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Re: Morez Johnson out
« Reply #30 on: February 20, 2025, 12:46:30 PM »
Quote from: Jobu on February 18, 2025, 11:20:05 AM
I've wondered more than once if that fucking Fletch guy makes our players worse. They don't need to fucking be ripped bodybuilders.

Who have we had that’s a “ripped bodybuilder?” Kenny the Snake Norman and Roger Powell were pretty good. Morez is pretty ripped but came in like that.
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Re: Morez Johnson out
« Reply #31 on: February 20, 2025, 02:05:19 PM »
Every single preseason they post the before and after fletch pics where they are all noticeably more ripped than when they came in.
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Re: Morez Johnson out
« Reply #32 on: February 20, 2025, 02:09:00 PM »
Quote from: Billy Jack on February 20, 2025, 12:46:30 PM
Who have we had that’s a “ripped bodybuilder?” Kenny the Snake Norman and Roger Powell were pretty good. Morez is pretty ripped but came in like that.

Tempo, shut the fuck up. Go pick up James and take him to the gas station.
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Re: Morez Johnson out
« Reply #33 on: February 20, 2025, 02:10:44 PM »
It's well documented that this Fletch guy is used to put them through an intense body building regimen. Hence the whole "body by Fletch" bullshit.

If you want to pick a fight and argue, go fuck yourself. Moron.
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Re: Morez Johnson out
« Reply #34 on: February 20, 2025, 02:13:34 PM »
I guess the question is does Illinois develop player's shooting?
Whatever we are doing when they get here doesn't typically seem to create improvement.
A few exceptions for periods of time. DaMonte, Grandison, Hawkins in second half last year (but he sucks again) come to mind.
It is not the norm that people improve their shooting here.

I just think we don't recruit them.

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« Reply #35 on: February 20, 2025, 02:18:36 PM »
Quote from: Lkdog on February 20, 2025, 02:13:34 PM
I guess the question is does Illinois develop player's shooting?
Whatever we are doing when they get here doesn't typically seem to create improvement.
A few exceptions for periods of time. DaMonte, Grandison, Hawkins in second half last year (but he sucks again) come to mind.
It is not the norm that people improve their shooting here.

I just think we don't recruit them.

Hmm. Hear me out LK.

I'm a D1 basketball player. Not the strongest guy in the world, but have D1 talent and can knock down some shots.

I get here and this maniac gets my ass in the weight room and pushes me to my limit. I get strong. But I'm sore as fuck all the time. My shot is harder to maintain because I'm sore and my arms are bigger that I'm used to.

Now, I miss a bunch of jumpers and I can't get my confidence back. Any swagger and advantage I felt like I once had slowly disappears.

Feasible?
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Re: Morez Johnson out
« Reply #36 on: February 20, 2025, 02:53:06 PM »
For 40 years I’ve been told adding weight and muscle to 18-20 year old frames was good. Now it’s bad. No wonder society is fucked.
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« Reply #37 on: February 20, 2025, 02:55:27 PM »
Quote from: Custard on February 20, 2025, 02:05:19 PM
Every single preseason they post the before and after fletch pics where they are all noticeably more ripped than when they came in.

Almost every team (power 5) I’ve watched the Illini play in the last 18 years has looked at least physically equal or bigger (development wise) than the Illini. Big muscles aren’t what’s holding our players back.
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Re: Morez Johnson out
« Reply #38 on: February 20, 2025, 02:56:32 PM »
Quote from: Jobu on February 20, 2025, 02:18:36 PM
Hmm. Hear me out LK.

I'm a D1 basketball player. Not the strongest guy in the world, but have D1 talent and can knock down some shots.

I get here and this maniac gets my ass in the weight room and pushes me to my limit. I get strong. But I'm sore as fuck all the time. My shot is harder to maintain because I'm sore and my arms are bigger that I'm used to.

Now, I miss a bunch of jumpers and I can't get my confidence back. Any swagger and advantage I felt like I once had slowly disappears.

