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Re: THE JFC Thread!
« Reply #75 on: November 30, 2023, 10:38:53 AM »
“Wait until everything is perfect around him.” Things have barely been adequate for any length of time.
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« Reply #76 on: November 30, 2023, 10:40:47 AM »
Quote from: Tempo34 on November 30, 2023, 10:33:26 AM
It’s inarguable that Fields has been better his last 6 starts or so. Certainly not perfect, but better.

You’re setting an insanely low bar here though.  Yes he has been better than he was previously, but previously he looked like one of the worst QBs in the league.

Even in this 6 start stretch you’re touting, he’s had 2 full games with 1 or 0 passing touchdowns, a game with under 100 passing yards, and a half against Minnesota where he looked pretty bad.  It’s not like he suddenly turned a corner and has been really good consistently - he had good games against Denver and Washington, and then pretty typical (for him) mediocre games in the other four.
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« Reply #77 on: November 30, 2023, 10:42:42 AM »
When he was perfectly healthy 8 TDs in two games with 130 passer ratings “is an extremely low bar?”
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« Reply #78 on: November 30, 2023, 10:46:26 AM »
I think the overwhelming consensus was that he was better than “mediocre” in the Detroit game. Yeah, if you just want to look at stats it wasn’t HOF worthy. He hadnt played in a month and IMO clearly looked bothered by the thumb on some throws.

His game vs Minnesota was pretty solid minus the fumbles (sure they were bad), but a lot of guys might have caved mentally and not been able to lead a game winning scoring drive. If your point is he’s not Joe Burrow yet, point taken.
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« Reply #79 on: November 30, 2023, 10:46:50 AM »
If a guy has started 33 games and your justification to want to keep him is “well but look at these two games 5 weeks ago”, that is a prettt flimsy justification IMO.

If he was doing that consistently things would feel different but even since those two games he has turned back into inconsistent, often mediocre dude he was before that.

Yes, I think saying “he has improved over the last 6 games” is setting a very low bar.
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« Reply #80 on: November 30, 2023, 10:49:21 AM »
Last year he was literally given a bottom 5 offensive line and possibly the worst NFL receiving corps I’ve ever seen in 44 years of watching NFL football. And saddled with an inexperienced OC who couldn’t figure out how to play to his strengths. Certainly not consistently.
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« Reply #81 on: November 30, 2023, 10:50:03 AM »
Quote from: Tempo34 on November 30, 2023, 10:46:26 AM
I think the overwhelming consensus was that he was better than “mediocre” in the Detroit game. Yeah, if you just want to look at stats it wasn’t HOF worthy. He hadnt played in a month and IMO clearly looked bothered by the thumb on some throws.

His game vs Minnesota was pretty solid minus the fumbles (sure they were bad), but a lot of guys might have caved mentally and not been able to lead a game winning scoring drive. If your point is he’s not Joe Burrow yet, point taken.

always an excuse.

He probably played well enough to win the Detroit game - mediocre QBs do that sometimes.  Nothing about it made me think “man, we can’t let this guy go” though.  I can’t imagine why it would’ve.  It was a fine game, but by no means anything remotely special.  Again, 4 TO from the defense in that game, 2 in the Lions half, and he got 1 TD and 1 FG out of it.  Like think about this - the Bears are +6 over the last two games in turnovers, and they’ve been out scored on the drives after those turnovers 14-13.  Just can’t imagine thinking that is good enough.
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« Reply #82 on: November 30, 2023, 10:51:08 AM »
Did PAMan hack your account?
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« Reply #83 on: November 30, 2023, 10:51:24 AM »
No I just watch the games
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« Reply #84 on: November 30, 2023, 10:51:44 AM »
Again, who are you drafting?
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« Reply #85 on: November 30, 2023, 10:55:22 AM »
See the earlier post in which I responded to the question.

I’m not qualified to evaluate them, but surely one of those top-2 QBs assuming Carolina doesn’t start winning games
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« Reply #86 on: November 30, 2023, 10:56:21 AM »
Not only who are you drafting, but who are you handing the reins of the franchise to?
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« Reply #87 on: November 30, 2023, 10:59:08 AM »
Caleb Williams has a very similar scouting profile to Justin Fields coming out, and is less athletic. He’s also exhibiting multiple red flags and refusing to do press conferences.

Drake Maye has been throughly mediocre the last month, and just got pounded by NC State 39-20.
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« Reply #88 on: November 30, 2023, 11:00:51 AM »
Quote from: Tempo34 on November 30, 2023, 10:59:08 AM
Caleb Williams has a very similar scouting profile to Justin Fields coming out, and is less athletic. He’s also exhibiting multiple red flags and refusing to do press conferences.

Drake Maye has been throughly mediocre the last month, and just got pounded by NC State 39-20.

I should’ve known you were one of the dudes on Reddit analyzing Caleb Williams body language to stump for Fields, my bad.

I haven’t seen a scout negatively compare Williams to Fields as a prospect yet, but maybe so.  I don’t think “a college kid crying because he lost a big game / his season’s goals” is a red flag personally.

If Fields had been really good maybe you can consider passing on those guys but he has not.
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« Reply #89 on: November 30, 2023, 11:01:44 AM »
Drake Maye is 4-4 in the ACC. He lit up Campbell pretty good though.
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