Should Terrence Shannon play while awaiting trial?

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Re: Should Terrence Shannon play while awaiting trial?

« Reply #90 on: May 02, 2024, 01:40:01 PM »

https://x.com/ReesIsMe/status/1786057147895234833

Here's the full motion. Obviously still written by Shannon's lawyers but it claims that no male DNA was found in the vaginal or external genital swab, citing a KBI report.

If that's true, I can't imagine the case will get to trial barring some other evidence we haven't heard anything about yet. It's possible that evidence exists, of course, but I can't imagine what it would be if it isn't video or DNA.

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Re: Should Terrence Shannon play while awaiting trial?

« Reply #91 on: May 02, 2024, 01:41:38 PM »

Spark- “Because we weren’t publicly outraged and speaking out against world hunger, we can’t possibly say anything when we’re starving!!”

And as to your reply to me above, obviously plenty of people are questioning his character. He’s accused of rape. Why can’t he defend himself and have his lawyers publicly shame her too?! Her character IS relevant to the charges. 5 fucking dudes!! Yes, that’s relevant! Again why should his livelihood be lost if the allegations are in fact false?! You use other examples like Brandon Miller (somebody died) which are way different circumstances. I wasn’t outraged at other situations because I didn’t care. Those people didn’t play for a team I rooted for. I never defended anybody in the Brian Carwell incident. Who cares if they played for my favorite team.

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Re: Should Terrence Shannon play while awaiting trial?

« Reply #92 on: May 02, 2024, 01:42:25 PM »

Quote from: spark mandrill on May 02, 2024, 01:35:32 PM

Pretty ironic to accuse me of not caring about due process unless it 'fits my needs'. The actual objective reality is that more or less no Illini fan including you gave one shit about "due process" in the cases of any of the hundreds of kids suspended for being charged with a crime - including multiple from our own program - until it put our basketball season in jeopardy. It literally was never a thing until it affected your favorite team. Not one single Illini fan that I saw pushed back on the Brandon Miller stuff by talking about due process and how he wasn't convicted of a crime, not one - in fact, nearly every comment I saw about it went the exact opposite direction, a principle which those people have now mostly abandoned once it affected THEIR favorite team.

They tested her anus because it's standard procedure when performing a rape screening. As is a vaginal swab. He was not accused of penetrating her anus, so the anal swab doesn't matter all that much. He was accused of touching her inner-thigh from the back, and the inner-thigh swab was inconclusive.

This motion was posted by Kedric for exactly one reason, and obviously a lot of people obliged.

I do not recall getting on my own high horse about the Alabama kid. But, yeah, there were those who did. I guess we can thank TSJ and Whitman for providing a good lesson to Illini fans about Due Process and the school disciplinary process.

It would not be the first time a story testified to in court changed from what the prosecutors claimed the story was so the swab certainly ruled out his touching her there. It also certainly provides some ammo for other defenses.

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Re: Should Terrence Shannon play while awaiting trial?

« Reply #93 on: May 02, 2024, 01:47:37 PM »

If he has/had to lose schooling or his job through the process, she should too (barring she even has one).

If she can destroy his character with accusations (whether true or not) he should be able to do the same to her through the process.

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Re: Should Terrence Shannon play while awaiting trial?

« Reply #94 on: May 02, 2024, 01:49:35 PM »

Quote from: spark mandrill on May 02, 2024, 01:40:01 PM

https://x.com/ReesIsMe/status/1786057147895234833

Here's the full motion. Obviously still written by Shannon's lawyers but it claims that no male DNA was found in the vaginal or external genital swab, citing a KBI report.

If that's true, I can't imagine the case will get to trial barring some other evidence we haven't heard anything about yet. It's possible that evidence exists, of course, but I can't imagine what it would be if it isn't video or DNA.

That was an interesting read.

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Re: Should Terrence Shannon play while awaiting trial?

« Reply #95 on: May 02, 2024, 01:53:21 PM »

Quote from: Judge Judy on May 02, 2024, 01:41:38 PM

Spark- “Because we weren’t publicly outraged and speaking out against world hunger, we can’t possibly say anything when we’re starving!!”

And as to your reply to me above, obviously plenty of people are questioning his character. He’s accused of rape. Why can’t he defend himself and have his lawyers publicly shame her too?! Her character IS relevant to the charges. 5 fucking dudes!! Yes, that’s relevant! Again why should his livelihood be lost if the allegations are in fact false?! You use other examples like Brandon Miller (somebody died) which are way different circumstances. I wasn’t outraged at other situations because I didn’t care. Those people didn’t play for a team I rooted for. I never defended anybody in the Brian Carwell incident. Who cares if they played for my favorite team.

What the fuck are you talking about?

His lawyers CAN and SHOULD defend him. Slut shaming the accuser is a disgusting tactic and in fact not a defense of him at all. Do I need to explain why?

Yes, Brandon Miller is a different circumstance - he wasn't even accused of a crime. By the logic you're using here, Jamar Smith should've been able to play basketball for Illinois after that incident for the three months until he pled guilty. That we suspended him violated his right to due process. Personally, I think that's crazy - but that's what the judge said, so it doesn't matter what I think.

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Re: Should Terrence Shannon play while awaiting trial?

« Reply #96 on: May 02, 2024, 02:02:11 PM »

Quote from: spark mandrill on May 02, 2024, 01:53:21 PM

What the fuck are you talking about?

His lawyers CAN and SHOULD defend him. Slut shaming the accuser is a disgusting tactic and in fact not a defense of him at all. Do I need to explain why?

How do you know it is not relevant to his defense?

Doesn't the motion anticipate that the prosecution will present testimony as to the discovery of "male DNA" in her underwear that cannot be traced to any one person and claim it could be TSJ's? Doesn't the appearance of DNA of 5 other males elsewhere on her body mean that the "male DNA" discovered in the underwear could have come from one of those 5 males and not TSJ?

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Re: Should Terrence Shannon play while awaiting trial?

« Reply #97 on: May 02, 2024, 02:04:08 PM »

That’s easy enough to knock down in court or a dismissal motion if the evidence shows that.

Kedric pulling that line and tweeting it as red meat for Illini fans was the most obvious slut shaming imaginable. And look, the reaction to it from Illini fans is to do the same thing.

Whether she has sex with 2 or 5 or 25 men isn’t relevant to the question of whether Shannon did what he was accused of. It’s put out to impugn her character, nothing more. The lack of a vaginal match is FAR more relevant.

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Re: Should Terrence Shannon play while awaiting trial?

« Reply #98 on: May 02, 2024, 02:23:09 PM »

Wait she's had sex with 25 dudes and is in college? Lol.

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Re: Should Terrence Shannon play while awaiting trial?

« Reply #99 on: May 02, 2024, 02:36:58 PM »

Quote from: spark mandrill on May 02, 2024, 02:04:08 PM

That’s easy enough to knock down in court or a dismissal motion if the evidence shows that.

Seems like the defense prefers to address the issue now before such evidence even reaches the finder of fact.

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