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TSJ suspended charged with rape

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Re: TSJ suspended charged with rape
« Reply #465 on: January 19, 2024, 08:50:17 PM »
We should not be surprised. A court used virtually the same reasoning wrt the NCAA transfer rule.
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Re: TSJ suspended charged with rape
« Reply #466 on: January 19, 2024, 09:04:54 PM »
Quote from: Lkdog on January 19, 2024, 08:48:25 PM
Trying to get my head around this.
What if DGL gets pissed off in practice tomorrow and calls Frazier a mthrfcker and tells him to suck his dick.
UW suspends him from team for three games.
DGL sues on Monday to be reinstated and wants monetary damages.

Cites instances where UW regularly uses profanity towards athletes and that the suspension damages his present NIL opportunities and chances for a pro career here or overseas. Notes that players in top 125 rankings in HS typically have opportunities to play pro.

What happens then???

From my understanding, the TRO was granted not because he was suspended and not even because the OSCR policy as written was unfair, but because they didn't grant him a hearing and let him present his evidence and decide whether the suspension was justified based on the evidence.  The judge said he was not granted the due process promised to him under the OSCR (Office of Student Conflict Resolution) policy as written.

I don't claim to have a great grasp of how 'precedent' works in law, but it seems like a poor precedent that a judge (or more specifically, whatever online mock drafts a lawyer can reference) determines who is a valid NBA prospect, and then applies different legal standards to people who do or don't meet the criteria.  That's kind of fucked up.
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Re: TSJ suspended charged with rape
« Reply #467 on: January 19, 2024, 09:08:17 PM »
Ok, so if a coach wants to suspend any athlete in any sport there needs to be a formal hearing.
All are eligible for NIL and can make arguments that it would negatively impact their present earning ability.
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Re: TSJ suspended charged with rape
« Reply #468 on: January 19, 2024, 09:08:27 PM »
They can’t help themselves. They say his followers have TDS, but it’s actually them. It’s quite astonishing…
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Re: TSJ suspended charged with rape
« Reply #469 on: January 19, 2024, 09:18:09 PM »
Quote from: Lkdog on January 19, 2024, 09:08:17 PM
Ok, so if a coach wants to suspend any athlete in any sport there needs to be a formal hearing.
All are eligible for NIL and can make arguments that it would negatively impact their present earning ability.

To some degree, yes - it seems like the same argument would enable any NIL earning athlete to say, you can't suspend me and harm my NIL value without a criminal conviction or at least a formal hearing where you look at my evidence and whatever evidence the cops/DA/SA are willing to provide you against me.

I think it seems absolutely crazy to tell a university they need to determine the likelihood of someone's guilt in a courtroom before they suspend him, but here we are.
« Last Edit: January 19, 2024, 09:21:24 PM by spark mandrill »
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Re: TSJ suspended charged with rape
« Reply #470 on: January 19, 2024, 09:20:38 PM »
The NCAA offers Exceptional Student-Athlete Disability Insurance Program

There is also Loss of Value insurance.

Not just anyone qualifies.
« Last Edit: January 19, 2024, 09:22:36 PM by illiniray »
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Re: TSJ suspended charged with rape
« Reply #471 on: January 19, 2024, 09:25:07 PM »
Maybe Dain Dainja will sue Brad for arbitrarily and capriciously reducing his minutes?
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Re: TSJ suspended charged with rape
« Reply #472 on: January 19, 2024, 09:25:59 PM »
Spark u have to learn to get over it. He did not rape anyone. Today is a good day for Illinois.
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Re: TSJ suspended charged with rape
« Reply #473 on: January 19, 2024, 09:43:41 PM »
Quote from: Beach Bum on January 19, 2024, 09:25:59 PM
Spark u have to learn to get over it. He did not rape anyone. Today is a good day for Illinois.

