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Re: Tim Walz
« Reply #120 on: August 17, 2024, 04:12:23 PM »
I read somewhere that the price will have to reflect fair market value in the area.

Also, there will be incentives to rehab existing properties. Just don't file for property tax credits while rehabbing the plumbing. /s

Government spending does not cause inflation. Inflation happens when demand for a product or service seriously exceeds supply.

If there is a severe housing supply shortage; then increasing demand via government spending might possibly increase home prices.

Musk and Trump are arguing that printing money (QE)  somehow magically reduces the value of money, causing inflation.

Yet Trump ran massive deficits with near zero inflation.

We experienced inflation when we had pandemic related supply shortages, pent up demand as the economy recovered, service sector wage increases, and opportunistic price gouging.

The Trump and Biden Stimulus packages helped the recovery and in that contributed to inflation marginally.
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Re: Tim Walz
« Reply #121 on: August 17, 2024, 04:38:40 PM »

If there is a severe housing supply shortage; then increasing demand via government spending might possibly increase home prices.


That's a real issue and the reason industry groups have called for more policies to spur supply growth, in addition to providing homebuyer support.   

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Re: Tim Walz
« Reply #122 on: August 17, 2024, 04:43:21 PM »
Yeah, but what about stolen valor?
"He commented more than once that, 'You know, Hitler did some good things, too,'" Kelly recalled to The Times. Kelly said he would usually quash the conversation by saying "nothing (Hitler) did, you could argue, was good," but that Trump would occasionally bring up the topic again.

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Re: Tim Walz
« Reply #123 on: August 17, 2024, 05:15:56 PM »
That's a real issue and the reason industry groups have called for more policies to spur supply growth, in addition to providing homebuyer support.   

I have also read that at least 10% of our housing is vacant. Something like 15 million homes. 

I am guessing some of it is  in bad neighborhoods or inconvenient locations.  Or vacant rentals.

Are they talking rehabbing old units or building new ones? Both?
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« Reply #124 on: August 17, 2024, 05:52:57 PM »

Are they talking rehabbing old units or building new ones? Both?

It looks like the recent policy proposal is focused mostly on building new housing units.  But there was a White House announcement in June, indicating that federal grants were available to convert commercial property to housing, improve energy efficiency in HUD-supported housing and support efforts to update manufactured housing.  I think HUD has some loan and assistance programs for home repairs and improvements, which is probably being managed by the states. 

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« Reply #125 on: August 18, 2024, 01:16:22 PM »
The housing plank is sadly, junk.

Let's say there are 10 families, and 8 houses. Due to this, the price of a house is $1 million.

If you give the 2 homeless families a million bucks, they won't be able to buy one of the houses, or if one is sold, it just displaces the other family.

It's ok to "print money" to help people out as long as there is supply - people on this thread have noted that.

OK, so Harris says that they are gonna build a bunch of houses. Great. Certainly if there are incentives to developers - including that sweet $25k downpayment money - they would be willing to build!

It's incredibly ironic that these words come out of the mouth of Kamala Harris - former District Attorney for the City of San Francisco. San Francisco has the most legal obstacles to housing development in the Bay Area. The Bay Area has the most legal obstacles to housing development of any place in the world. It's insane, someone could try to tear down a rat and blackberry bush infested shithole and build a nice home on it and the neighbors will place piles of discretionary review on it, or try to get the blighted rat trap designated as a "historical property" because Emperor Norton had a beer there once.

It's not even simple to figure out the motivation for these roadblocks - usually it's that the neighbor is worried that the new home will block their view. Often they are 3rd generation in their home living hand to mouth, and don't want new people in the neighborhood. Or maybe they're just crazy gadflies.

There was something in there about building on "Federal Land". That should be interesting. There is some "Federal Land" in SF - the old Presidio Military Base. Good luck building there. "Somehow" it will get taken off the list (Pelosi cough cough). But most "Federal Land" is in the middle of fucking nowhere - where we don't need any houses. Let's build some halfway between Sparks and Winnemucca and people can commute 90 miles to the Gigafactory.

