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Re: Bears @ Browns
« Reply #405 on: December 17, 2023, 08:06:15 PM »
Yeah, it’s sarcasm.

It's stupid as fuck, and extremely childish.  You're better than this tantrum meltdown you're in the middle of, I think.

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« Reply #406 on: December 17, 2023, 08:13:08 PM »
It's stupid as fuck, and extremely childish.  You're better than this tantrum meltdown you're in the middle of, I think.

For some reason you keep making excuses for him (and none of us) and it’s weird. It’s almost like you defend him like he defends Fields…😁
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"He commented more than once that, 'You know, Hitler did some good things, too,'" Kelly recalled to The Times. Kelly said he would usually quash the conversation by saying "nothing (Hitler) did, you could argue, was good," but that Trump would occasionally bring up the topic again.

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Re: Bears @ Browns
« Reply #408 on: December 17, 2023, 08:32:14 PM »
https://www.nbcsportschicago.com/nfl/chicago-bears/bears-analysis/bears-offensive-problems-vs-browns-indicative-of-larger-non-justin-fields-issue/526218/

Thought this article was super fair - anybody who looked at the game today and thought Fields was the ONLY problem on offense is just as full of shit as the people who want Fields to be immune from all criticism.  He wasn't the only problem, and I never said or implied he was (you treat me like I'm saying that, though).  The running game wasn't good, the playcalling was bad - no doubt.  There was a reason I mentioned the playcalling first, and in more forceful terms, when I listed the 'reasons' for the loss today.

But among the very biggest problems with the offense, as your article seems to acknowledge (but you never do) is that Fields was mediocre.  Again.  This is the third week in a row you've had to try to put lipstick on a pig in the passing game, and a big thing I wanted to see this year given the potential to pick a top QB was to see him be better than that as a passer consistently.  Given that he's basically played anywhere close to the level I'd like to see from him consistently only a few times all year - and frankly, not for a few weeks now - it's going to be hard for him to pass that 'consistency test'.  I thought this week was a great test re: Fields, to play against a talented defense that actually hasn't been playing all that well the last few weeks.  But here I am again, with you explaining to me Fields played poorly because of other people.

The Tonyan drop sucked today.  That's a tough one.  They happen to everyone sometimes, but that's a tough one.  It's an opportunity Fields took advantage of, but that was lost through someone else's poor play.  But he also had at least two balls today that looked like easy picks and were missed.  He fumbled twice.  He made the Jameis Winston "just launch it in the air while you're wrapped up" play that drives me so crazy at least once.  Those were mistakes of Fields' that weren't taken advantage of, that were lost through someone else's poor play.

I'm not okay with as you say "expecting perfection" from the receivers (i.e., 'what are his numbers and the score like with an 80 yard TD added?') while not also "expecting perfection" from the defense you're hyping up so much (i.e. 'what are his numbers and the score like with at least one pick six and another INT with a long return?').  Either add both hypotheticals, or neither.

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Re: Bears @ Browns
« Reply #409 on: December 17, 2023, 08:33:44 PM »
He didn’t lose any fumbles and the one on the sideline didn’t even look like a fumble. The ground caused it IMO. He didn’t turn the ball over today (but there were some almost turnovers!).

This is fair.

"He commented more than once that, 'You know, Hitler did some good things, too,'" Kelly recalled to The Times. Kelly said he would usually quash the conversation by saying "nothing (Hitler) did, you could argue, was good," but that Trump would occasionally bring up the topic again.

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Re: Bears @ Browns
« Reply #410 on: December 17, 2023, 08:35:31 PM »
Add in an 80 yard touchdown pass and take away two bullshit Hail Mary INTs and I bet he had the best day a visiting quarterback has had all year. On a wet and windy field.
"He commented more than once that, 'You know, Hitler did some good things, too,'" Kelly recalled to The Times. Kelly said he would usually quash the conversation by saying "nothing (Hitler) did, you could argue, was good," but that Trump would occasionally bring up the topic again.

