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Re: Bears @ Browns
« Reply #345 on: December 17, 2023, 06:29:39 PM »
Quote from: Aging out Linebacker on December 17, 2023, 06:28:04 PM
Catch the fucking ball man. It fell in your lap and you had your forearms under it. Dude is not a difference maker, sorry.

Hahahahaha

He’s right.  It was a tough play, falling backwards off a tipped Hail Mary.  You don’t care though.
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Re: Bears @ Browns
« Reply #346 on: December 17, 2023, 06:31:08 PM »
Quote from: Aging out Linebacker on December 17, 2023, 06:29:11 PM
Justin Fields isn’t why we lost. If he gets even a tiny bit more help on offense we win.

Or if he plays at an average NFL starters level, we win.

He did not.

I watched the game with a buddy, big Browns fan.  He’s been pretty bullish that the Bears should keep Fields.  After the game he told me it was time for Chicago to move on.

Anecdotal, and he isn’t a scout or GM either by any means, but that’s what the Browns fan I watched with said.
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Re: Bears @ Browns
« Reply #347 on: December 17, 2023, 06:35:06 PM »
I really do believe in my heart that if Fields went out there and went 1/22 passing with four picks but there were three drops and Getsy made a bad play call to get stuffed on fourth and one, you would spend all your time talking about Getsy and the drops and still not criticize Fields.

If you watched that game today and the harshest criticism you’re willing to provide was “he wasn’t perfect today - he wasn’t even HOF level - BUT..” then it’s pretty clear no play would be poor enough for you to criticize the guy for.
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Re: Bears @ Browns
« Reply #348 on: December 17, 2023, 06:52:37 PM »
Quote from: spark mandrill on December 17, 2023, 06:35:06 PM
I really do believe in my heart that if Fields went out there and went 1/22 passing with four picks but there were three drops and Getsy made a bad play call to get stuffed on fourth and one, you would spend all your time talking about Getsy and the drops and still not criticize Fields.

If you watched that game today and the harshest criticism you’re willing to provide was “he wasn’t perfect today - he wasn’t even HOF level - BUT..” then it’s pretty clear no play would be poor enough for you to criticize the guy for.

Of course…
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"He commented more than once that, 'You know, Hitler did some good things, too,'" Kelly recalled to The Times. Kelly said he would usually quash the conversation by saying "nothing (Hitler) did, you could argue, was good," but that Trump would occasionally bring up the topic again.
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« Reply #349 on: December 17, 2023, 06:57:13 PM »
Quote from: spark mandrill on December 17, 2023, 06:31:08 PM
Or if he plays at an average NFL starters level, we win.

He did not.

I watched the game with a buddy, big Browns fan.  He’s been pretty bullish that the Bears should keep Fields.  After the game he told me it was time for Chicago to move on.

Anecdotal, and he isn’t a scout or GM either by any means, but that’s what the Browns fan I watched with said.

If Tonyan catches that ball no one is bitching. Cleveland gives up 159 per game in the air with a 75 passer rating. I don’t know what Fields was (the two INTs were Hail Marys, one which should have been caught for a game winning touchdown). Sorry, a good NFL receiver catches a ball that falls in his lap. The Tonyan drop cost him 60 yards and a TD (and the win), but I know I know, if Fields plays better we win. Blah blah blah puke blah blah blah.
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"He commented more than once that, 'You know, Hitler did some good things, too,'" Kelly recalled to The Times. Kelly said he would usually quash the conversation by saying "nothing (Hitler) did, you could argue, was good," but that Trump would occasionally bring up the topic again.
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« Reply #350 on: December 17, 2023, 07:00:09 PM »
Quote from: Aging out Linebacker on December 17, 2023, 06:57:13 PM
If Tonyan catches that ball no one is bitching. Cleveland gives up 159 per game in the air with a 75 passer rating. I don’t know what Fields was (the two INTs were Hail Marys, one which should have been caught for a game winning touchdown). Sorry, a good NFL receiver catches a ball that falls in his lap. The Tonyan drop cost him 60 yards and a TD (and the win), but I know I know, if Fields plays better we win. Blah blah blah puke blah blah blah.

Tonyan’s drop results in a win, sure - IF you only count that one, and not the multiple dropped picks.  But why would one hypothetical count and the others not?