To be clear, Trump has no answer either. This all comes down to a couple things that are a third rail.

1) Overriding local control on housing/zoning
2) Restrictions on 2nd homes. That's a taking.

We own 3, all in housing stressed locations. We'll be getting a long term tenant for one now that we purchased the newest one, but the Tahoe place stays AirBnB until the County finishes banning them. People in Douglas County aren't super smart. They think that if people can't AirBnB their ski houses they will have to sell or get a long term tenant. It probably *costs* me money to have tenants in Tahoe, given the fairly small rents, the cost of running the heat and hot water, and the damage that tenants do. It's worth it just to have foot traffic so we detect roof leaks or pest invasions.

If they ban AirBnB, we'll just stop renting it out and let friends use it for free. The carrying cost is bupkus. The house is depreciated so the tax bill on a sale would be large compared to just letting my son inherit it. Whatever money is left from a sale, what would I do with it? Put it in the stock market? Owning that home is diversification.

It makes me queasy because really, we're part of the problem. The tax code has so many incentives - deferring capital gains, property tax basis, stepped up basis on inheritance - to NOT sell. If we make it more tax efficient to sell, it's a giveaway to rich landowners.

Really the only solution is to somehow make localities match their housing supply to jobs. We give incentives for businesses to start in certain locations, and the local governments are very willing to take the new jobs. Screw it - if you don't commit to housing the workers, you don't get any tax incentives for jobs.

Building more housing has the added benefit of reducing the lucrative business of being an existing homeower, which brings more inventory to market.

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Re: Tim Walz
« Reply #126 on: August 18, 2024, 01:17:46 PM »
OK, so Harris says that they are gonna build a bunch of houses. Great. Certainly if there are incentives to developers - including that sweet $25k downpayment money - they would be willing to build!

also the irony of Kamala Harris, from SF, talking about 25k for downpayments, when her home area a down payment is probably 10-20x that.

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Re: Tim Walz
« Reply #127 on: August 19, 2024, 02:25:02 PM »
I read somewhere that the price will have to reflect fair market value in the area.

Also, there will be incentives to rehab existing properties. Just don't file for property tax credits while rehabbing the plumbing. /s

Government spending does not cause inflation. Inflation happens when demand for a product or service seriously exceeds supply.

If there is a severe housing supply shortage; then increasing demand via government spending might possibly increase home prices.

Musk and Trump are arguing that printing money (QE)  somehow magically reduces the value of money, causing inflation.

Yet Trump ran massive deficits with near zero inflation.

We experienced inflation when we had pandemic related supply shortages, pent up demand as the economy recovered, service sector wage increases, and opportunistic price gouging.

The Trump and Biden Stimulus packages helped the recovery and in that contributed to inflation marginally.

Printing trillions of dollars when the economy is shut down doesn’t cause inflation? Printing money literally creates additional demand, which will cause inflation in any constrained economic area. So yes, it certainly can reduce the value of money. Look what’s happened the last 3-4 years. Commodity prices are in the shitter and food prices are still insane. And Harris’ plan of regulating food prices looks like something right out of the communist manifesto.

We should’ve kept the economy open and not printed trillions in corporate welfare, just like we should have let the big banks fail in 08-09 instead of bailing them out with taxpayer money (the people they fucked) and then letting the architects of the whole disaster decide how to proceed going forward with zero punishment and millions and millions in their pockets.

Remember the W era stimulus checks that were sent out? Remember what those were designed to do?
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Re: Tim Walz
« Reply #128 on: August 19, 2024, 02:39:46 PM »
Printing trillions of dollars when the economy is shut down doesn’t cause inflation? Printing money literally creates additional demand, which will cause inflation in any constrained economic area. So yes, it certainly can reduce the value of money. Look what’s happened the last 3-4 years. Commodity prices are in the shitter and food prices are still insane. And Harris’ plan of regulating food prices looks like something right out of the communist manifesto.