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Re: Bears @ Browns
« Reply #411 on: December 17, 2023, 08:43:32 PM »
Add in an 80 yard touchdown pass and take away two bullshit Hail Mary INTs and I bet he had the best day a visiting quarterback has had all year. On a wet and windy field.

But also add a couple more INTs.  This is my point.

I'm not saying to take away the INTs on his record - I think it's very fair to say that neither INT, even the one that actually was intercepted (lol), was his 'fault' or anything he did wrong - they're Hail Marys.  No problem with him on either Hail Mary play (the game plan/play calling that led to that point, on the other hand, I had a lot of problem with), whether they're picks or not.  They're just prayers.  That's why they call it a Hail Mary.  Like criticizing someone for not making a half court shot at the buzzer.

But you're demanding perfection from his WR - every drop is an excuse.  So isn't it only fair that you also acknowledge "if any fuck up by someone else is an excuse then you have to include the fuck ups that saved him from a couple other INTs"?

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Re: Bears @ Browns
« Reply #412 on: December 17, 2023, 08:46:23 PM »
MVP favorite Brock Purdy’s day in Cleveland this year.

"He commented more than once that, 'You know, Hitler did some good things, too,'" Kelly recalled to The Times. Kelly said he would usually quash the conversation by saying "nothing (Hitler) did, you could argue, was good," but that Trump would occasionally bring up the topic again.

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Re: Bears @ Browns
« Reply #413 on: December 17, 2023, 08:52:01 PM »
MVP favorite Brock Purdy’s day in Cleveland this year.



Wasn't that BEFORE Cleveland had guys going down faster than a 20 dollar lady of the evening?

As Spark noted,  the Brown D has not been that good the last month plus... until today. Hmmmmm....
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Re: Bears @ Browns
« Reply #414 on: December 17, 2023, 08:52:02 PM »
MVP favorite Brock Purdy’s day in Cleveland this year.



If I cherry picked a mediocre QB who had a good game, or a terrible one who had a game similar to Fields' today - would it convince you that their defense wasn't that good?

I think their defense overall has been pretty good.  As your article pointed out, good offenses - actually, even a few mediocre offenses - have scored on them quite a bit this year.  I didn't think it was out of the question that Fields looked good coming into today, although I expected a game more like what we got.

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Re: Bears @ Browns
« Reply #415 on: December 17, 2023, 08:52:45 PM »
Cherry picked. Lol ok
"He commented more than once that, 'You know, Hitler did some good things, too,'" Kelly recalled to The Times. Kelly said he would usually quash the conversation by saying "nothing (Hitler) did, you could argue, was good," but that Trump would occasionally bring up the topic again.

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Re: Bears @ Browns
« Reply #416 on: December 17, 2023, 08:53:06 PM »
For some reason you keep making excuses for him (and none of us) and it’s weird. It’s almost like you defend him like he defends Fields…😁

Interesting observation there, Judge Judy....
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Re: Bears @ Browns
« Reply #417 on: December 17, 2023, 08:53:23 PM »
Their defense has been much better at home.
"He commented more than once that, 'You know, Hitler did some good things, too,'" Kelly recalled to The Times. Kelly said he would usually quash the conversation by saying "nothing (Hitler) did, you could argue, was good," but that Trump would occasionally bring up the topic again.

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Re: Bears @ Browns
« Reply #418 on: December 17, 2023, 08:54:07 PM »
Cherry picked. Lol ok

So they have not been giving up over 25 points a game the last 5 games until today?
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« Reply #419 on: December 17, 2023, 08:54:21 PM »
It would be hard for that comparison to be less cherry picked.
"He commented more than once that, 'You know, Hitler did some good things, too,'" Kelly recalled to The Times. Kelly said he would usually quash the conversation by saying "nothing (Hitler) did, you could argue, was good," but that Trump would occasionally bring up the topic again.