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WTF is going to happen in the next week?

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Re: WTF is going to happen in the next week?
« Reply #165 on: December 02, 2020, 08:19:24 AM »
He said a bad word.

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Re: WTF is going to happen in the next week?
« Reply #166 on: December 02, 2020, 02:27:18 PM »
I have been trying to decipher Trump and Giuliani's end game.  Keep in mind that half of Republicans think Trump was the victim of massive voter fraud, and more than 1/4 think he should fight to the end. Republican leaders with something to lose still fear him.   

Trump team's convoluted, disjointed legal arguments appear to be rooted in Bush v. Gore. The SCOTUS majority ruled that a lack of standard method for dimpled chads violated the equal protection clause.  The decision apparently included this sentence:  “Our consideration is limited to the present circumstances, for the problem of equal protection in election processes generally presents many complexities.”

In other words, they did not want it cited as a precedent, but I gather that is not stopping Giuliani et al.  They are evidently arguing that a lack of standard application of rules concerning ballot curing violates the equal protection clause. As a remedy, they wanted the court to nullify the entire vote in PA.

A Republican federal judge dismissed the case. Trump plans to appeal. Meanwhile, the Trump campaign has tried other tactics, like trying to block certification of the vote in other states, such as Michigan, Arizona, Georgia, and Wisconsin. The idea is to drop Biden below the 270 threshold. Some say that would push the vote to the House; with each state getting one vote. Trump wins. Others say the threshold is lowered and Biden still wins.

Another approach is to try to get Republican state legislatures to override the popular vote in their states, and appoint Trump electors instead. My understanding is this is supposedly based on a "plenary power of the legislature" interpretation expressed by  Chief Justice Rehnquist's concurring opinion, which was  joined by Justices Scalia and Thomas.

Some ardent Trumpists believe  the 3 Trump appointees will join Alito and Thomas in throwing out fraudulent elections and allowing state legislatures to appoint Trump electors. While extremely unlikely, that is at least remotely possible and would create a nightmarish scenario.

It's also possible that Trump's absurd behavior finally exposes him for what he is; part oaf, part third world dictator, and he fades into obscurity. Well, there are the criminal cases in NY, so maybe at best he becomes am annoying side show?

Most likely, Trump sets himself as de facto leader of the Republican Party, a sort of True President in exile, and does everything he can to undermine the Biden Admin -- with a 2024 run in mind.  That is the most logical end game.
Trump doesn’t have a coherent endgame, because he has no idea what he’s doing.

I think what we really should be concerned with is the endgame of the people who are supporting/enabling him. I think their endgame has nothing to do with this election, it’s the long game. They want to cast as much doubt and uncertainty on mail in voting as they can. Their nightmare scenario is that this mail in voting goes smoothly (which it did), and people ask, “Why don’t we do this all the time? This is much easier!” Southern conservatives have spent 150 years making it as hard as possible for Blacks to vote, and mail in voting effectively destroys that. They want to make sure it never happens again.
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Re: WTF is going to happen in the next week?
« Reply #167 on: December 06, 2020, 12:45:19 AM »
The Democrat party will be a smoking crater when everything comes to light on this stolen election.

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Re: WTF is going to happen in the next week?
« Reply #168 on: December 06, 2020, 01:32:42 AM »
As long as we get to see the Kraken.

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Re: WTF is going to happen in the next week?
« Reply #169 on: December 06, 2020, 09:34:16 AM »
Hi Plaza. Still.driving for Uber, you little whiny assed pedo loser?
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Re: WTF is going to happen in the next week?
« Reply #170 on: December 07, 2020, 09:48:11 AM »
As long as we get to see the Kraken.

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Re: WTF is going to happen in the next week?
« Reply #171 on: December 07, 2020, 10:06:40 AM »
It helps with the overall function.

If you don't have one ... well, that would make a certain amount of sense.

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Re: WTF is going to happen in the next week?
« Reply #172 on: December 13, 2020, 10:32:40 AM »
As long as we get to see the Kraken.
Me too. Im also still waiting to see evidence that Trump colluded with Russia...been waiting 4 years for some of that shit.

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Re: WTF is going to happen in the next week?
« Reply #173 on: December 13, 2020, 10:58:55 AM »
Me too. Im also still waiting to see evidence that Trump colluded with Russia...been waiting 4 years for some of that shit.