We should’ve kept the economy open and not printed trillions in corporate welfare, just like we should have let the big banks fail in 08-09 instead of bailing them out with taxpayer money (the people they fucked) and then letting the architects of the whole disaster decide how to proceed going forward with zero punishment and millions and millions in their pockets.

Remember the W era stimulus checks that were sent out? Remember what those were designed to do?

The last time all the banks were allowed to fail the Nazis went through Poland and did not stop until they hit Stalingrad in the East, France in the West, and North Africa. That all ended with Hiroshima and Nagasaki getting bombed.  Good times.
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Re: Tim Walz
« Reply #129 on: August 19, 2024, 02:47:00 PM »
My 401k kicked some ass last week. I don't know.
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« Reply #130 on: August 19, 2024, 02:56:21 PM »
Printing trillions of dollars when the economy is shut down doesn’t cause inflation? Printing money literally creates additional demand, which will cause inflation in any constrained economic area. So yes, it certainly can reduce the value of money. Look what’s happened the last 3-4 years. Commodity prices are in the shitter and food prices are still insane. And Harris’ plan of regulating food prices looks like something right out of the communist manifesto.

We should’ve kept the economy open and not printed trillions in corporate welfare, just like we should have let the big banks fail in 08-09 instead of bailing them out with taxpayer money (the people they fucked) and then letting the architects of the whole disaster decide how to proceed going forward with zero punishment and millions and millions in their pockets.

Remember the W era stimulus checks that were sent out? Remember what those were designed to do?

The main reason for inflation was the supply problems. There was a wage factor too. And opportunistic price gouging.

The Trump and Biden stimulus packages contributed. They also prevented disinflation and a depression.

Did you think the unfettered free market determines food prices now? Price supports are complex.

The government can get a lot more active in breaking up monopolies, going after price fixing, that sort of thing.
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Re: Tim Walz
« Reply #131 on: August 19, 2024, 02:59:38 PM »
The main reason for inflation was the supply problems. There was a wage factor too. And opportunistic price gouging.

The Trump and Biden stimulus packages contributed. They also prevented disinflation and a depression.

Did you think the unfettered free market determines food prices now? Price supports are complex.

The government can get a lot more active in breaking up monopolies, going after price fixing, that sort of thing.

WTF you trying to do with our eyes, Nichi?
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« Reply #132 on: August 19, 2024, 03:08:14 PM »
Yeah, don't ever do that again with that font. Fuck, Nichi. What are you doing?
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« Reply #133 on: August 19, 2024, 03:13:09 PM »
Printing trillions of dollars when the economy is shut down doesn’t cause inflation? Printing money literally creates additional demand, which will cause inflation in any constrained economic area. So yes, it certainly can reduce the value of money. Look what’s happened the last 3-4 years. Commodity prices are in the shitter and food prices are still insane. And Harris’ plan of regulating food prices looks like something right out of the communist manifesto.

We should’ve kept the economy open and not printed trillions in corporate welfare, just like we should have let the big banks fail in 08-09 instead of bailing them out with taxpayer money (the people they fucked) and then letting the architects of the whole disaster decide how to proceed going forward with zero punishment and millions and millions in their pockets.

Remember the W era stimulus checks that were sent out? Remember what those were designed to do?

Food industry consolidation has played a major role in higher food prices.  With fewer players, it’s easier for companies to raise prices in tandem.  The newest trick is to charge us the same for less product.  And it looks like we'll be facing more grocery consolidation, with Kroger gobbling up its competitor, Albertsons.
https://carolinaforward.org/blog/grocery-prices/

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« Reply #134 on: August 19, 2024, 03:14:26 PM »
Food industry consolidation has played a major role in higher food prices.  With fewer players, it’s easier for companies to raise prices in tandem.  The newest trick is to charge us the same for less product.  And it looks like we'll be facing more grocery consolidation, with Kroger gobbling up its competitor, Albertsons.
https://carolinaforward.org/blog/grocery-prices/

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