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Should Terrence Shannon play while awaiting trial?

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Re: Should Terrence Shannon play while awaiting trial?
« Reply #45 on: January 22, 2024, 04:08:29 PM »
Quote from: illinicalvin on January 22, 2024, 03:52:17 PM
I doubt you can get hired at UI gen counsel without the education and admin law background to know this stuff like the back not your hand. Goes back to my observation that this isn't new because of the NIL. I think it's what happens when a kid hires lawyers to ramrod the school and his criminal defense attorney doesn't stop it. On that aspect of it, NIL would be new in that it's a source of litigation funding.
He's apparently got the cash now to hire decent lawyers. He had 4 sets of lawyers on his brief.

I disagree on him ramrodding the school. The school fucked up by not following OSCR when doing its DIA stuff. That is what opened the door to the lawsuit. His first argument was based on Title IX. Granted he lost that argument, but it sounds like OSCR applies in non-Title IX disciplinary instances while applying the same, or many of the same, Title IX processes (investigation, hearings, written findings, appeals, etc.).

Why didn't the school apply OSCR? They have had the time to do so. Maybe because they can't get the complainant to provide a statement or other info needed out of the Lawrence area? His criminal lawyer undoubtedly knows that is an issue for the school. It would be a reason to sign off on this, no?
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Re: Should Terrence Shannon play while awaiting trial?
« Reply #46 on: January 31, 2024, 04:50:27 PM »
This guy shreds Parrish:

"If, by his remarks, Parrish means that a court has no lawful authority to tell a coach what factors may not lawfully be considered by the coach in deciding whom to play, Parrish would be flatly wrong."

"Suppose Player A is suspended because the coach learns that Player A identifies as Black or as Muslim, and Player A sues over his suspension. The coach couldn’t very well respond to a judicial order finding the coach’s conduct illegal under the Fourteenth or First Amendments by saying, “OK, I’ll reinstate him, but I won’t play him.” In such a case the judicial order, faithfully understood and obeyed by the coach, would require that the coach not consider Player A’s race or religion in managing game minutes. The same would be true if a player were disciplined because of his political viewpoint. To say that a coach can decide not to play a player for many reasons is not to say that all reasons are permissible."

https://verdict.justia.com/2024/01/26/why-some-sports-journalists-may-want-to-go-to-law-school-before-they-opine-about-the-law
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Re: Should Terrence Shannon play while awaiting trial?
« Reply #47 on: January 31, 2024, 06:35:18 PM »
TSJ Update (KS): a subpoena was issued yesterday to a witness involved with the alleged victim demanding “all digital data contained in your phone.” Subpoenaed information is significant. For example: texts, social media data, emails, and any stored/deleted info is all RECOVERED.
5:13 PM · Jan 30, 2024
https://x.com/mitchgilfillan/status/1752470227072204968?s=20

Continued: The subpoena was issued by TSJ’s attorneys. One can only imagine what the information will reveal, but to speculate that the information favors one side is premature. However, if different versions of the story have been communicated by those around the alleged victim, the case could fall like a house of cards. It is just how criminal matters unfold: people cannot help from sharing too much, especially in the age of social media.
https://x.com/mitchgilfillan/status/1752476076620603710?s=20
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Re: Should Terrence Shannon play while awaiting trial?
« Reply #48 on: January 31, 2024, 09:23:37 PM »
Thanks for sharing
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Re: Should Terrence Shannon play while awaiting trial?
« Reply #49 on: January 31, 2024, 10:17:53 PM »
Why not ask for the phone itself and pay some forensic  person to go on there to mine all the relevant info that is still there?
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Re: Should Terrence Shannon play while awaiting trial?
« Reply #50 on: February 01, 2024, 09:13:40 PM »
Quote from: ThePAMan on January 31, 2024, 10:17:53 PM
Why not ask for the phone itself and pay some forensic  person to go on there to mine all the relevant info that is still there?
Cost. Maybe trying to be on better terms with the witness.

100% that the data on the actual phone from a forensic download is generally more expansive and more likely to get the best information on there.
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Re: Should Terrence Shannon play while awaiting trial?
« Reply #51 on: February 01, 2024, 09:24:31 PM »
Somebody’s gonna see her nudes
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Re: Should Terrence Shannon play while awaiting trial?
« Reply #52 on: February 01, 2024, 10:46:34 PM »
Quote from: illinicalvin on February 01, 2024, 09:13:40 PM
Cost. Maybe trying to be on better terms with the witness.