January 20th he can be indicted...unless he pardons himself, even though he allegedly.did nothing wrong.
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Re: WTF is going to happen in the next week?
« Reply #174 on: December 14, 2020, 06:25:21 AM »
Fess up.
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Re: WTF is going to happen in the next week?
« Reply #175 on: December 14, 2020, 11:14:08 AM »
You will never see evidence of so-called "collusion," simply because there is no statute prohibiting that.  There are campaign finance laws about coordination.   

One thing we do know is the Russians really did try to influence the 2016 election to help Trump. Among other things, they hacked the DNC and leaked info to Wikileaks. They tried to blame it on a leak.

Did the Trump campaign literally coordinate with the Russians, or just stay out of the way?
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Re: WTF is going to happen in the next week?
« Reply #176 on: December 14, 2020, 12:18:51 PM »
People have a way of seeing what they want to see.
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Re: WTF is going to happen in the next week?
« Reply #177 on: December 14, 2020, 12:47:31 PM »
You will never see evidence of so-called "collusion," simply because there is no statute prohibiting that.  There are campaign finance laws about coordination.   

One thing we do know is the Russians really did try to influence the 2016 election to help Trump. Among other things, they hacked the DNC and leaked info to Wikileaks. They tried to blame it on a leak.

Did the Trump campaign literally coordinate with the Russians, or just stay out of the way?

JFC, we already have forgotten about the Trump Campaign meeting with the Soviets in Trump Tower?
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Re: WTF is going to happen in the next week?
« Reply #178 on: December 14, 2020, 01:05:35 PM »
JFC, we already have forgotten about the Trump Campaign meeting with the Soviets in Trump Tower?

I *should* care about this, but my take is that in any sane reality, the efforts of the Russians would be meaningless - but somehow we have this large percentage of the population that has a bizarro cult worship of this extraordinarily mediocre person. How could it be possible that 70 million people would be persuaded by any argument? It beggars all belief, which is why we cling to guns, racism, abortion as the only plausible explanation for this disconnect.

So I just can't even get that freaked out by the Russia stuff because we have so many idiots we probably got the Government we deserve.

Also - "the Soviets"?

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Re: WTF is going to happen in the next week?
« Reply #179 on: December 14, 2020, 03:38:11 PM »
We dont know about Crowdstrike because they told the FBI to go pound sand when the FBI asked for the servers.
From Sept 2017 testimony from the Crowdstrike CEO.
 During the interview made public Thursday, Shawn Henry explained that CrowdStrike found some evidence that information was taken from DNC servers, but it was not conclusive.
Responding to a question from Rep. Joaquin Castro (D-Texas), he said, “There is evidence of exfiltration, not conclusive, but indicators of exfiltration off the DNC.”
Henry said that based on the evidence his firm reviewed, they believe “70 gigabytes of data” were exfiltrated from the DNC’s network. However, when asked by Rep. Mike Conaway (R-Texas) whether he could “unequivocally say it was or not was exfiltrated out of the DNC, from what you know of?”
Henry responded, “I can’t say based on that,” according to the 80-page transcript.
The closed-door interview is one of 57 that the committee conducted during its two-year Russia investigation.
There is widespread agreement in the intelligence community that Russia hacked the DNC servers, but questions have long persisted because FBI investigators did not seize the DNC servers and relied instead on CrowdStrike's analysis of what occurred during the hacking.

We do not know Russia favored Trump. We do know Russia interfered in the 2016 election with social media campaigns and there appears to be no evidence that votes were changed due to Russian interference. Durham may address it, but a Senate Intel staffer allegedly responsible for leaking the Carter Page FISA warrant was not a good start for RUSSIA, RUSSIA, RUSSIA favoring Trump.

But recently released FBI memos show that Samochornov, a translator trusted by the State Department and other federal agencies, provided agents far more information than was quoted by Mueller, nearly all of it exculpatory to the president’s campaign and his eldest son.
Samochornov was one of the few eyewitnesses to the meeting: He was hired by Veselnitskya to act as a translator on her law work and attended the Tower confab as such. His account to the FBI undercut the false collusion narrative.
“Samochornov could not speak about other occasions, but said there was no discussion about the 2016 United States presidential election or collusion between the Russian government and the Trump campaign at the meeting,” the FBI reported.
“There was no smoking gun, according to Samochornov. There was not a discussion about dirt on Hillary Clinton. Samochornov did not think Hillary Clinton was mentioned by name at the meeting," the FBI report added. "Samochornov had not heard Veselnitskya say anything about having ‘dirt’ on Hillary Clinton. Veselnitskya did not offer any materials during the meeting and no papers were exchanged.”

One of these years, we may have answers as to what happened.