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General Category => Halas Hall Football Forum => Topic started by: Reacher on December 21, 2022, 01:54:29 PM
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Like:
The way he’s dumped expensive veterans who won’t be here the next time they are good. Also think trading Roquan was the smart thing to do.
Draft:
I’d say mostly pretty good. IMO he’s gotten at least 3 starters in a draft where he had few valuable assets. Brisker could be All-Pro, Gordon I think will be a pretty good corner, and Braxton Jones I think is a starter (though maybe more at RT than Left). Hard to give a true grade on a draft 14 games in. Lake Zurich Roquan was a nice FA signing. Think he can be a player for a couple years while they upgrade more valuable positions.
Velus Jones was a terrible pick, and that should have been obvious from day 1. He just didn’t have the résumé of an NFL receiver. If you’ve had one good year in six years of college, you just aren’t good, period.
Overall draft grade (subject to review) B+. Another quality player in the 3rd (OL, DL or WR) would have made it an A or A+ IMO
Free agency:
D-
Pringle and Lucas Patrick are basically zeros. Can’t fault him entirely because he knew they had so much dead cap space. Gutting this was the plan all along.
Trades:
Roquan move was the right one IMO. Great player but didn’t create enough big plays to warrant what he was asking for. Roquan also basically signed his own transfer papers with his antics. Should have hired an agent.
Hated the Claypool trade the minute I heard it was for a 2nd. Now it looks like a really high 2nd. Hopefully it works out, and I can see why you make the trade but I am not optimistic it turns out to be a good one for the Bears.
Next year we need to see progress. 7-9 wins. I think it’s very doable with a decent draft and solid FAs. This division isn’t that good.
Year 3 they need to “take the North and never give it back.”
Overall grade: B
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Negative marks for the handling of the Tevin Jenkins drama at the beginning of the season (unless his practice habits or commitment level were heavily lacking). Rumored to be a cut/trade candidate then ends up being our best lineman after moving to RG.
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https://www.sportsmockery.com/chicago-bears/chicago-bears-2023-off-season-plans-just-got-way-harder/
GM Ryan Poles should be able to find some good players under those conditions. Unfortunately, other teams aren’t going to make it easy for him. That much was obvious on Friday when two top free agents going into next year were taken off the market.
Pro Bowl guard Elgton Jenkins reached an agreement with the Green Bay Packers on a four-year contract extension. He will remain with his original team. Many had hoped the Bears could steal him away since the Packers have cap issues. Then barely a couple of hours later, another tough blow landed when the Cleveland Browns extended right tackle, Jack Conklin. That means arguably the two best offensive linemen in the 2023 class are off the table. Not great for a team in serious need of blocking help.
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I’d like to see the Bears make a trade for a veteran like Mike Evans. Another reason they need to get as high a pick as possible and get more assets. There should be a few good players available from teams looking to shed salary.
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Trenton Gill was also a nice draft pick IMO. Easy to forget about him.
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Yeah, he is Mitch Allen when he has thrown for 4K yards in 3 of his 5 season...
Wrong thread....
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Lol
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Might get the 1st pick!
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Might get the 1st pick!
That would be incredible.
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Yeah, he is Mitch Allen when he has thrown for 4K yards in 3 of his 5 season...
Wrong thread....
2nd year quarterback 1st year in new system playing with primarily practice squad players isn’t allowed growing pains, but Josh Allen is allowed to puke all over the field while he (to quote PAMan) “makes too many really bad decisions and is reckless with the ball” because he’s “had multiple 4,000 yard passing seasons” (and doesn’t play with practice squad guys). Only in PAMan’s weird mind is this logical.
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2nd year quarterback 1st year in new system playing with primarily practice squad players isn’t allowed growing pains, but Josh Allen is allowed to puke all over the field while he (to quote PAMan) “makes too many really bad decisions and is reckless with the ball” because he’s “had multiple 4,000 yard passing seasons” (and doesn’t play with practice squad guys). Only in PAMan’s weird mind is this logical.
