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Re: THE JFC Thread!
« Reply #3360 on: December 30, 2023, 05:50:06 PM »
Poles getting his 2nd rounder (and a lot more back from Washington would be some Kevin Costner/Draft Day type shit lol).

https://www.profootballrumors.com/2023/12/commanders-could-be-in-on-usc-qb-caleb-williams
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« Reply #3361 on: December 30, 2023, 07:00:19 PM »
Quote from: spark mandrill on December 30, 2023, 01:37:24 PM
A WR in the top 10 obviously isn’t a particularly safe pick.  If it was that list would look different.

But I know, MHJ can’t miss - a scouting report told you.

I’d say over half of them were “hits,” with 8 or 9 being slam dunk HOFers. That’s a pretty good ratio.
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« Reply #3362 on: December 30, 2023, 07:06:47 PM »
I think over the last 7-8 years Wr has become the easiest position to project.
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« Reply #3363 on: December 30, 2023, 07:08:20 PM »
Quote from: Tempo34 on December 30, 2023, 07:00:19 PM
I’d say over half of them were “hits,” with 8 or 9 being slam dunk HOFers. That’s a pretty good ration.

Pretty similar ratios to the QB list which you insist is far too risky to draft high - you’ve posted that list a bunch of times.  Some great guys, some huge busts, mostly just “guys”.  And obviously WR is far deeper and you’re far more likely to get a great one in later rounds.

None of that is really important to you though because you are dug in on Justin Fields despite his play so far.
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« Reply #3364 on: December 30, 2023, 07:09:01 PM »
Quote from: Tempo34 on December 30, 2023, 07:06:47 PM
I think over the last 7-8 years Wr has become the easiest position to project.

Yes this is why the best guy in the league was picked in the fifth round and most of the most productive guys at the position weren’t drFted high.

Can’t make it up.  The actual results just don’t matter to you in the face of defending Justin Fields.
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« Reply #3365 on: December 30, 2023, 07:15:32 PM »
Quote from: Tempo34 on December 30, 2023, 01:12:09 PM
I count about 10 HOFers on your list. And they didn’t have to be taken #1 overall. In fact, none of them were.

Name the 10 HOFers
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« Reply #3366 on: December 30, 2023, 07:23:46 PM »
Quote from: spark mandrill on December 30, 2023, 07:08:20 PM
Pretty similar ratios to the QB list which you insist is far too risky to draft high - you’ve posted that list a bunch of times.  Some great guys, some huge busts, mostly just “guys”.  And obviously WR is far deeper and you’re far more likely to get a great one in later rounds.

None of that is really important to you though because you are dug in on Justin Fields despite his play so far.

I think the miss rate is higher on #1 overall QBs. And we’re comparing top 10s to 1s. And again, if you bust at 5 with Nabers, you’ve still got a Terry McLaurin and a large handful of high picks in my scenario. Solid chance Washington would give you a top 3 pick next year (2025).
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« Reply #3367 on: December 30, 2023, 07:36:48 PM »
Quote from: spark mandrill on December 30, 2023, 12:52:27 PM
top-10 picks at WR since 2000

Drake London, Garrett Wilson, Ja’Marr Chase, Jaylen Waddle, De’Vonta Smith, Corey Davis, Mike Williams, John Ross, Amari Cooper, Kevin White, Sammy Watkins, Mike Evans, Tavon Austin, Justin Blackmon, AJ Green, Julio Jones, Derrius Heyward-Bey, Michael Crabtree, Calvin Johnson, Ted Ginn Jr., Braylon Edwards, Troy Williamson, the other Mike Williams, Larry Fitzgerald, Roy Williams, Reggie Williams, Charles Rogers, Andre Johnson, David Terrell, Koren Robinson, Peter Warrick, Plaxico Burress.

Pretty similar to the QB list.  A few HOFers, a few huge busts, a bunch of “just a guy” types. Often the best WR wasn’t the first WR taken in a given draft.

No one here, including you, knows if MHJ will be a bust.  More likely if he ends up on a team with a QB who isn’t a very good passer obviously.

Slam dunks: AJ Green, Julio Jones, Calvin Johnson, Larry Fitzgerald, Andre Johnson, Mike Evans,

Maybe: Amari Cooper, Roy Williams (1x All Pro, 5x pro bowler)

Hall of Really Good: Crabtree, Mike Williams (Chargers)

HOF trajectory: Chase, Waddle (251 catches/3 1,000 yard seasons to start career). Devonta Smith off to a really good start in his career.

London and Wilson have loads of potential but are stuck in really bad situations.

Watkins’ two best years were 1 and 2 and was never quite the same after an injury.
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« Reply #3368 on: December 30, 2023, 07:42:55 PM »
Andre Johnson is on his third try and hasn’t gotten in yet.  Calvin’s already in.  Julio, Fitz, and AJ are getting in.  If he stays healthy Chase will get in.

Mike Evans is a maybe, but probably not IMO.

Roy Williams has no chance.  That he’s even on your maybe list is awesome.  Think you grabbed the safety’s achievements - the WR was a 1x pro bowler.

Waddle is on pace to have a very good career, but not a HOF one.  Devonta Smith would have to explode to have a chance.  Both are the second WR on their current team behind guys that weren’t high picks, obviously young though.

I count 5 likely HOF guys, with a couple “maybe probably not”s and a couple “maybe if they really blow up to finish their career”s.
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« Reply #3369 on: December 30, 2023, 07:46:13 PM »
I think Mike Evans has 10 1,000 yard seasons in 10 years. He’s in.
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« Reply #3370 on: December 30, 2023, 07:47:40 PM »
Quote from: Tempo34 on December 30, 2023, 07:46:13 PM
I think Mike Evans has 10 1,000 yard seasons in 10 years. He’s in.

Okay, probably fair.
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« Reply #3371 on: December 30, 2023, 07:49:13 PM »
Smith has 250 receptions in his first three years. If he keeps it up. He’s a probable HOF. Same with Waddle. When Hill ages out, he’ll be the clear 1 in Miami if he’s still there. The production these two have put up first three years is pretty rare. It only seems normal because of what young receivers are doing these days, which supports my point.
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« Reply #3372 on: December 30, 2023, 07:51:26 PM »
Ha, you’re right on Williams. Thought that seemed a bit high for him. Ok, put him in the Hall of Pretty Solid.
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« Reply #3373 on: December 30, 2023, 07:59:00 PM »
Quote from: spark mandrill on December 30, 2023, 07:08:20 PM
Pretty similar ratios to the QB list which you insist is far too risky to draft high - you’ve posted that list a bunch of times.  Some great guys, some huge busts, mostly just “guys”.  And obviously WR is far deeper and you’re far more likely to get a great one in later rounds.

None of that is really important to you though because you are dug in on Justin Fields despite his play so far.

The vast majority of the current top receivers in the league were 1st and 2nd rounders. A few exceptions. Hill, Diggs, Kupp.
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« Reply #3374 on: December 30, 2023, 08:30:02 PM »
Quote from: Tempo34 on December 30, 2023, 07:51:26 PM
Ha, you’re right on Williams. Thought that seemed a bit high for him. Ok, put him in the Hall of Pretty Solid.

He was pretty solidly just “a guy”

The safety was good though.
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