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Re: THE JFC Thread!
« Reply #2190 on: December 13, 2023, 12:01:02 PM »
Quote from: spark mandrill on December 13, 2023, 11:58:56 AM
The same place as the one that shows the Lions jumping on the worst defensive play of the year and gifting the Bears a TD - half of Fields’ passing TD total since the Washington game.

That’s a PAMan answer if I ever saw one.
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"He commented more than once that, 'You know, Hitler did some good things, too,'" Kelly recalled to The Times. Kelly said he would usually quash the conversation by saying "nothing (Hitler) did, you could argue, was good," but that Trump would occasionally bring up the topic again.
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« Reply #2191 on: December 13, 2023, 12:01:30 PM »
Quote from: Can’t Miss Quarterback on December 13, 2023, 11:58:05 AM
They contradict your narrative that there’s no discernible improvement. Better passer rating than Joe Burrow and Trevor Lawrence this year.

I don’t know how many dozen times I can tell you that “there’s no discernible improvement” is a narrative YOU made up, not me.  I have said that he’s shown some improvement at least a dozen times, but you don’t care.
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« Reply #2192 on: December 13, 2023, 12:02:36 PM »
Quote from: Can’t Miss Quarterback on December 13, 2023, 12:01:02 PM
That’s a PAMan answer if I ever saw one.

Why is “context” valid if it confirms your belief, but “a PAMan answer” if it doesn’t?
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« Reply #2193 on: December 13, 2023, 12:03:25 PM »
Quote from: spark mandrill on December 13, 2023, 12:01:30 PM
I don’t know how many dozen times I can tell you that “there’s no discernible improvement” is a narrative YOU made up, not me.  I have said that he’s shown some improvement at least a dozen times, but you don’t care.

Just as I’ve said dozens of times now that the case to move on from Fields is justifiable and that it would “unfortunate” for Caleb if he was handed to Getsy, but you don’t care.
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"He commented more than once that, 'You know, Hitler did some good things, too,'" Kelly recalled to The Times. Kelly said he would usually quash the conversation by saying "nothing (Hitler) did, you could argue, was good," but that Trump would occasionally bring up the topic again.
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« Reply #2194 on: December 13, 2023, 12:05:01 PM »
Quote from: Can’t Miss Quarterback on December 13, 2023, 12:00:16 PM
Justin was horrendous the first 3 games, no doubt. He’s been better since. And yes, peaked weeks 4 and 5. But better since.

Better than the first three weeks, yeah - definitely.  That’s an exceptionally low bar for a QB in his 34th-36th NFL start.

Since the Washington game he’s played at a pace that, were he healthy for a full season, would result in 3200 yards passing with 10 TD, 5 INT.

If that’s the type of improvement you were looking for post-Commanders game and you want to claim some kind of victory like he’s been way better go right ahead.  I was looking for more improvement than that.
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« Reply #2195 on: December 13, 2023, 12:05:58 PM »
Quote from: spark mandrill on December 13, 2023, 12:02:36 PM
Why is “context” valid if it confirms your belief, but “a PAMan answer” if it doesn’t?

So the great cadence (according to Kmet,) the situational awareness and throwing a perfect strike downfield count for nothing? It’s a PAMan take. From central casting.
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"He commented more than once that, 'You know, Hitler did some good things, too,'" Kelly recalled to The Times. Kelly said he would usually quash the conversation by saying "nothing (Hitler) did, you could argue, was good," but that Trump would occasionally bring up the topic again.
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« Reply #2196 on: December 13, 2023, 12:07:20 PM »
Quote from: Can’t Miss Quarterback on December 13, 2023, 12:03:25 PM
Just as I’ve said dozens of times now that the case to move on from Fields is justifiable and that it would “unfortunate” for Caleb if he was handed to Getsy, but you don’t care.

Huh?  I’ve acknowledged both things.  I’m glad you think moving on would be justified, but just like with my view it doesn’t matter.

