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Re: 2024 Chicago Bears
« Reply #915 on: April 09, 2024, 10:10:20 AM »
Quote from: spark mandrill on April 08, 2024, 07:44:05 PM
Plenty of blame to go around in the Denver game, for sure.

In those same last 16 minutes the Bears had four possessions.

1. Three and out
2. Fields fumble returned for a touchdown
3. Turnover on downs
4. Fields interception

Both units played well for 3 quarters and melted down in the fourth.

Ok, here’s the entire thing. You detailed the specific failures of the offense (Fields prominently) and glossed over the defensive failures. So, it’s not like I was taking anything out of context.
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Re: 2024 Chicago Bears
« Reply #916 on: April 09, 2024, 10:12:59 AM »
It wasn’t even just “turnover” or “interception,” you made sure to mention they were Fields errors (even though O’Sullivan thought Kmet ran a lazy route). Again, no specific mention of the defense outside of “plenty blame to go around.”
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Re: 2024 Chicago Bears
« Reply #917 on: April 09, 2024, 10:14:28 AM »
Quote from: spark mandrill on April 08, 2024, 10:49:12 PM
Nope - and if he does, it doesn't matter: it's still framed specifically and exclusively to get a rise out of you.

I want to have a real discussion with you, someone whose opinion I typically value, about this but you're so stuck on PAMan openly trolling you that you just troll like he does in response.

Yes, he trolls non-stop. He also believes the great majority of what he posts.
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"He commented more than once that, 'You know, Hitler did some good things, too,'" Kelly recalled to The Times. Kelly said he would usually quash the conversation by saying "nothing (Hitler) did, you could argue, was good," but that Trump would occasionally bring up the topic again.
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Re: 2024 Chicago Bears
« Reply #918 on: April 09, 2024, 10:17:01 AM »
Quote from: spark mandrill on April 08, 2024, 10:50:42 PM
You want me to pretend it was only the defense that lost the game? 

No, but we’re well aware of the mistakes the offense/Fields made. Even in “sharing the blame accordingly,” you highlighted Fields’ mistakes and the closest you came to saying “defense” was “both units.”
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Re: 2024 Chicago Bears
« Reply #919 on: April 09, 2024, 10:32:31 AM »
Quote from: Tempo34 on April 09, 2024, 10:14:28 AM
Yes, he trolls non-stop. He also believes the great majority of what he posts.

How can you be a troll if you believe what you post? Isn't a troll someone who posts inflammatory and irrelevant comments to disrupt the conversation? Saying in a Bear thread Fields sucks ass, which he does, is true. Boom.
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Re: 2024 Chicago Bears
« Reply #920 on: April 09, 2024, 10:33:33 AM »
Now telling Adam Hoge you are concerned about why Williams is not giving the Bear his medicals in a report on Williams being at a golf tournament is trolling.
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Re: 2024 Chicago Bears
« Reply #921 on: April 09, 2024, 12:02:51 PM »
Quote from: Tempo34 on April 09, 2024, 10:08:08 AM
I went with the meat and left out the bread.

You quoted the part that you thought would be a gotcha and dishonestly left out the other part so you could pretend it was a gotcha.

Just pathetic.
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Re: 2024 Chicago Bears
« Reply #922 on: April 09, 2024, 12:03:53 PM »
Quote from: Tempo34 on April 09, 2024, 10:17:01 AM
No, but we’re well aware of the mistakes the offense/Fields made. Even in “sharing the blame accordingly,” you highlighted Fields’ mistakes and the closest you came to saying “defense” was “both units.”

As a reply to your post, which only really mentioned that the defense melted down - yes.

Literally CANNOT EVEN AGREE WITH YOU if the agreement includes an acknowledgement that Fields played poorly.  To the point that you will alter the post someone made to try to claim some cheap gotcha.  It's unbelievable.  Cult shit.

