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Re: Other NFL teams/games 2024
« Reply #615 on: May 20, 2024, 03:37:28 PM »
I know you are eagerly awaiting my comments when and if Caleb slightly misthrows a ball that gets picked in the 4th quarter. I expect you’ll be disappointed with the level of patience I expect I’ll show with him as a player.

If he’s a disaster in the attitude or off-field stuff, believe you me, I will pile on him for that. Do I think Caleb will be an off-field disaster? No. Have there been hints that’s on the table? IMO yes.
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« Reply #616 on: May 20, 2024, 03:40:13 PM »
I really hope his dad’s influence wanes as he becomes more entrenched as a professional.
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« Reply #617 on: May 20, 2024, 03:45:33 PM »
FTR, had I been in Caleb Williams’ shoes as a 21 year old; unless being that good changed me in some key ways, I would have been a disaster as a #1 pick at 21. Was I bad a kid? No. But I certainly wouldn’t have been mature enough to lead an NFL franchise, and more than likely I would have been making some questionable decisions.
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« Reply #618 on: May 20, 2024, 03:49:18 PM »
This is just utter bullshit. I point out some possible concerns about Caleb (sparing him of several of the more mainstream ones). For me the biggest concern was the influence of his father, which so far has t reared its head as a pro. I’ve had some minor concerns about his maturity (skipping out on obligated pressers after losses and had some slight concerns over what I call rabbit ears).

As far as his play, the only thing I really poked fun at was that his perceived potential weakneses mirror Justin’s perfectly. I did get a kick out of that. I did praise him for the consistency in his college production, and I’m about 98% sure I said he’s a better natural passer than Justin, which he is. Though I thought Justin was plenty good enough. Caleb had detractors, and not all of them were Justin Fields fans. As noted, I didn’t criticize him for painted nails or crying to his mommy. That was low-hanging fruit that I didn’t go for. You have been super sensitive to any possible critique of Caleb. Particularly if it was off-field stuff. Guess what, off-field matters, too.

You've pointed out dozens of wildly stretchy criticisms of him for months before he was drafted.

You've poked fun at his weaknesses mirroring Justin's perfectly, which of course was an extremely obvious tell that you had not watched the guy play because they aren't really much alike at all.  That was to me the #1 way to tell that a Fields fan hadn't seen much of Caleb: calling him a smaller Fields, or saying they have the same weaknesses.  They play entirely different styles.

I've been as sensitive as I would be to unfounded, stretchy critiques of any player after dealing with your insane defensiveness of Fields last year.  As a reminder, you went nuts on me for complimenting Fields' teammates as if that was a denigration of the guy.  The defensiveness and 'sensitivity' to any founded criticism of his play was insane, and you're now projecting that on to me as a means to make the crazy shit you talked all year seem less crazy in retrospect.  But we all saw it.

I get it - now that it's Williams and Fields is gone, you're on a mission to rewrite your history in the debate to seem more reasonable.  It makes sense, but it's also extremely transparent.

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« Reply #619 on: May 20, 2024, 03:51:17 PM »
I said many many times, Justin needed to play better and be more consistent, and yes, I also attributed some of the blame (no small part for sure) on the lack of support he received. I never once totally absolved Justin of his sometimes lackluster play.

I never ripped Caleb for his car. I said it made me curious to if there have been any changes in him since getting paid. Any scout would wonder the same. Yes, I don’t like the social media videos in which he addresses his “haters.”

Not once did I criticize Fields' play this year and have you respond with acknowledgement of his poor play.  Not a single time.  It was everyone else's fault with literal 100% consistency.  We can pretend otherwise, but I also took part in those discussions and I remember how mad you got when I said "great catch by DJ" because you were more defensive of Justin Fields than I've ever seen someone be about a professional athlete.

And yes, you DID rip Caleb for having a nice car.  If it makes you feel better to pretend you didn't go right ahead, but you and I and everyone else here know you made a thing of his car being too nice.

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« Reply #620 on: May 20, 2024, 03:53:14 PM »
One thing is for sure, I’d like to have seen Justin get the support that Caleb will be getting.

Williams got that support in no small part because Fields was bad in Chicago.

I'd like Caleb to walk into a situation where half the fans didn't spend the last year denigrating him for all kinds of stretchy stupid shit, but here we are.