You also went on and on about how if Getsy was still around he’d surely be improved.  Probably true - but if he’s so bad that you can’t even evaluate his QB then that’s probably true of the next guy too, even with another year of experience.  If it’s not true then they can’t justify moving on from him - after all, he’ll obviously be better next season whether it’s Caleb or Justin.
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« Reply #2197 on: December 13, 2023, 12:09:56 PM »
I said a more experienced version of himself. And I used the word “likely,” not “surely.” You need to look in the mirror sometimes. You’re mischaracterizing what I said.
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"He commented more than once that, 'You know, Hitler did some good things, too,'" Kelly recalled to The Times. Kelly said he would usually quash the conversation by saying "nothing (Hitler) did, you could argue, was good," but that Trump would occasionally bring up the topic again.
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« Reply #2198 on: December 13, 2023, 12:10:42 PM »
Quote from: Can’t Miss Quarterback on December 13, 2023, 12:05:58 PM
So the great cadence (according to Kmet,) the situational awareness and throwing a perfect strike downfield count for nothing? It’s a PAMan take. From central casting.

There’s no fucking way you’re going to try to act like this play was anything other than an absolutely inexcusable mental mistake from the Lions right?  Like you must be kidding.

There’s no reason for anyone to even considering jumping on 4th and 13 when the Bears are extremely obviously planning on taking a delay and punting the ball.

Like you’re just being absolutely ridiculous now.  It was a fine throw on a busted coverage free play where the only reason the ball was snapped at all was because a defender made the biggest mental blunder you’ll probably see in an NFL game this year.

If you’re really willing to come here and point at that fucking play as some great play by Justin Fields we are done here.  That’s an absolute joke and you know it.
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« Reply #2199 on: December 13, 2023, 12:12:26 PM »
So when Aaron Rodgers takes advantage of the other teams’ mental errors those plays don’t count as good plays?
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« Reply #2200 on: December 13, 2023, 12:12:54 PM »
Quote from: Can’t Miss Quarterback on December 13, 2023, 12:09:56 PM
I said a more experienced version of himself. And I used the word “likely,” not “surely.” You need to look in the mirror sometimes. You’re mischaracterizing what I said.

You could not more clearly be setting up a justification to be a “no excuses” guy if the Bears draft Caleb Williams.

At the same time when we talk about if they keep Fields you’re saying shit like “well if they stay healthy and have time to build cohesion then you can evaluate him next year”.

If you can’t see it I don’t know what to tell you.  You are arguing using extremely different standards for a guy with 35 starts than a rookie.  It’s crazy.
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« Reply #2201 on: December 13, 2023, 12:14:40 PM »
If Aaron Rodgers makes that play the narrative is “Damn, that Aaron Rodgers is crafty.”
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« Reply #2202 on: December 13, 2023, 12:14:49 PM »
Quote from: Can’t Miss Quarterback on December 13, 2023, 12:12:26 PM
So when Aaron Rodgers takes advantage of the other teams’ mental errors those plays don’t count as good plays?

If over 3.5 weeks one of the two touchdown throws Aaron Rodgers had was on a 4th and 13 with the most inexplicable offsides jump I’ve ever seen, I’d probably say “Rodgers hasn’t been very good in the passing game” even if he took advantage of a maybe once-a-season type disaster mistake.

That touchdown was an absolute fucking gift, and if you’re unwilling to even acknowledge that fact you’re not really arguing from a reasonable place IMO.
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« Reply #2203 on: December 13, 2023, 12:15:46 PM »
I never once said Caleb would be fortunate to have Getsy. I did say it would be UNFORTUNATE, like 8 times.
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« Reply #2204 on: December 13, 2023, 12:15:57 PM »
Quote from: Can’t Miss Quarterback on December 13, 2023, 12:14:40 PM
If Aaron Rodgers makes that play the narrative is “Damn, that Aaron Rodgers is crafty.”

Absolutely not.

If it was 4th and 1 from the 30 then yes, I’d be here singing Fields’ praises.

4th and 13 from the 38 setting up to take a delay penalty?  God no.  That is a gift whether it’s Fields or Rodgers or Tom Brady.
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