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Re: THE JFC Thread!
« Reply #1470 on: December 10, 2023, 10:38:40 AM »
Quote from: spark mandrill on December 10, 2023, 10:36:57 AM
Back to bad faith nonsense like clockwork.

When it’s all you have that supports your point - and it’s clear that it is - your point probably isn’t all that good.  Something I know you’ll never consider.

You sound like PAMan re: Denver. Dismissing the defensive collapse almost entirely. It was a team loss.
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"He commented more than once that, 'You know, Hitler did some good things, too,'" Kelly recalled to The Times. Kelly said he would usually quash the conversation by saying "nothing (Hitler) did, you could argue, was good," but that Trump would occasionally bring up the topic again.
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« Reply #1471 on: December 10, 2023, 10:38:50 AM »
Quote from: Troy Aikman’s Lackey on December 10, 2023, 10:32:24 AM
The fumble was backbreaking, but it was a team loss.

He turned the ball over twice, plus a third one on downs, in the final seven minutes of a 3 point loss and not only isn’t that his fault, but this is actually part of the two game stretch showing that we should keep him as our QB.

Incredible how the evaluation changes 180 degrees depending on whether the results make Fields look good or look bad, huh?
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« Reply #1472 on: December 10, 2023, 10:40:34 AM »
Quote from: spark mandrill on December 10, 2023, 10:35:51 AM
Nope, nobody said that.  Surprised you’re not more impressed given Bagent’s work with the same nightmare roster and coaching staff that excuse all of Fields’ poor performances though.

The Denver Broncos gave up 70 points and then the next week Fields had a great first half and then handed them the ball three times in the last final minutes of a loss, and we’re supposed to act like that’s some monumental feat.

The Washington Commanders are the worst passing defense in the league by far but we’re supposed to act like Fields lighting them up is some monumental feat.

It’d just be nice if you even pretended to evaluate people consistently but you don’t.  When people point out the Broncos have been a bad passing defense you point to the Mahomes game, but when Tyson Bagent comes up you immediately handwave it because the teams he beat weren’t good enough.  You argue one thing when it supports your preconception and the exact opposite when it contradicts your preconception.

JJ and PAMan have repeated the 2-2 mantra dozens upon dozens of times…
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"He commented more than once that, 'You know, Hitler did some good things, too,'" Kelly recalled to The Times. Kelly said he would usually quash the conversation by saying "nothing (Hitler) did, you could argue, was good," but that Trump would occasionally bring up the topic again.
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« Reply #1473 on: December 10, 2023, 10:41:01 AM »
Quote from: Troy Aikman’s Lackey on December 10, 2023, 10:38:40 AM
You sound like PAMan re: Denver. Dismissing the defensive collapse almost entirely. It was a team loss.

You sound like someone desperate to make Fields out to be better than he has been.

Yep, it was a team loss.  Every loss is.  Fields contributed a lot to it personally.  You don’t want to acknowledge that though.  If the Bears had simply not turned the ball over three times in the last seven minutes they would have won even with the defensive struggles.  They did though.  This is one of the two games that are your main evidence to keep him.

I just wish you’d even feign at logical consistency.  You throw it completely out the window and it makes your point look even worse than it would if you were honest and willing to occasionally criticize Fields without making 3-5 excuses.
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« Reply #1474 on: December 10, 2023, 10:42:11 AM »
Quote from: Troy Aikman’s Lackey on December 10, 2023, 10:37:32 AM
It can be true that Getsy sucks and the fumble was a killer. Justin needs to protect the ball better. He also needs coaches that put him in better situations. Fields will be an NFL starter somewhere next year. Getsy will likely be demoted to a lesser role.

Based on his draft position and potential probably, yes. Doesn’t mean he will magically be able to do things that he wasn’t here?! Many organizations will HOPE he plays better. I hope he does, but he hasn’t proven it yet. Good QB play in the NFL is rare, so many teams will take those chance on potential. He’s just gotta live up to it and prove he’s good. He hasn’t so far.
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Re: THE JFC Thread!
« Reply #1475 on: December 10, 2023, 10:42:58 AM »
Well if Denver were so bad you’d think Mahomes could have done more than go for 1 TD and 3 INTs and a 1-1 record.

As I’ve had to tell PAMan multiple times, the NFL isn’t fucking college. It’s a week to week league.
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« Reply #1476 on: December 10, 2023, 10:43:46 AM »
Quote from: Troy Aikman’s Lackey on December 10, 2023, 10:40:34 AM
JJ and PAMan have repeated the 2-2 mantra dozens upon dozens of times…

And you’ve repeated the “Denver/Washington games” mantra twice as many, no doubt.

But the fact that they came against bad passing defenses doesn’t matter to you - you in fact will argue endlessly with someone who points out that fact.  The opponent is only relevant when evaluating Bagent, not Fields.  The roster and Playcalling are only relevant when evaluating Fields, not Bagent.

It’s the most obvious dishonest bad faith stuff and it undercuts your argument that you have to do it so consistently to make your point.  If your point was good you could argue it without wildly shifting how you evaluate guys to fluff it up.
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« Reply #1477 on: December 10, 2023, 10:44:00 AM »
Quote from: Troy Aikman’s Lackey on December 10, 2023, 10:40:34 AM
JJ and PAMan have repeated the 2-2 mantra dozens upon dozens of times…

BECAUSE YOU'RE NOT LISTENING!!!!

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« Reply #1478 on: December 10, 2023, 10:44:08 AM »
Quote from: Troy Aikman’s Lackey on December 10, 2023, 10:42:58 AM
Well if Denver were so bad you’d think Mahomes could have done more than go for 1 TD and 3 INTs and a 1-1 record.

As I’ve had to tell PAMan multiple times, the NFL isn’t fucking college. It’s a week to week league.

Do you think Denver has a good passing defense?  The numbers indicate that they do not.
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« Reply #1479 on: December 10, 2023, 10:44:33 AM »
Quote from: spark mandrill on December 10, 2023, 10:41:01 AM
You sound like someone desperate to make Fields out to be better than he has been.


Maybe I am.
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"He commented more than once that, 'You know, Hitler did some good things, too,'" Kelly recalled to The Times. Kelly said he would usually quash the conversation by saying "nothing (Hitler) did, you could argue, was good," but that Trump would occasionally bring up the topic again.
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« Reply #1480 on: December 10, 2023, 10:45:02 AM »
Quote from: spark mandrill on December 10, 2023, 10:44:08 AM
Do you think Denver has a good passing defense?  The numbers indicate that they do not.

And yet Patrick Mahomes couldn’t solve them in two games.
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« Reply #1481 on: December 10, 2023, 10:45:46 AM »
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« Reply #1482 on: December 10, 2023, 10:46:07 AM »
Quote from: Troy Aikman’s Lackey on December 10, 2023, 10:45:02 AM
And yet Patrick Mahomes couldn’t solve them in two games.

It’s a yes or no question.

Do you think Denver has a good passing defense?
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« Reply #1483 on: December 10, 2023, 10:46:33 AM »
Quote from: Troy Aikman’s Lackey on December 10, 2023, 10:44:33 AM
Maybe I am.

It’s exceedingly clear that you are, yeah.
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« Reply #1484 on: December 10, 2023, 10:47:26 AM »
Quote from: Troy Aikman’s Lackey on December 10, 2023, 10:45:02 AM
And yet Patrick Mahomes couldn’t solve them in two games.

Tom Brady once lost to a really bad team, I’m sure of it. Maybe he’s not as good as we thought!!!

See how fucking dumb that sounds?!
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