Do you think the story the alleged victim told is true?
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Re: TSJ suspended charged with rape
« Reply #474 on: January 19, 2024, 10:03:38 PM »
Quote from: spark mandrill on January 19, 2024, 09:18:09 PM
I think it seems absolutely crazy to tell a university they need to determine the likelihood of someone's guilt in a courtroom before they suspend him, but here we are.
No criminal defense attorney really wants their client testifying at such a thing, either.
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Re: TSJ suspended charged with rape
« Reply #475 on: January 19, 2024, 10:31:12 PM »
Quote from: Lkdog on January 19, 2024, 09:08:17 PM
Ok, so if a coach wants to suspend any athlete in any sport there needs to be a formal hearing.
All are eligible for NIL and can make arguments that it would negatively impact their present earning ability.

We probably need to take a step back. The NIL value appears  to relate to an ascertainable right and irreparable harm. That, sliding in the draft, lack of other legal remedies, likelihood of success on merits, the fact he has more to lose than the University given wcs's is or are why he got the tro.

The lack of due process has to do with being accused of a major violation of the student code of conduct. Has nothing to do with NIL or being a pro prospect.

If a player breaks team rules; that falls under BU's discretion.

Violations of DIA rules are under Whitman.

All that iirc

I could be wrong

It happens on rare occasions
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Re: TSJ suspended charged with rape
« Reply #476 on: January 19, 2024, 11:53:17 PM »
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Re: TSJ suspended charged with rape
« Reply #477 on: January 20, 2024, 12:35:39 AM »
Quote from: illiniray on January 19, 2024, 10:31:12 PM
We probably need to take a step back. The NIL value appears  to relate to an ascertainable right and irreparable harm. That, sliding in the draft, lack of other legal remedies, likelihood of success on merits, the fact he has more to lose than the University given wcs's is or are why he got the tro.

The lack of due process has to do with being accused of a major violation of the student code of conduct. Has nothing to do with NIL or being a pro prospect.

If a player breaks team rules; that falls under BU's discretion.

Violations of DIA rules are under Whitman.

All that iirc

I could be wrong

It happens on rare occasions

A lot to unwrap here.

Have to think it presents an ethical dilemma for UI basketball if they now play him. Returning to full eligibility status which the Chancellor now acknowledges puts the onus now on UI basketball if they choose to play him.
One assumes they will.
One also assumes they are not going to now conduct the formal hearing process it was determined he had been denied.

As noted it would be unlikely that anyone here, at a minimum, would not be suspended until resolution of the matter from their job, or even terminated if they were charged with a felony rape charge.

I know people have compared this to the Brandon Miller situation, but he was never charged.

Not sure how I feel about it. I have several friends who feel the same way who also have been Illini fans and/or graduates for decades.


The ultimate determinant of his future lies with the outcome in the Kansas court system - Not the remaining 14 games at UI.
The NBA has seen him for 4. 5 years and where his level is now.
UI can play him but if the matter is still not dropped or resolved in his favor he will have the same dilemma he has now come NBA draft time.
Maybe a team picks him on a flyer in second round or as FA to get his rights with no contract guarantee. Have no idea.

It is certainly uncharted water.

https://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/story/_/id/39345061/shannon-jr-allowed-rejoin-illini-judge-grants-restraining-order




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Re: TSJ suspended charged with rape
« Reply #478 on: January 20, 2024, 12:58:44 AM »
Glad to see some people here believe in Star Chamber justice where you aren't given the opportunity to defend yourself. So much for Guenther Jr."s "process."
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Re: TSJ suspended charged with rape
« Reply #479 on: January 20, 2024, 01:00:23 AM »
Quote from: Mn on January 19, 2024, 02:05:37 PM
Did the UIUC cop forward that to Whitman ? If not, then  .....
If no charges were ever filed, then .......

Leitner said he "anticipated" charges, not that they were filed or forthcoming.

So either Guenther Jr. lied or his "process" here was incompetent. Pick your poison.
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