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« Reply #621 on: May 20, 2024, 03:53:58 PM »
I know you are eagerly awaiting my comments when and if Caleb slightly misthrows a ball that gets picked in the 4th quarter. I expect you’ll be disappointed with the level of patience I expect I’ll show with him as a player.

If he’s a disaster in the attitude or off-field stuff, believe you me, I will pile on him for that. Do I think Caleb will be an off-field disaster? No. Have there been hints that’s on the table? IMO yes.

As long as you extrapolate a lot of ridiculously stupid things into made up meathead "red flags", then sure.  That's stupid, but expected.

There were red flags with Fields too, even before the draft, but you treated him night-and-day differently.  Odd, huh?

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« Reply #622 on: May 20, 2024, 03:55:33 PM »
Let's just say this:  in the Fields and Caleb discussion, you were so far BTC that you couldn't even see the curve.

You were multiple times more dug in than I was on Trubisky, and you mocked me for YEARS for being a year late on Trubisky.

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« Reply #623 on: May 20, 2024, 03:58:08 PM »
I’m on record as saying I didn’t watch much of his tape or see much of his play. But “struggles to play on time, is better off script, and fumbles too much” is an exact description of  Justin Fields. And those were widely accepted profile reports of Caleb.

What is “wildly stretchy” is how much you think I hate Caleb Williams. Will some of the things I expressed concern about not be problems? Sure, that’s probably likely. But I’ll never apologize for placing the Bears future franchise quarterback under the microscope. I’d rather be guilty of that than just naively believing he’s absolutely the hunky doriest off-field prospect ever. I’ll never apologize for poking holes into the #1 overall pick of the Bears profile.
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« Reply #624 on: May 20, 2024, 04:01:30 PM »
Let's just say this:  in the Fields and Caleb discussion, you were so far BTC that you couldn't even see the curve.

You were multiple times more dug in than I was on Trubisky, and you mocked me for YEARS for being a year late on Trubisky.

I saw it enough to say that I understood why you’d move on from Justin and draft Caleb. I just didn’t agree with that decision. IMO I wanted the haul of picks (that maybe weren’t there afterall). I said over and over that Caleb is absolutely the pick if Justin is gone. I think Fields with talent and coaching upgrades and a boatload of picks was a great situation. I stand by that. IMO it was basically close to a can’t lose situation for the Bears.
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« Reply #625 on: May 20, 2024, 04:02:38 PM »
Meaning Justin (with the haul) or Caleb were both wins. I liked the security of knowing what you had in Justin Fields, bash me for that if you will.
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« Reply #626 on: May 20, 2024, 04:13:35 PM »
Did my attachment to Justin Fields add to my desire to poke holes into Caleb Williams? Most likely. But then I’m capable of being admitting my biases. Not sure others are around here.
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« Reply #627 on: May 20, 2024, 04:14:56 PM »
But again, I avoided the low-hanging fruit of “cries to mommy and paints nails.” I scrutinized actual areas I (potentially) saw concern.
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« Reply #628 on: May 20, 2024, 04:22:41 PM »
“Insane defensiveness of Fields.” This is how dug into his own take Spark has become. When some legitimate NFL minds said they’d keep Fields, and there was a huge chorus of “we want Fields!” from Bears fans after his last home game. Any opinion that differs from Spark’s is clearly “insane.”
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« Reply #629 on: May 20, 2024, 04:35:27 PM »
You've pointed out dozens of wildly stretchy criticisms of him for months before he was drafted.

You've poked fun at his weaknesses mirroring Justin's perfectly, which of course was an extremely obvious tell that you had not watched the guy play because they aren't really much alike at all.  That was to me the #1 way to tell that a Fields fan hadn't seen much of Caleb: calling him a smaller Fields, or saying they have the same weaknesses.  They play entirely different styles.

I've been as sensitive as I would be to unfounded, stretchy critiques of any player after dealing with your insane defensiveness of Fields last year.  As a reminder, you went nuts on me for complimenting Fields' teammates as if that was a denigration of the guy.  The defensiveness and 'sensitivity' to any founded criticism of his play was insane, and you're now projecting that on to me as a means to make the crazy shit you talked all year seem less crazy in retrospect.  But we all saw it.

I get it - now that it's Williams and Fields is gone, you're on a mission to rewrite your history in the debate to seem more reasonable.  It makes sense, but it's also extremely transparent.

“Dozens.” Lol talk about wildly stretchy.
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