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Re: THE JFC Thread!
« Reply #2205 on: December 13, 2023, 12:16:29 PM »
Quote from: Can’t Miss Quarterback on December 13, 2023, 12:15:46 PM
I never once said Caleb would be fortunate to have Getsy. I did say it would be UNFORTUNATE, like 8 times.

Nor did I say you said that, but thanks
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« Reply #2206 on: December 13, 2023, 12:22:01 PM »
Definitely a big mental error. Still a good play by the Bears.
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"He commented more than once that, 'You know, Hitler did some good things, too,'" Kelly recalled to The Times. Kelly said he would usually quash the conversation by saying "nothing (Hitler) did, you could argue, was good," but that Trump would occasionally bring up the topic again.
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« Reply #2207 on: December 13, 2023, 12:22:48 PM »
Quote from: spark mandrill on December 13, 2023, 12:16:29 PM
Nor did I say you said that, but thanks

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"He commented more than once that, 'You know, Hitler did some good things, too,'" Kelly recalled to The Times. Kelly said he would usually quash the conversation by saying "nothing (Hitler) did, you could argue, was good," but that Trump would occasionally bring up the topic again.
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« Reply #2208 on: December 13, 2023, 12:24:23 PM »
I can’t be more clear. If Caleb Williams gets saddled with Getsy, too bad for him. Still a more experienced version of himself than Fields got. Not controversial.
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"He commented more than once that, 'You know, Hitler did some good things, too,'" Kelly recalled to The Times. Kelly said he would usually quash the conversation by saying "nothing (Hitler) did, you could argue, was good," but that Trump would occasionally bring up the topic again.
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« Reply #2209 on: December 13, 2023, 12:25:52 PM »
Taking advantage of mental errors- GOOD. But not THAT mental error.
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"He commented more than once that, 'You know, Hitler did some good things, too,'" Kelly recalled to The Times. Kelly said he would usually quash the conversation by saying "nothing (Hitler) did, you could argue, was good," but that Trump would occasionally bring up the topic again.
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« Reply #2210 on: December 13, 2023, 12:27:39 PM »
Quote from: Can’t Miss Quarterback on December 13, 2023, 12:24:23 PM
I can’t be more clear. If Caleb Williams gets saddled with Getsy, too bad for him. Still a more experienced version of himself than Fields got. Not controversial.

Correct, which is why no one has argued with that notion yet.

Also not controversial: if Getsy is such a bad OC that his play calling is a valid excuse for a QB to play poorly, that should be just as true for a third year QB this year as it would be for a rookie QB next year.  If it’s not a valid excuse for a QB to play poorly, then that should be just as true for the rookie next year as it is for a third year QB this year.

Not controversial.
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« Reply #2211 on: December 13, 2023, 12:28:45 PM »
Situational awareness, intangibles, who cares. Just show me the statz.
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"He commented more than once that, 'You know, Hitler did some good things, too,'" Kelly recalled to The Times. Kelly said he would usually quash the conversation by saying "nothing (Hitler) did, you could argue, was good," but that Trump would occasionally bring up the topic again.
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« Reply #2212 on: December 13, 2023, 12:29:50 PM »
Quote from: Can’t Miss Quarterback on December 13, 2023, 12:25:52 PM
Taking advantage of mental errors- GOOD. But not THAT mental error.

It’s great that we took advantage of the mental error.

It’s insane to act like it was something to point to re: Fields performance, and not an extremely rare level of mental mistake by the defense that created it.

Without Fields making the read and throw, it’s not a touchdown - agree.  He did that, he threw the touchdown.  Without the inexplicable mistake by the defense, the Bears punt on 4th and 18 from the Lions’ 43.
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« Reply #2213 on: December 13, 2023, 12:30:02 PM »
Quote from: spark mandrill on December 13, 2023, 12:27:39 PM
Correct, which is why no one has argued with that notion yet.

Also not controversial: if Getsy is such a bad OC that his play calling is a valid excuse for a QB to play poorly, that should be just as true for a third year QB this year as it would be for a rookie QB next year.  If it’s not a valid excuse for a QB to play poorly, then that should be just as true for the rookie next year as it is for a third year QB this year.

Not controversial.

So zero chance Getsy gets even a little bit better over 3-4 years. Got it.
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"He commented more than once that, 'You know, Hitler did some good things, too,'" Kelly recalled to The Times. Kelly said he would usually quash the conversation by saying "nothing (Hitler) did, you could argue, was good," but that Trump would occasionally bring up the topic again.
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« Reply #2214 on: December 13, 2023, 12:30:26 PM »
Quote from: Can’t Miss Quarterback on December 13, 2023, 12:28:45 PM
Situational awareness, intangibles, who cares. Just show me the statz.

Come on man, you said you would stop doing this bullshit.
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« Reply #2215 on: December 13, 2023, 12:30:44 PM »
Quote from: Can’t Miss Quarterback on December 13, 2023, 12:30:02 PM
So zero chance Getsy gets even a little bit better over 3-4 years. Got it.

You said you would stop doing this shit man.
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« Reply #2216 on: December 13, 2023, 12:31:01 PM »
Quote from: Can’t Miss Quarterback on December 13, 2023, 12:25:52 PM
Taking advantage of mental errors- GOOD. But not THAT mental error.

You said you would stop doing this shit.
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« Reply #2217 on: December 13, 2023, 12:32:30 PM »
Quote from: spark mandrill on December 13, 2023, 12:30:44 PM
You said you would stop doing this shit man.

I can't believe this discussion. I need a break from this place.
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"He commented more than once that, 'You know, Hitler did some good things, too,'" Kelly recalled to The Times. Kelly said he would usually quash the conversation by saying "nothing (Hitler) did, you could argue, was good," but that Trump would occasionally bring up the topic again.
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« Reply #2218 on: December 13, 2023, 12:33:34 PM »
So Getsy can get better with experience?
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« Reply #2219 on: December 13, 2023, 12:38:50 PM »
Quote from: Can’t Miss Quarterback on December 13, 2023, 12:33:34 PM
So Getsy can get better with experience?

Yes.  More experience usually leads to at least some level of improvement.

He probably DID get better with experience already, right?  He’s better in year 2 than year 1?  But you still think “Getsy is the OC” is a valid excuse for Fields when he plays poorly.  How much credit are you willing to give Getsy for the big obvious improvement you see in Fields’ passing?

You made a thread titled “Luke Gutless” because he had a game plan that had Fields complete like 15-20 passes at or behind the LOS, and then a couple weeks later you pointed to Fields’ “adjusted completion” stat since that game to show how improved he was.

I think if the expectation is for a year 3 Getsy is to be notably better than a year 2 Getsy, then it would be really unfair to Fields to fire Getsy and make Fields learn another new offense (assuming they keep Fields).

But I don’t think - were they to actually keep both guys - you would stop using Getsy’s play calling as an excuse to defend Fields next year.  I think you are ranting about Getsy’s potential improvement as a means to set up a situation where you criticize Caleb Williams from game one and give him none of the long list of excuses you’re still using to defend Fields, if they go that direction instead.
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