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THE JFC Thread!

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Re: THE JFC Thread!
« Reply #60 on: November 29, 2023, 10:53:05 PM »
Does he have flaws? Yes, not any good I wouldn’t say that.
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« Reply #61 on: November 30, 2023, 09:18:37 AM »
I simply don't believe that all last off-season when you were hyping him up you were envisioning this mediocre ass season.  I didn't say he is "not any good", I said he isn't very good.  And he isn't.  He's a mediocre QB thusfar, including this year - when we really, really needed him to take an obvious step forward to justify sticking with him in the future.  He has not taken an obvious step forward.

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« Reply #62 on: November 30, 2023, 09:24:52 AM »
You don’t think incorporating 30+ new players in one year, training camp (and beyond) injuries, questionable coaching and offensive schemes and game plans, could offer some potential stumbling blocks?

I’ve acknowledged a thousand times he has flaws and needs to improve on them; but you don’t find his play from Denver on generally encouraging?
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« Reply #63 on: November 30, 2023, 09:28:33 AM »
Do you watch All 22 reviews like JT O’Sullivan? I wish I had a dollar for every time he’s said something like “this is not a play in the NFL,” or “this is not a play on Friday night, Saturday morning, Saturday afternoon or Sunday.” He’s clowning the scheme and play design.
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« Reply #64 on: November 30, 2023, 09:30:38 AM »
Again, I am not saying Justin is elite. But he’s a top 18 quarterback in the NFL right now with a clear path to getting higher.
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« Reply #65 on: November 30, 2023, 09:31:39 AM »
Watch Chase Daniel’s all 22 from last Sunday in which he titled it “Justin Fields is still not the problem.”
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« Reply #66 on: November 30, 2023, 09:34:18 AM »
Talk about lighting the bat signal holy shit 
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« Reply #67 on: November 30, 2023, 09:38:53 AM »
Talk about lighting the bat signal holy shit

Yeah, this is great.
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« Reply #68 on: November 30, 2023, 10:20:09 AM »
I think they’re nice excuses for people who are bullish on Fields but I don’t think they’re problems that haven’t been overcome consistently by actually good quarterbacks over the years.  It seems like a lot of Fields fans want to argue that it’s tough to get a read on him unless everything around him is perfect, and that just isn’t a realistic standard.  I’m not here to defend the playcalling which has not been good, but Fields hasn’t really been good either.  Those things aren’t mutually exclusive.

The Bears defense has gotten 8 turnovers in the last two weeks, four of which resulted in starting field position past the 50.  They also got a turnover on downs last week in Vikings territory - that’s 9 turnovers, 5 of which resulted in a drive that started in the opponent’s territory.  Fields has led the offense to 1 touchdown and 2 FG in those situations.  He’s been an absolute disaster in pretty much all late game situations, and any 3rd and medium+ where he has to throw - if he isn’t a threat to run, he’s horrible.  Even last week in his first fourth quarter comeback he needed three tries at it because he fumbled the first two away.  Those aren’t good signs.

You were bullish on him all last off-season, and then the first 5-6 games he looked like one of the worst QBs in the league.  He’s turned things up a bit for sure, but even now the “good” Fields games aren’t anything special by any means, and are still inconsistent and relatively rare.  I just can’t imagine, barring having come into the season desperate for your preconception to play out, seeing his play this year and thinking “this is good enough”, especially given the very rare opportunity to take a high plus QB prospect early in the draft.
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« Reply #69 on: November 30, 2023, 10:28:09 AM »
I’d love to see a psychologist/psychiatrist weigh in on the FFF phenomenon.
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« Reply #70 on: November 30, 2023, 10:33:26 AM »
It’s inarguable that Fields has been better his last 6 starts or so. Certainly not perfect, but better.
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« Reply #71 on: November 30, 2023, 10:34:33 AM »
So who would you take?
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« Reply #72 on: November 30, 2023, 10:35:27 AM »
I feel like I’m reading a less beligerent PAMan’s takes here.
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« Reply #73 on: November 30, 2023, 10:35:50 AM »
FWIW I definitely don’t think Tempo is a “Fields Fan First,” I think he just really wants the QB the Bears already have to be really good and worth keeping (which WOULD be ideal).

At some point it’s time to acknowledge that it just didn’t work though.

I like Fields, I hope if the Bears move on from him he has success elsewhere.  I just don’t think running it back with him is going to produce considerably better production from the QB position and what we’ve gotten from him so far in his career isn’t good enough by a long shot.

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« Reply #74 on: November 30, 2023, 10:37:55 AM »
So who would you take?

Not my job, isn’t that your line?  :)

No but on a serious note I am uniquely unqualified to evaluate a potential NFL QB.  I just think the opportunity to take a guy scouts seem to think can be great (and scouts seem to have positive things to say about both the top QB prospects) is rare enough that a team as mediocre as the Bears would be foolish to pass on it unless they’re 100% confident they have their guy at QB already, and I don’t think there’s any way anyone could honestly say they’re confident of that right now.