We were all well aware of the mistakes the defense made too - or at least everyone who isn't specifically and openly trolling you! - but the defense (like every other player or coach on the roster) doesn't fall under the Tempo Umbrella of Protection, under which no acknowledgement of poor play can go without a dishonest argument.
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Re: 2024 Chicago Bears
« Reply #923 on: April 09, 2024, 12:04:37 PM »
Quote from: Tempo34 on April 09, 2024, 10:12:59 AM
It wasn’t even just “turnover” or “interception,” you made sure to mention they were Fields errors (even though O’Sullivan thought Kmet ran a lazy route). Again, no specific mention of the defense outside of “plenty blame to go around.”

Sorry, I shouldn't have mentioned WHO committed the turnovers, because acknowledging poor play by Fields simply is not allowed around you.
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Re: 2024 Chicago Bears
« Reply #924 on: April 09, 2024, 12:06:22 PM »
Quote from: Tempo34 on April 09, 2024, 10:10:20 AM
Ok, here’s the entire thing. You detailed the specific failures of the offense (Fields prominently) and glossed over the defensive failures. So, it’s not like I was taking anything out of context.

You pretty clearly were!  When you have to actively change someone's post to make your point, your point probably isn't very good.

Your post didn't mention any blame for any offensive player, only the defense.  In response I said yes, there was plenty of blame to go around - and supplemented your comments about the defense with the offensive performance over the same stretch to point out that BOTH UNITS played well for three quarters and BOTH UNITS melted down in the fourth.  But even agreeing with you is worth an argument if it includes any acknowledgement of poor play by your golden boy.

Do you really not see how fucking weird this shit is?
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Re: 2024 Chicago Bears
« Reply #925 on: April 09, 2024, 02:43:29 PM »
Quote from: ThePAMan on April 09, 2024, 10:33:33 AM
Now telling Adam Hoge you are concerned about why Williams is not giving the Bear his medicals in a report on Williams being at a golf tournament is trolling.

This is a blatant troll. By you.
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Re: 2024 Chicago Bears
« Reply #926 on: April 09, 2024, 02:46:05 PM »
Quote from: spark mandrill on April 09, 2024, 12:06:22 PM
You pretty clearly were!  When you have to actively change someone's post to make your point, your point probably isn't very good.

Your post didn't mention any blame for any offensive player, only the defense.  In response I said yes, there was plenty of blame to go around - and supplemented your comments about the defense with the offensive performance over the same stretch to point out that BOTH UNITS played well for three quarters and BOTH UNITS melted down in the fourth.  But even agreeing with you is worth an argument if it includes any acknowledgement of poor play by your golden boy.

Do you really not see how fucking weird this shit is?

It didn’t “change” anything. I was merely highlighting the important part. The part where you made sure you referenced and highlighted Fields’ turnovers and the offenses’ struggles in particular but never said the word “defense.” Even in “sharing the blame,” you went out of your way to highlight Fields and “his” offense. That’s the point.
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Re: 2024 Chicago Bears
« Reply #927 on: April 09, 2024, 02:50:52 PM »
Quote from: spark mandrill on April 09, 2024, 12:04:37 PM
Sorry, I shouldn't have mentioned WHO committed the turnovers, because acknowledging poor play by Fields simply is not allowed around you.

You were busy “spreading the blame,” why wouldn’t you have mentioned the Fields turnovers and offensive struggles particularly? All the while not really mentioning the defense except the use of the phrase “both units.”
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Re: 2024 Chicago Bears
« Reply #928 on: April 09, 2024, 02:52:52 PM »
If PAMan saw Justin Fields was at a golf tournament while under contract with the Bears, he wouldn’t have stopped bitching about it for months.
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Re: 2024 Chicago Bears
« Reply #929 on: April 09, 2024, 02:56:10 PM »
Spark, let’s get past that nonsense. Can you at least go as far as to say that Fields was given a pretty raw deal here (and hey, sometimes things aren’t “fair.”)? Are you able to agree to that? That would be progress IMO.
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"He commented more than once that, 'You know, Hitler did some good things, too,'" Kelly recalled to The Times. Kelly said he would usually quash the conversation by saying "nothing (Hitler) did, you could argue, was good," but that Trump would occasionally bring up the topic again.
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