Again, your scrambled eggs of a brain, I'm blaming the dope, can't understand the facts establishing why he is not "Mitch Allen". Let me know when Mitch Trubisky or Mitch Fields throw for 4k yards in 3 of 5 seasons. Hell, let me know when Mitch Fields throws for 200 yards in a game. I know, he doesn't call the plays. See signature
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Again, your scrambled eggs of a brain, I'm blaming the dope, can't understand the facts establishing why he is not "Mitch Allen". Let me know when Mitch Trubisky or Mitch Fields throw for 4k yards in 3 of 5 seasons. Hell, let me know when Mitch Fields throws for 200 yards in a game. I know, he doesn't call the plays. See signature
It’s Christmas Eve evening. Go hug your family. Maybe tonight you will get a visit from the ghosts of Justin Fields’ Past, Justin Fields’ Present, and Justin Fields’ Future and be a changed man tomorrow.
Merry Christmas!🎄
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Congratulations to Velus Jones Jr, who earned an invitation back to training camp next year.
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GM of the Year…
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Ryan TemPoles.
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Poles has to re-sign all these one year contract guys. They played their asses off. This isn’t funny.
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Here’s a decent article talking about/grading all the one year deals. Could cause a head to explode.
https://beargoggleson.com/2023/01/14/ryan-poles-free-agent-chicago-bears/amp/10/
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Was willing to give Poles the benefit of the doubt in not going hog wild in FA, but his FA class had a pretty rough game 1. Need to see quite a bit more, and sooner rather than later. I get that this is their first game together, but it can't look like that. A long ways from declaring his stewardship a failure, but for the first time IMO his arrow is pointing downward a bit.
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Trash. Sucks, but it’s true.
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Like:
The way he’s dumped expensive veterans who won’t be here the next time they are good. Also think trading Roquan was the smart thing to do.
Draft:
I’d say mostly pretty good. IMO he’s gotten at least 3 starters in a draft where he had few valuable assets. Brisker could be All-Pro, Gordon I think will be a pretty good corner, and Braxton Jones I think is a starter (though maybe more at RT than Left). Hard to give a true grade on a draft 14 games in. Lake Zurich Roquan was a nice FA signing. Think he can be a player for a couple years while they upgrade more valuable positions.
Velus Jones was a terrible pick, and that should have been obvious from day 1. He just didn’t have the résumé of an NFL receiver. If you’ve had one good year in six years of college, you just aren’t good, period.
Overall draft grade (subject to review) B+. Another quality player in the 3rd (OL, DL or WR) would have made it an A or A+ IMO
Free agency:
D-
Pringle and Lucas Patrick are basically zeros. Can’t fault him entirely because he knew they had so much dead cap space. Gutting this was the plan all along.
Trades:
Roquan move was the right one IMO. Great player but didn’t create enough big plays to warrant what he was asking for. Roquan also basically signed his own transfer papers with his antics. Should have hired an agent.
Hated the Claypool trade the minute I heard it was for a 2nd. Now it looks like a really high 2nd. Hopefully it works out, and I can see why you make the trade but I am not optimistic it turns out to be a good one for the Bears.
Next year we need to see progress. 7-9 wins. I think it’s very doable with a decent draft and solid FAs. This division isn’t that good.
Year 3 they need to “take the North and never give it back.”
Overall grade: B
By and large pretty well AOTC. The Roquan trade is arguable, but they still got Dexter and two other starters for the price of Roquan. YTBD.
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I wanted to start a new thread on Poles’ mistakes, but I know how sensitive everyone is to new threads so, here goes…
1) Hiring Luke Getsy: this guy is absolutely in over his head. It’s clear that Aaron Rodgers got he and Hackett over-promoted. You never know they identity of the offense from week to week. He doesn’t show any intuition as a play-caller at all. Offense lacks detail as it’s clowned almost on a weekly basis by experts. Actual experts. Not Skip Bayless. This guy has stunted Fields and the Bears.
2) Hiring Flus. I liked him last year, but I have seen very little of what I thought he was bringing last year. Discipline, effort, steadiness. I have not seen much accountability nor have I heard “practices are hard” even one time this year. Probably a good DC, not good HC material. Injuries haven’t helped, but the Bears have not looked prepared nearly enough this season. It’s certainly plausible Flus was one of 3 coaches forced upon Poles by…”The McCaskeys…”
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Here’s a take on the Twitter…
https://x.com/brightsidebears/status/1715598766873489489?s=46&t=nLWTarDKWNHMqYhTVD-LQQ
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Oops, posted too soon.