100% that the data on the actual phone from a forensic download is generally more expansive and more likely to get the best information on there.
Would think it was the complaining party's phone info that has been subpoenaed.

He, presumably, spent big bucks on 4 sets of lawyers for the case against Illinois.  You'd think he would not spare the expense on his criminal case. Plus, forensics can pull off texts and crap that have been "deleted" on the phone, provided the area on the phone "hard drive" (for lack of my knowledge of the actual term) where it was stored has not been "written over."
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Re: Should Terrence Shannon play while awaiting trial?
« Reply #53 on: February 02, 2024, 06:02:06 AM »
I am under the impression that this means the phone of the woman who was with the alleged victim is the phone in question, and that the defense is wanting that phone for possible inconsistencies in the story.
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Re: Should Terrence Shannon play while awaiting trial?
« Reply #54 on: February 02, 2024, 07:53:53 AM »
Quote from: No one on February 02, 2024, 06:02:06 AM
I am under the impression that this means the phone of the woman who was with the alleged victim is the phone in question, and that the defense is wanting that phone for possible inconsistencies in the story.

Still a chance for deletions, which is why you would want the actual phone.
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Re: Should Terrence Shannon play while awaiting trial?
« Reply #55 on: February 02, 2024, 09:06:08 AM »
Quote from: ThePAMan on February 02, 2024, 07:53:53 AM
Still a chance for deletions, which is why you would want the actual phone.
From Gilfillan's post ....
"TSJ Update (KS): a subpoena was issued yesterday to a witness involved with the alleged victim demanding “all digital data contained in your phone.” Subpoenaed information is significant. For example: texts, social media data, emails, and any stored/deleted info is all RECOVERED."

I assume TSJ's defense has a better chance of getting the subpoena satisfied than a forensic audit. If it appears that deleted info is not turned over it wouldn't look good for the witness and I would think a request for a forensic audit might cause for a stink to be raised by the attorney(s) for the witness that might not go too far. At the prospect for a forensic audit the witness would probably talk even if it causes the loss of a 'friendship'.
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Re: Should Terrence Shannon play while awaiting trial?
« Reply #56 on: February 02, 2024, 11:10:29 AM »
Quote from: No one on February 02, 2024, 09:06:08 AM
From Gilfillan's post ....
"TSJ Update (KS): a subpoena was issued yesterday to a witness involved with the alleged victim demanding “all digital data contained in your phone.” Subpoenaed information is significant. For example: texts, social media data, emails, and any stored/deleted info is all RECOVERED."

I assume TSJ's defense has a better chance of getting the subpoena satisfied than a forensic audit. If it appears that deleted info is not turned over it wouldn't look good for the witness and I would think a request for a forensic audit might cause for a stink to be raised by the attorney(s) for the witness that might not go too far. At the prospect for a forensic audit the witness would probably talk even if it causes the loss of a 'friendship'.

Whenever you ask for people to turn over stuff stored electronically it is obviously a crap shoot. Granted, the costs of forensic is high. Generally, the forensic audit part is worked out with the witness/lawyers for the witness/parties as part of turning over the phone/computer/whatever. Sometimes the party responding to the subpoena wants a role so the "nudes," as Custard mentioned, that have no part of this, are not produced to the party issuing the subpoena.
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Re: Should Terrence Shannon play while awaiting trial?
« Reply #57 on: March 19, 2024, 02:55:41 PM »
Shannon got final mention as 3rd team All American??

Kid got screwed in part due to this hanging over his head imo. I would certainly say he is better than for sure Sears, maybe the UConn guard as well.

Oh well, take us to the FF TSJ, screw em, and prove to them who you really are!!
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Re: Should Terrence Shannon play while awaiting trial?
« Reply #58 on: March 19, 2024, 03:28:37 PM »
Quote from: ILLINICHIEF on March 19, 2024, 02:55:41 PM
Shannon got final mention as 3rd team All American??

Kid got screwed in part due to this hanging over his head imo. I would certainly say he is better than for sure Sears, maybe the UConn guard as well.

Oh well, take us to the FF TSJ, screw em, and prove to them who you really are!!

Agreed. Use it as motivation! Fuck those voters. He’s easily in the top-3 players in the country.
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Re: Should Terrence Shannon play while awaiting trial?
« Reply #59 on: March 21, 2024, 10:02:46 PM »
Fuck it. He’s playing with a chip on his shoulder and climbing up the draft board.
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