I’m fine with counting all the plays that SHOULDVE been made (which IMO does not include the tipped Hail Mary, which was a prayer for a miracle in any case), or sticking only to the plays that WERE made - but the thing where we do the hypothetical for plays that would’ve made Fields’ numbers look better and not for plays that would’ve made them look worse is stupid.  Every QB would look better if you erased all the drops from his guys but left all the defensive drops as they happened.

I read that the NFL statisticians can revoke an INT in a situation like the first Hail Mary if the ball wasn’t snapped afterwards - I assume if that’s true, they will and he’ll only be credited for 1 INT since the first one obviously should’ve been incomplete.  I don’t hold the last INT against Fields at all.  It’s a prayer.
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Re: Bears @ Browns
« Reply #351 on: December 17, 2023, 07:02:52 PM »
Looks like the average completion rate at Cleveland for opposing quarterbacks is 53%. So not that far off of average. And again, everyone around Fields was so GOOD today. How was he not above 60?
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"He commented more than once that, 'You know, Hitler did some good things, too,'" Kelly recalled to The Times. Kelly said he would usually quash the conversation by saying "nothing (Hitler) did, you could argue, was good," but that Trump would occasionally bring up the topic again.
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« Reply #352 on: December 17, 2023, 07:03:26 PM »
Quote from: Aging out Linebacker on December 17, 2023, 07:02:52 PM
Looks like the average completion rate at Cleveland for opposing quarterbacks is 53%. So not that far off of average. And again, everyone around Fields was so GOOD today. How was he not above 60?

He wasn’t very good today.

That isn’t a controversial statement to anyone who isn’t more dug in on Fields than on reality.
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« Reply #353 on: December 17, 2023, 07:03:38 PM »
Mahomes never has picks dropped. Only touchdowns.
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"He commented more than once that, 'You know, Hitler did some good things, too,'" Kelly recalled to The Times. Kelly said he would usually quash the conversation by saying "nothing (Hitler) did, you could argue, was good," but that Trump would occasionally bring up the topic again.
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Re: Bears @ Browns
« Reply #354 on: December 17, 2023, 07:04:06 PM »
Quote from: spark mandrill on December 17, 2023, 07:03:26 PM
He wasn’t very good today.

That isn’t a controversial statement to anyone who isn’t more dug in on Fields than on reality.

Apparently no one is very good at Cleveland.
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"He commented more than once that, 'You know, Hitler did some good things, too,'" Kelly recalled to The Times. Kelly said he would usually quash the conversation by saying "nothing (Hitler) did, you could argue, was good," but that Trump would occasionally bring up the topic again.
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« Reply #355 on: December 17, 2023, 07:04:46 PM »
Quote from: Aging out Linebacker on December 17, 2023, 07:03:38 PM
Mahomes never has picks dropped. Only touchdowns.

Is this something someone somewhere is saying, or did you just make it up?

Mahomes has the highest drop rate in the league.  He has certainly had picks dropped, and also touchdowns dropped.
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« Reply #356 on: December 17, 2023, 07:04:51 PM »
He’d have been better with help that was better than pathetic.
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"He commented more than once that, 'You know, Hitler did some good things, too,'" Kelly recalled to The Times. Kelly said he would usually quash the conversation by saying "nothing (Hitler) did, you could argue, was good," but that Trump would occasionally bring up the topic again.
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« Reply #357 on: December 17, 2023, 07:05:23 PM »
Quote from: spark mandrill on December 17, 2023, 07:04:46 PM
Is this something someone somewhere is saying, or did you just make it up?

Mahomes has the highest drop rate in the league.  He has certainly had picks dropped, and also touchdowns dropped.

Mahomes suffers drops.
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"He commented more than once that, 'You know, Hitler did some good things, too,'" Kelly recalled to The Times. Kelly said he would usually quash the conversation by saying "nothing (Hitler) did, you could argue, was good," but that Trump would occasionally bring up the topic again.
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« Reply #358 on: December 17, 2023, 07:05:51 PM »
Quote from: Aging out Linebacker on December 17, 2023, 07:04:51 PM
He’d have been better with help that was better than pathetic.

He also could’ve just played better.  But he didn’t.  He played poorly.
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« Reply #359 on: December 17, 2023, 07:07:05 PM »
Quote from: spark mandrill on December 17, 2023, 07:05:51 PM
He also could’ve just played better.  But he didn’t.  He played poorly.

Derp.
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