3) Not drafting Jalen Carter. True, I was not in on Carter top 5; but at 9 that’s a different ballgame. Overall Wright is looking like a nice pick, but Carter could be All-Pro as a rookie. I’d bet the Bears have at least one more win if they draft Carter. He’s the centerpiece that defense is missing.
4) Chase Claypool. Hated the trade the minute I heard about it. No need to rehash. Total flop.
5) Not addressing the Center position year 2. Ok, you whiffed on Lucas Patrick. It happens. Probably came here to be Luke Getsy’s little brother, possibly roommate. But not bringing in a FA, trading for one, or drafting a guy like the Schmitz kid was a big error. Huge error. Whitehair has been a disaster at Center and apparently his flaws (at Center) have been known for a long time, yet they went with him anyway.
Those are easily the top 5 mistakes IMO. I’m still onboard, but the mistakes are piling up. Poles needs a rebound sooner rather than later. I don’t think he’s fired this year, but if the Bears stink next year he’s probably gone.
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Here’s a take on the Twitter…
https://x.com/brightsidebears/status/1715598766873489489?s=46&t=nLWTarDKWNHMqYhTVD-LQQ
Some reasonable points in there, also some fluffing going on. Congratulating him for getting a 3rd day pick for Jalen Carter? Nah. Congratulating him for moving on quickly from Chase Claypool? Nah. Don’t trade for a guy who is KNOWN to be a knucklehead. If Tomlin didn’t want him that should be a huge red flag. Let me look at the list and refresh my memory.
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Giving him big credit for drafting Pickens, Roschon, and Hicks is fluff. They’ve done nothing yet to prove they are valuable pieces of a SB contender.
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“Signed a solid RG” is a stretch. Sure, Davis’ problems are no one’s fault, but right now he’s not been a good addition. Still time for that to correct itself.
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Referring to Billings as “a stud,” is probably an overstatement. But he’s been solid.
Much of the rest of his list is good. By no means do I think Poles has been a (total) disaster. Just that some big mistakes are piling up. He’s done a lot of good things as well. Need to start seeing some results soon, though. Poles gets next year to correct his errors IMO.
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Poles has to re-sign all these one year contract guys. They played their asses off. This isn’t funny.
BTC? Or AOTC? Could go either way.
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Was willing to give Poles the benefit of the doubt in not going hog wild in FA, but his FA class had a pretty rough game 1. Need to see quite a bit more, and sooner rather than later. I get that this is their first game together, but it can't look like that. A long ways from declaring his stewardship a failure, but for the first time IMO his arrow is pointing downward a bit.
Quality post.
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Should the Bears have be active at the deadline? Ordinarily, I’d say “sell,” but at some point you have to reward the good players on your team. There’s been a lot of carnage on the roster (Mack, Quinn, Roquan).
I’d probably extend Jaylon. Id maybe keep EJ (for this year at least) just to save face from trading another veteran captain. Not sure he gets you much in a trade anyway. Would definitely trade Whitehair if he gets you a 5th. Probably wouldn’t though.
https://www.windycitygridiron.com/2023/10/21/23923348/chicago-bears-nfl-trade-deadline-ryan-poles-darnell-mooney-jaylon-johnson-justin-fields-sell-buy
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Let’s be honest if the Bears had drafted Carter he’d have been arrested at least twice by now (once for driving without a license) and triple teamed each game and throughly demoralized. He’d have a giant entourage and an even bigger drug issue and would get suspended for 8 games for flashing a piece on his Instagram. His career would be in a tailspin before it even started and he’d end up in the “Where are they now?” file with Simone Biles within 3-5 years.
Ok maybe that’s the Dallas version of Jalen Carter, but still it’s silly to think this franchise/coaching staff would be getting the same out of him that Philly is.
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Who knows? It’s also possible that the guy some people said was the best player in the draft and the next Warren Sapp is just really good at football.
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Absolute zero reason Poles should get another offseason.
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Absolute zero reason Poles should get another offseason.
LMFAO
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LMFAO
He's worse than Fields.
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Tempo thinks the clown that drafted Velus Jones needs to get 3-5 more drafts. Can't make this shit up.
