without good talent evaluation, development, and coaching. We have been scoring at historic rates the last couple of seasons, up amongst the best teams we’ve ever had. On the other hand, the defense has been hot garbage for stretches. Despite the E8 run last year, I think some change needs to be made on the staff to specifically address the defensive woes, even if it’s mostly just an appeasement thing. Not sure the way that the staff wants to play offense is really conducive to having an exceptional defense, kind of like a better version of Iowa.

Anyways hope they figure some shit out and kill it in the portal the next few months. When I think back to the 11-12 years prior to Underwood rescuing us, it reminds me how far we have come and how they’ve continued to adjust and stay relevant. Also, don’t forget to donate early and often to the NIL collective.

I agree with this. We have had glaring technical deficits and it seems like we've had to play the right 5 guys to ever play lockdown man defense. Kentucky ran a bunch of standard-playbook well-coached high school plays and our guys didn't have good natural reactions, like how to defend a backdoor cut or a high screen.

With Brad we have reliable tournament-quality teams with the occasional deeper run if we have a guy like Ayo or TSJ. That's better than Groce or Weber and equal to Henson or what Kruger would have done here long-term. I'm sort-of okay with that. I can't fault him for a 6-seed losing to a 3-seed that played well. I can fault him for Loyola, which was a disaster, and at some point not ever pulling off a big-game win vs equals or an upset (Houston, UConn, Arkansas) should sink him because it's an indictment of his coaching at a higher level vs that next level of coach, but I'm not quite there yet.

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Re: time for brad to go

« Reply #23 on: March 24, 2025, 08:44:13 AM »

in all seriousness.

Has Underwood gotten better as a coach since he started here?

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Re: time for brad to go

« Reply #24 on: March 24, 2025, 08:55:16 AM »

Quote from: Custard on March 24, 2025, 08:20:41 AM

We were the least experienced team in the round of 32. So it was a pretty extreme case, and maybe if guys like Dainja, Harris, Hansberry return we have some more continuity, but think it’s unlikely that group would have gotten us any farther than the group we had did.

^^^^ This, however, we were the least experienced based on who's decisions or partly due too? If BU chooses for whatever reason to rebuild every year (and I think he is good at it to some extent), then what are we to expect and or be comfortable with as fans. The occasional deep run? That's never been the case and I would hope never will be.

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Re: time for brad to go

« Reply #25 on: March 24, 2025, 09:21:12 AM »

Why did Ty Rodgers red shirt, other than the 'he's working on his point guard game' story ?
We could have used him.

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Re: time for brad to go

« Reply #26 on: March 24, 2025, 09:29:20 AM »

I don’t think the plan was to go as young as we ended up. Missed on some experienced guys (Brea, for example) and went with “best available.”

Hoping having Antigua for a full recruiting cycle will help. I can’t stress enough that the name of the game in player acquisition these days is having bags of NIL money first, brand name/developmental history second. And everything needs to be looked at through that lens. We have a pretty decent bag, but we need more to get where we want to be.

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Re: time for brad to go

« Reply #27 on: March 24, 2025, 09:39:56 AM »

Quote from: bringbackself on March 24, 2025, 08:44:13 AM

in all seriousness.

Has Underwood gotten better as a coach since he started here?

As a “coach?” I’d say no, not really. As a program leader? I’d say yes.

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Re: time for brad to go

« Reply #28 on: March 24, 2025, 10:28:53 AM »

I think he's gotten better at talent evaluation and individual player management, but not as a game coach.

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Re: time for brad to go

« Reply #29 on: March 24, 2025, 10:45:41 AM »

I don’t think Underwood is a world class X and O guy, and is annoyingly stubborn like most coaches to an extent. But you have to remember the first couple of years here he was running pressure D and a spread offense that worked well for him at SFA and OKSU and got him this job.

He’s done pretty well at adjusting the schemes to the personnel and league over the years, evolving to a pack line defense and on offense running high/low with Giorgi and Kofi, PnR with Ayo and Kofi with kickouts, Booty Ball with Domask, having TSJ run downhill into contact whenever we needed something in the half court, going 5 out with bigs that can shoot. Our offense has ranked among the best in the country the last two years with completely different personnel.

In game adjustments don’t seem to be great, and there are times the teams just don’t seem to be prepared, but I imagine that every fanbase would say that about their coach. At the end of the day though in this mercenary market it’s probably more about the Jimmies and Joes than ever before.

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