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Re: Tyler Bagent will take the Bear to the Super Bowl?
« Reply #30 on: October 18, 2023, 01:34:46 PM »
I haven’t ruled out anything completely. But I think Gardner Minshew is probably the ceiling for Tyson. Which would be excellent. For a backup.
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Re: Tyler Bagent will take the Bear to the Super Bowl?
« Reply #31 on: October 18, 2023, 01:36:03 PM »
Quote from: Tempo34 on October 18, 2023, 01:34:46 PM
I haven’t ruled out anything completely. But I think Gardner Minshew is probably the ceiling for Tyson. Which would be excellent. For a backup.

I'm willing to wait and see. Sounds like we'll get a few games. I'm not going to pretend to know.
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Re: Tyler Bagent will take the Bear to the Super Bowl?
« Reply #32 on: October 18, 2023, 01:36:09 PM »
Quote from: Jobu on October 18, 2023, 01:34:00 PM
Sure, but I don't think less than 30 minutes of NFL game time is enough.

It’s probably enough for an expert to conclude he lacks arm talent. That doesn’t mean he can’t be good if he’s good enough at several other things. There have been successful NFL QBs without great arms.
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Re: Tyler Bagent will take the Bear to the Super Bowl?
« Reply #33 on: October 18, 2023, 01:37:50 PM »
Quote from: Tempo34 on October 18, 2023, 01:36:09 PM
It’s probably enough for an expert to conclude he lacks arm talent.

I'm not sure I agree with that. Again, I'm not saying he has it or he doesn't, but we're gonna find out.

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Re: Tyler Bagent will take the Bear to the Super Bowl?
« Reply #34 on: October 18, 2023, 01:40:42 PM »
*probably* always a chance for misevaluation. But in the last 14 hours I’ve heard a former player and a former personnel director say his lack of arm strength was apparent. Time will tell.

Arm strength isn’t a prerequisite to being good. Helps a lot though.
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Re: Tyler Bagent will take the Bear to the Super Bowl?
« Reply #35 on: October 18, 2023, 02:10:52 PM »
Quote from: Jobu on October 18, 2023, 01:33:19 PM
I'm not saying I'm confident in his abilities at all. But I would kinda like to see him play a little before I come to any conclusions.

It's possible people get missed. Certainly not likely given the scouting and technology and what not, but it's possible.

As we have seen, guys are missed on all the time. Especially when the Bear trade multiple draft picks, blah blah blah, for QBs.

Yeah, the odds are he sucks. Maybe he can play a little smarter with some prep and be marginally competent. It could be an improvement. Or a complete and utter Henry Burris-type disaster.
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Re: Tyler Bagent will take the Bear to the Super Bowl?
« Reply #36 on: October 18, 2023, 02:13:56 PM »
Quote from: Jobu on October 18, 2023, 01:37:50 PM
I'm not sure I agree with that. Again, I'm not saying he has it or he doesn't, but we're gonna find out.

We will not need over 2.5 years OR* 50 starts to figure it out. The next couple of weeks, probably, is his one shot. He either look remotely competent or he does not. If not, move on.

*Edit: Took out "and" and replaced with "OR"
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Re: Tyler Bagent will take the Bear to the Super Bowl?
« Reply #37 on: October 18, 2023, 02:14:45 PM »
Quote from: ThePAMan on October 18, 2023, 02:13:56 PM
We will not need over 2.5 years and 50 starts to figure it out. The next couple of weeks, probably, is his one shot. He either look remotely competent or he does not. If not, move on.

Yep. Agreed.
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Re: Tyler Bagent will take the Bear to the Super Bowl?
« Reply #38 on: October 18, 2023, 02:15:38 PM »
Quote from: ThePAMan on October 18, 2023, 02:13:56 PM
We will not need over 2.5 years and 50 starts to figure it out. The next couple of weeks, probably, is his one shot. He either look remotely competent or he does not. If not, move on.

50 starts over 2.5 years isn’t even mathematically possible.
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Re: Tyler Bagent will take the Bear to the Super Bowl?
« Reply #39 on: October 18, 2023, 02:17:49 PM »
Quote from: Tempo34 on October 18, 2023, 02:15:38 PM
50 starts over 2.5 years isn’t even mathematically possible.

I should have typed "or" instead of "and" there. My mistake.
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Re: Tyler Bagent will take the Bear to the Super Bowl?
« Reply #40 on: October 18, 2023, 02:20:35 PM »
Quote from: ThePAMan on October 18, 2023, 02:17:49 PM
I should have typed "or" instead of "and" there. My mistake.

You obviously conflated Mitch and Justin. Whether or not that was done purposefully, only you can say.
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Re: Tyler Bagent will take the Bear to the Super Bowl?
« Reply #41 on: October 18, 2023, 02:22:14 PM »
Quote from: Tempo34 on October 18, 2023, 02:20:35 PM
You obviously conflated Mitch and Justin. Whether or not that was done purposefully, only you can say.

I was covering that Fields has had 2.5 years in the league (and you still claim more time is needed to evaluate him) and your "Mitch got 50 starts so should Fields"-type arguments.
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Re: Tyler Bagent will take the Bear to the Super Bowl?
« Reply #42 on: October 18, 2023, 02:27:26 PM »
Quote from: ThePAMan on October 18, 2023, 02:22:14 PM
I was covering that Fields has had 2.5 years in the league (and you still claim more time is needed to evaluate him) and your "Mitch got 50 starts so should Fields"-type arguments.

I never said Fields “should get 50 starts.” I was making the case that it’s unfair that Mitch gets 50 while tons of people were wanting to launch Justin after 26. Or in your case, maybe 10.

I did feel Justin deserved at least the rest of this year. Most teams are not going to give up on a QB they’ve invested so much in only 2 years. Again, most. And before you present the 49ers, they don’t give up on Lance if they didn’t have Purdy. We don’t have a Brock Purdy.
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Re: Tyler Bagent will take the Bear to the Super Bowl?
« Reply #43 on: October 18, 2023, 02:32:19 PM »
His name is Tys-, oh never mind.
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Re: Tyler Bagent will take the Bear to the Super Bowl?
« Reply #44 on: October 18, 2023, 02:38:13 PM »
Quote from: Tempo34 on October 18, 2023, 02:27:26 PM
I never said Fields “should get 50 starts.” I was making the case that it’s unfair that Mitch gets 50 while tons of people were wanting to launch Justin after 26. Or in your case, maybe 10.

I did feel Justin deserved at least the rest of this year. Most teams are not going to give up on a QB they’ve invested so much in only 2 years. Again, most. And before you present the 49ers, they don’t give up on Lance if they didn’t have Purdy. We don’t have a Brock Purdy.

Mitch should not have been able to start 50 games. We all know he sucked far sooner than that.

Yet, the 49er hedged and re-signed Jimmy G at the time for a reason.

Fields will get another chance just like Mitch has had a few chances since he left Chicago. Everyone thinks they are better than the previous coaches and can fix a guy. Not everyone is Geno Smith though.
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