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Re: Da Economy
« Reply #510 on: April 17, 2026, 12:22:27 PM »
Quote from: ThePAMan on April 17, 2026, 12:16:38 PM
This is an underrated point since we are not moving to electric vehicles at the rate the Chinese seem to be.

If we moved to electric vehicles, no one would give a shit about the Russians, Saudis, Iranians, Strait of Hormuz, etc.

Republicans on the test - Where does Milk come from? "Aldi's"

If we make a bunch of money now selling all of our oil, we can buy all the oil we want later, we can just call the oil fairy.
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« Reply #511 on: April 17, 2026, 12:22:52 PM »
Quote from: ThePAMan on April 17, 2026, 12:21:14 PM
They don't have to close it forever because TACO.

Yep a few weeks ago people here were bitching that he gave up and what a waste it was. Then turns out he didn’t give up and they bitched about that. All the same people that believe Iranian propaganda anyways.
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« Reply #512 on: April 17, 2026, 12:23:47 PM »
Quote from: murphstahoe on April 17, 2026, 12:22:27 PM
Republicans on the test - Where does Milk come from? "Aldi's"

If we make a bunch of money now selling all of our oil, we can buy all the oil we want later, we can just call the oil fairy.

Modern Democrats 100% more likely to not know where their food comes from that Republicans
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« Reply #513 on: April 17, 2026, 12:24:47 PM »
Quote from: Custard on April 17, 2026, 12:18:27 PM
When I was in commodities brokerage a lot of times people would ask why the market did what it did any given day. If there wasn’t some glaring market mover we would just say “speculation” or “profit taking” or “something something South America.”  That’s exactly what these stories are doing. They don’t know. If they did they wouldn’t be writing stories for a living.

True this. Tesla is up like 15% this week. Their business hasn't become 15% more valuable this week, under any metric. In the end, stocks are like eggs. Supply, demand. Why is the Stock Market at an all time high? Inflation. Printing dollars doesn't just run up the price of housing.
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« Reply #514 on: April 17, 2026, 12:31:59 PM »
Quote from: murphstahoe on April 17, 2026, 12:24:47 PM
True this. Tesla is up like 15% this week. Their business hasn't become 15% more valuable this week, under any metric. In the end, stocks are like eggs. Supply, demand. Why is the Stock Market at an all time high? Inflation. Printing dollars doesn't just run up the price of housing.

It’s not that it went up that much in a week, it is because it was never truly devalued as much as it was during the skirmish. Thus the buying opportunity I was talking about weeks ago. This rally came a little sooner than I expected, I almost said let’s see where we are at by April 15 but ended up posting May 1. Guess we’ll see what happens between now and then.

It ain’t inflation, its the resilience of the market and strong fundamentals despite what’s happening overseas
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« Reply #515 on: April 17, 2026, 12:34:43 PM »
Quote from: Custard on April 17, 2026, 12:20:17 PM
Which fossil fuel are we burning to power the EVs? We don’t really need to worry about overseas oil the way things are, and we aren’t running out of oil anytime soon. Iran has a vested interest in selling their oil, they won’t leave the Strait closed forever.

We have solar panels and a backup battery, our monthly PG&E bill is zero. Even in winter there's enough sun to keep the car and battery charged. And while it's good to be on the grid "just in case" - we've never noticed a power outage.

It's not EV's, it's solar panels and wind. How you use the energy created becomes a thing, and a huge piece of our energy usage is transportation, so coupling the panels/wind with EVs is the big winner.

Land use is also important. If I had an hour commute every day, I'd be draining the battery nightly to recharge the car, to net zero we'd need bigger batteries and more panels. But since we mostly walk to places, work was close/remote, we never exceeded our production. But for lower paid workers around here, housing is prohibitive and they end up commuting.
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« Reply #516 on: April 17, 2026, 12:37:15 PM »
Quote from: Custard on April 17, 2026, 12:23:47 PM
Modern Democrats 100% more likely to not know where their food comes from that Republicans

Modern Republicans are 100% more likely to hear a metaphor and try to rebut the metaphor instead of the point the metaphor was illustrating.
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« Reply #517 on: April 17, 2026, 12:38:41 PM »
Quote from: Custard on April 17, 2026, 12:31:59 PM
It’s not that it went up that much in a week, it is because it was never truly devalued as much as it was during the skirmish. Thus the buying opportunity I was talking about weeks ago. This rally came a little sooner than I expected, I almost said let’s see where we are at by April 15 but ended up posting May 1. Guess we’ll see what happens between now and then.

It ain’t inflation, its the resilience of the market and strong fundamentals despite what’s happening overseas

You consider this a buying opportunity for Tesla stock? Bold call. Especially for someone who hates electric vehicles.
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Re: Da Economy
« Reply #518 on: April 17, 2026, 05:53:13 PM »
Quote from: murphstahoe on April 17, 2026, 12:38:41 PM
You consider this a buying opportunity for Tesla stock? Bold call. Especially for someone who hates electric vehicles.

The down market in the first weeks of the war were the buying opportunity. I called it out at the time. The next trick is to find the high. Try and keep up! Pedal faster!
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Re: Da Economy
« Reply #519 on: April 17, 2026, 07:17:42 PM »
Quote from: murphstahoe on April 17, 2026, 12:37:15 PM
Modern Republicans are 100% more likely to hear a metaphor and try to rebut the metaphor instead of the point the metaphor was illustrating.

Kind of like how Mn always nitpicks where a post originated from, rather than debate it’s content
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« Reply #520 on: April 17, 2026, 07:30:03 PM »
Quote from: Reacher on April 17, 2026, 07:17:42 PM
Kind of like how Mn always nitpicks where a post originated from, rather than debate it’s content

He does plenty of debating the content
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« Reply #521 on: April 17, 2026, 08:15:40 PM »
Quote from: Custard on April 17, 2026, 07:30:03 PM
He does plenty of debating the content

Maybe with Ray.
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« Reply #522 on: April 17, 2026, 08:29:13 PM »
Quote from: Reacher on April 17, 2026, 08:15:40 PM
Maybe with Ray.

That's debatable. Not the complete content in context. Mostly nitpicking red herrings and gish gallops.
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« Reply #523 on: April 17, 2026, 08:31:40 PM »
Quote from: illiniray on April 17, 2026, 08:29:13 PM
He debates what he thinks I said..

Excellent point.
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« Reply #524 on: Today at 12:56:39 AM »
I’m very familiar with both sides of the debates on illegal immigration and origins of Covid. I think the reason I stick up for Mn sometimes is that you guys do the exact same thing to him that you accuse him of doing to you.

There is more than enough evidence that the virus came from a lab leak to at least have a rational discussion about it, and there is plenty of evidence to consider that the massive spike in illegals that coincides perfectly with Biden’s time in office was more than what Ray says it is.

Mn has provided data and charts on these things in spades, and while there may be nuances to both perspectives, the data and charts he brings aren’t cherry picked or out of context. If anything, people refuse to believe Mn’s sources or breakdowns just as often as you accuse him of dismissing others.

It’s just one of those situations where both sides are going to cling to their points and refuse to acknowledge the others.

Tempo accused me today of labeling anything I don’t agree with as “ragebait”

Similarly, from my perspective, I see Alum, Ray, Tempo, etc routinely discard anything they don’t agree with as “your sources suck”

Meanwhile Tempo is reposting Iranian AI propaganda with no qualms whatsofuckingever.

So stop with the name calling, you jagoffs!
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