Feasible?

yes
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Re: Morez Johnson out
« Reply #39 on: February 20, 2025, 02:56:53 PM »
Quote from: Billy Jack on February 20, 2025, 02:53:06 PM
For 40 years I’ve been told adding weight and muscle to 18-20 year old frames was good. Now it’s bad. No wonder society is fucked.

It may be good, but not for shooting 3 point shots. Both can be true.
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Re: Morez Johnson out
« Reply #40 on: February 20, 2025, 02:57:25 PM »
Quote from: Billy Jack on February 20, 2025, 02:55:27 PM
Almost every team (power 5) I’ve watched the Illini play in the last 18 years has looked at least physically equal or bigger (development wise) than the Illini. Big muscles aren’t what’s holding our players back.

Are you blaming Underachiever?
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Re: Morez Johnson out
« Reply #41 on: February 20, 2025, 03:50:39 PM »



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« Reply #42 on: February 20, 2025, 03:52:16 PM »
Quote from: ThePAMan on February 20, 2025, 02:57:25 PM
Are you blaming Underachiever?

Our teams actually look more grown up under him than they did under Weber and Groce. I remember playing Seton Hall once (and they weren’t even that great) and it looked like boys against men.
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Re: Morez Johnson out
« Reply #43 on: February 20, 2025, 06:50:20 PM »
Quote from: Billy Jack on February 20, 2025, 02:55:27 PM
Almost every team (power 5) I’ve watched the Illini play in the last 18 years has looked at least physically equal or bigger (development wise) than the Illini. Big muscles aren’t what’s holding our players back.

I beg to differ, the human's largest muscle is the gluteus maximus, and well our guys haven't been playing there asses of lately. That muscle is holding some back, easiest shots taken, lazy defense, losing the 50/50 balls, etc etc, the hardest working muscle is the human heart...I think all of the guys hearts are working in overdrive, not like they don't want to win.
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Re: Morez Johnson out
« Reply #44 on: February 20, 2025, 11:03:44 PM »
Quote from: Jobu on February 20, 2025, 02:18:36 PM
Hmm. Hear me out LK.

I'm a D1 basketball player. Not the strongest guy in the world, but have D1 talent and can knock down some shots.

I get here and this maniac gets my ass in the weight room and pushes me to my limit. I get strong. But I'm sore as fuck all the time. My shot is harder to maintain because I'm sore and my arms are bigger that I'm used to.

Now, I miss a bunch of jumpers and I can't get my confidence back. Any swagger and advantage I felt like I once had slowly disappears.

Feasible?

Certainly could be. It's complex as fuck is my guess.
Shooting is technique and part mental.
Either of those things goes off or is not present and you are fucked. And it gets tougher as you go up the ladder.

The guy I loved watching was Plummer.
Great form, footwork, quick release, and believed in himself no matter what. Always thought the next one was going down.

Great shooters have that mindset and good fundamental technique ingrained.

If you watch a game in person at court level you realize how difficult it must be to keep it all together as a shooter facing a tough close out against players with great quickness and length. High D1 makes the court look small.

I watch a lot of D3 BB locally in person for fun and even at that level marvel at how tough it must be.

Players actually might get better looks in NBA I think because of elite spacing, passing, positioning,  kick outs and ball reversals and they all get world class teaching on shooting. A guy like Ayo with really below average technique is provided open catch and shoot looks to step into and learns to take the shots he can make. He is good enough to stay in the league.

Not everybody can create their own space and shoot off the bounce like Curry or Clark or Lillard.

Great technique holds up under pressure and builds confidence and it becomes circular and self affirming.

We have guys who were obviously successful at various levels but are struggling now. Not getting clean looks, taking lower percentage more contested shots, and their release is maybe not quick enough or breaks down at this level.

We play Iowa soon. Watch Sanford and Dix.
Pure form and a lot of confidence.
We have a lot more talent overall but nobody like those two.












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