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Re: Bears @ Browns
« Reply #375 on: December 17, 2023, 07:20:28 PM »
Quote from: Aging out Linebacker on December 17, 2023, 07:17:36 PM
Still waiting on the list of reasons we lost the game. In order of importance.

Terrible offensive play calling and mediocre as fuck QB play.  That hasn’t changed or anything, you’ve just ignored it.  This is the fourth time I’ve posted it.  Those were the main reasons we lost - terrible play calling and mediocre QB play.  The defense played well enough to win.  The offense did not.
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Re: Bears @ Browns
« Reply #376 on: December 17, 2023, 07:20:52 PM »
Quote from: Aging out Linebacker on December 17, 2023, 07:07:49 PM
If Tonyan catches a perfectly thrown deep ball no one gives a fuck. We’re celebrating a win.

Not necessarily true, but ok.
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Re: Bears @ Browns
« Reply #377 on: December 17, 2023, 07:22:34 PM »
Quote from: Aging out Linebacker on December 17, 2023, 06:57:13 PM
If Tonyan catches that ball no one is bitching. Cleveland gives up 159 per game in the air with a 75 passer rating. I don’t know what Fields was (the two INTs were Hail Marys, one which should have been caught for a game winning touchdown). Sorry, a good NFL receiver catches a ball that falls in his lap. The Tonyan drop cost him 60 yards and a TD (and the win), but I know I know, if Fields plays better we win. Blah blah blah puke blah blah blah.

The Cleveland D is banged up and has been giving up, what, 25 per game the last 3 to 4 weeks?
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Re: Bears @ Browns
« Reply #378 on: December 17, 2023, 07:24:19 PM »
Quote from: Aging out Linebacker on December 17, 2023, 06:23:56 PM
Interesting. Now give us your review on the OLine, the clock management, the run game, and the receiving performance. I wait with bated breath.

For a guy who 24 hours ago mocked the notion that  they need OL, you now sure think they suck.
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Re: Bears @ Browns
« Reply #379 on: December 17, 2023, 07:30:02 PM »
Quote from: ThePAMan on December 17, 2023, 07:22:34 PM
The Cleveland D is banged up and has been giving up, what, 25 per game the last 3 to 4 weeks?

Saw a thing the other day that in the last five games they were 27th in PPG, 26th in QBR allowed, and 19th in sack rate.

A great defense though, no doubt about it.  Garrett is an absolute beast.
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Re: Bears @ Browns
« Reply #380 on: December 17, 2023, 07:30:47 PM »
Quote from: Aging out Linebacker on December 17, 2023, 07:12:44 PM
Dude, Fields put up better numbers against Denver in one game than Mahomes did in two (Mahomes sucked against Denver). But for some reason Fields’ game was against a weak opponent and Mahomes’ 2 mediocre games against them don’t really seem to count.

Would you take Mahomes over Fields? Do you see how stupid this sounds? Also there’s a reason people feel the way they do about these two and they’re drastically different.
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Re: Bears @ Browns
« Reply #381 on: December 17, 2023, 07:33:31 PM »
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Re: Bears @ Browns
« Reply #382 on: December 17, 2023, 07:36:26 PM »
Quote from: Aging out Linebacker on December 17, 2023, 07:12:44 PM
Dude, Fields put up better numbers against Denver in one game than Mahomes did in two (Mahomes sucked against Denver). But for some reason Fields’ game was against a weak opponent and Mahomes’ 2 mediocre games against them don’t really seem to count.

Of course it counts.  Mahomes played badly against Denver, I've certainly never said otherwise.  We're not arguing about whether Mahomes is worth keeping (and if we were, it wouldn't be much of an argument).

"Mahomes played badly against them" wasn't an answer to the question I was asking you though, which was "is Denver a good passing defense?"  You knew the answer was "no" obviously, but you couldn't say that because you can't admit the truth if it might undercut your preconception so you started trying to deflect with Mahomes' stats.  Like you literally couldn't even say, "no, Denver isn't a very good passing defense" because Fields had a good game against them.

Denver's passing defense isn't very good though, regardless of what they did against Mahomes.  We can pretend otherwise, if you'd like, but that is still true.  They're 7th worst in completion%, 7th worst in yards per attempt, 8th worst in total yards, and 5th worst in passing TD.  Those numbers include the two games against Mahomes.  They are not a very good passing defense.
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Re: Bears @ Browns
« Reply #383 on: December 17, 2023, 07:42:39 PM »
TD drops? They don’t factor in to Fields’ play. Near INTs? Oh, those factor in alright!
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Re: Bears @ Browns
« Reply #384 on: December 17, 2023, 07:45:44 PM »
Quote from: Aging out Linebacker on December 17, 2023, 07:42:39 PM
TD drops? They don’t factor in to Fields’ play. Near INTs? Oh, those factor in alright!

Is this something someone somewhere is saying?  Or did you make it up?

I've said pretty explicitly a few times, I'm fine with counting neither or both.  Counting one and not the other is obviously stupid.

I don't think the 'near INTs' count any more or less than the offensive drops.  They're both plays that should've been made, but were not.
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Re: Bears @ Browns
« Reply #385 on: December 17, 2023, 07:45:55 PM »
Quote from: Judge Judy on December 17, 2023, 07:33:31 PM
Sounds like here. I like Trey…

https://x.com/treygriffy/status/1736525897857917036?s=46&t=nLWTarDKWNHMqYhTVD-LQQ

Trey knows how to use the most base stats to make a stupid argument. Yay for Trey. Look at Fields’ numbers compared to other QBs who’ve played at Cleveland this year. They’re about average. And when you factor in drops they would have been significantly better. How many of those incompletions were throwaways? Was Fields great today? No. But he was better than probably anyone else on the offense. Including his coach.
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"He commented more than once that, 'You know, Hitler did some good things, too,'" Kelly recalled to The Times. Kelly said he would usually quash the conversation by saying "nothing (Hitler) did, you could argue, was good," but that Trump would occasionally bring up the topic again.
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Re: Bears @ Browns
« Reply #386 on: December 17, 2023, 07:48:43 PM »
At least this is fair criticism. This is from a scout, who probably wouldn’t be quick to call out coaching. Particularly from a team he used to work for.


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"He commented more than once that, 'You know, Hitler did some good things, too,'" Kelly recalled to The Times. Kelly said he would usually quash the conversation by saying "nothing (Hitler) did, you could argue, was good," but that Trump would occasionally bring up the topic again.
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Re: Bears @ Browns
« Reply #387 on: December 17, 2023, 07:50:32 PM »
It’s Fields’ fault, Obvi!

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Re: Bears @ Browns
« Reply #388 on: December 17, 2023, 07:52:01 PM »
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« Reply #389 on: December 17, 2023, 07:54:00 PM »
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