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Hey guys, I was wrong about something

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Re: Hey guys, I was wrong about something
« Reply #270 on: October 01, 2024, 10:50:25 PM »
tl:dr undoubtedly filled with lies anyway
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Re: Hey guys, I was wrong about something
« Reply #271 on: October 02, 2024, 01:28:33 AM »
Quote from: spark mandrill on October 01, 2024, 09:32:52 PM
I cannot believe you read enough of that to even chime in.

Sorry for bringing your name into it.

I asked for him to chime in. I figured he was easily the most credible voice to lend perspective.
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Re: Hey guys, I was wrong about something
« Reply #272 on: October 02, 2024, 01:30:24 AM »
Quote from: Custard on October 01, 2024, 10:28:50 PM
Spark breathlessly rushed to moral high ground, found the exact center of the fence to sit on, and then castigated all that he deemed to be below him; all while openly rooting for an upstanding young black man to have everything he has worked his entire life for broken on the rocks of Lawrence, Kansas DA fuckery just to wait and see if some sketchy bar skank was telling a truth that anyone with an IQ above room temperature already knew she wasn’t telling.

He THEN relentlessly insisted he’s the good guy for doing it while labeling everyone else a meatball moron for calling out bullshit when they see it.

This is a perfect example of how bleeding heart people who seem to believe there are no bad actors—just misunderstood ones—unwittingly end up on the wrong side of a heinous situation simply because they couldn’t bring themselves to accept the info and evidence staring them directly in the fucking face because it *might* later force them to admit someone is actually a piece of shit.

When a person becomes so consumed with virtue signaling self-righteousness that they cannot see the forest from the trees, I have to question just how great of a person they truly are.

Terrence Shannon, Jr. deserved better from you, spark.

Because he played ball at Illinois.
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Re: Hey guys, I was wrong about something
« Reply #273 on: October 02, 2024, 01:33:33 AM »
Quote from: spark mandrill on October 01, 2024, 10:45:00 PM
Extremely ironic to come here and try to castigate me for "taking the moral high ground", while doing the same thing - even though you were exactly the type of fan calvin was talking about who slut-shamed this girl with zero information about her.  Disgusting, but expected.

Your claim that I openly rooted for TSJ to have his life broken is absolute horseshit, a disgraceful lie unbecoming of any decent person.  I openly rooted for justice and for the truth to come out.  What I didn't do is act like a jackass, which is what you seem to demand - I didn't slut-shame the accuser like you gleefully did, I didn't doxx her, I didn't call her a money grubbing whore.  I also didn't assume he did it, I didn't call him a rapist, and I didn't advocate for him to be thrown in prison without evidence - something at least a handful of your buddies here did regarding his accuser, with zero condemnation from you.  I waited for the evidence to come out like a fucking adult - something you call "fence riding" to avoid acknowledging that it's actually just acting like I've graduated junior high - the worst offense possible in this atmosphere you've cultivated.  You're high and mighty about the fact that I did not jump to conclusions and waited for the evidence to come out before I made a judgment, something well adjusted people learn to do when they're adolescents.

Yes, you were a meatball moron!  You slut-shamed someone who as far as we know was sexually assaulted, and you did it because of fucking college basketball.  If you don't see how absolutely god damn reprehensible that is you're too deep down the well to even see the light.

It's not virtue signalling self-righteousness to call out despicable behavior, but it's often pretended to be by people acting despicably - as we see here.  It's a way to get the discussion OFF how you and the people on the board you run slut-shamed and doxxed a likely sexual assault victim, and onto the "self-righteousness" of those who might dare to point out how gross it is to both allow that to happen on your board and to actively participate in it.  You seem to have built a large part of your worldview based on this notion - I have to join in with the people who behave disgustingly, because those people who point out how gross I'm acting just come off as self-righteous!

Your female family members deserve better than the behavior you displayed and condoned here, but you don't give a shit.

Do I feel awful for Shannon, and glad that he wasn't convicted without any evidence?  God yes!  Of course I do.  And if the girl was sexually assaulted, I feel awful for her too!  That shit sucks, because that means the person who did that will not face justice for it!  You guys act like I was "openly rooting" against TSJ even though you know that's a lie, because otherwise you'd have to actually examine your own behavior.

I have to say this all seems reasonable to me.
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Re: Hey guys, I was wrong about something
« Reply #274 on: October 02, 2024, 01:45:20 AM »
I purposely avoided the Shannon thread/debate, because sometimes I see the writing on the wall, and heed the wise lesson of the movie WarGames that “the only winning move is not to play.”
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Re: Hey guys, I was wrong about something
« Reply #275 on: October 02, 2024, 07:22:02 AM »
Tempo's white knighting for Spark so he has someone to beat in arguments around here is so cute.
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Re: Hey guys, I was wrong about something
« Reply #276 on: October 02, 2024, 09:09:18 AM »
Quote from: Decided Schematic Disadvantage on October 02, 2024, 01:30:24 AM
Because he played ball at Illinois.

The fact he was innocent is part of it.
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Re: Hey guys, I was wrong about something
« Reply #277 on: October 02, 2024, 09:14:38 AM »
Quote from: illiniray on October 02, 2024, 09:09:18 AM
The fact he was innocent is part of it.

No one here knew that.
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Re: Hey guys, I was wrong about something
« Reply #278 on: October 02, 2024, 09:15:27 AM »
Quote from: ThePAMan on October 02, 2024, 07:22:02 AM
Tempo's white knighting for Spark so he has someone to beat in arguments around here is so cute.

ThePAMan is on brand here.
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Re: Hey guys, I was wrong about something
« Reply #279 on: October 02, 2024, 09:23:56 AM »
Quote from: Decided Schematic Disadvantage on October 02, 2024, 09:14:38 AM
No one here knew that.

Anyone who followed it closely had a high degree of certainty.

Then it turned out the case against him was even weaker than anyone thought.
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Re: Hey guys, I was wrong about something
« Reply #280 on: October 02, 2024, 09:26:41 AM »
Ahhhhh yes, word of mouth from insiders and internet gossip.
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Re: Hey guys, I was wrong about something
« Reply #281 on: October 02, 2024, 09:28:14 AM »
Again, if it had been Fran McCaffery’s kid this place probably would have skewered him.
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« Reply #282 on: October 02, 2024, 09:56:10 AM »
Quote from: Decided Schematic Disadvantage on October 02, 2024, 09:26:41 AM
Ahhhhh yes, word of mouth from insiders and internet gossip.

When someone is consistently ahead of the curve, a smart person learns to trust them.

I am not going to apologize for being loyal to Illini players when they deserve it.

There was no Internet, but back in the day, when the idiot Rodney Jones got in trouble, nobody rushed to his defense.

if Fran McCaffery’s kid had been accused of the same thing in the same circumstances, I think most would be dubious.
 
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Re: Hey guys, I was wrong about something
« Reply #283 on: October 02, 2024, 11:11:34 AM »
Quote from: Decided Schematic Disadvantage on October 02, 2024, 09:26:41 AM
Ahhhhh yes, word of mouth from insiders and internet gossip.

Actual lawyers who followed it very closely and explained their findings in great detail on social media.
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Re: Hey guys, I was wrong about something
« Reply #284 on: October 02, 2024, 11:15:06 AM »
Quote from: Custard on October 02, 2024, 11:11:34 AM
Actual lawyers who followed it very closely and explained their findings in great detail on social media.

You would think Mr. Twotter would have been all over it.
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