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Tempo thinks the clown that drafted Velus Jones needs to get 3-5 more drafts. Can't make this shit up.
You just wait. It may be the 2025 season, assuming the right coaches and qb are brought in, before the team sniffs .500
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“Why is the team that had major talent deficiencies and was in salary cap hell good yet?! It’s been one year!” - ThePAMan
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Tempo thinks the clown that drafted Velus Jones needs to get 3-5 more drafts. Can't make this shit up.
You’re apparently the moron who thinks GMs are required to hit on everyone. Look at the misses the 49ers have had. Every GM has misses. Likely bad ones. You can’t give a serious grade on a GM who burned everything to the ground (and correctly so) after 8 games. No doubt there have been mistakes. But every GM makes mistakes. Every single one of them.
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You just wait. It may be the 2025 season, assuming the right coaches and qb are brought in, before the team sniffs .500
If the team isn’t trending upwards this time next year, it’ll be fair to start warming Poles’ seat. Warming it…
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“Why is the team that had major talent deficiencies and was in salary cap hell good yet?! It’s been one year!” - ThePAMan
The question is why are the players brought in as bad as the ones they had when they were allegedly tanking?
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You’re apparently the moron who thinks GMs are required to hit on everyone. Look at the misses the 49ers have had. Every GM has misses. Likely bad ones. You can’t give a serious grade on a GM who burned everything to the ground (and correctly so) after 8 games. No doubt there have been mistakes. But every GM makes mistakes. Every single one of them.
He sucks. He hired the buffoon Eberlose. Also, let me know when he gets around, in the next 3 to 5 drafts and free agent signing periods, to fixing the lines, since you know, football is a game won in the trenches.
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If the team isn’t trending upwards this time next year, it’ll be fair to start warming Poles’ seat. Warming it…
LOL. You will just have more excuses for him and your guy Fields.
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You just wait. It may be the 2025 season, assuming the right coaches and qb are brought in, before the team sniffs .500
2025? Tempo claims Fields needs another 30 starts to be able to judge what they have.
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The question is why are the players brought in as bad as the ones they had when they were allegedly tanking?
I know you’re not one for excuses but I guess you haven’t noticed that the Bears have had lots of injuries. And 60% of their players are new. That’s not to say that mistakes haven’t been made. Mistakes have been made aplenty. But judging a rebuild 8 games into it is elite Meatballism.
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The question is why are the players brought in as bad as the ones they had when they were allegedly tanking?
Some players have been disappointing, no small share have been hurt. I think we still had 3 starters players from the secondary missing last night. Still missing our LT and RG and QB. Had to jettison our alleged WR2. We are literally 8 games into the rebuild. You are the embodiment of the “give it to me right now! meatball”
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The question is why are the players brought in as bad as the ones they had when they were allegedly tanking?
And a lot of 1st and 2nd year players are getting signicant playing time. It takes time.
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I know you’re not one for excuses but I guess you haven’t noticed that the Bears have had lots of injuries. And 60% of their players are new. That’s not to say that mistakes haven’t been made. Mistakes have been made aplenty. But judging a rebuild 8 games into it is elite Meatballism.
The O and D lines are generally accepted as being vital for winning football. The odds are trading for WRs, like Claypool and Moore, instead of fixing one line, or the other, will not produce winning football.
This is why the Bear are where they are with Poles at the helm.
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He sucks. He hired the buffoon Eberlose. Also, let me know when he gets around, in the next 3 to 5 drafts and free agent signing periods, to fixing the lines, since you know, football is a game won in the trenches.
Eberflus was probably a mistake. But was he forced onto Poles? Only the Bears higher ups know for sure. It’s not out of the question.
Brian Daboll was the boy wonder last year, right? How is that going today?
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Some players have been disappointing, no small share have been hurt. I think we still had 3 starters players from the secondary missing last night. Still missing our LT and RG and QB. Had to jettison our alleged WR2. We are literally 8 games into the rebuild. You are the embodiment of the “give it to me right now! meatball”
Not "missing" Davis or Fields. One, great signing!, never plays and the other sucks.
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LOL. You will just have more excuses for him and your guy Fields.
Oker…..
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Eberflus was probably a mistake. But was he forced onto Poles? Only the Bears higher ups know for sure. It’s not out of the question.
Brian Daboll was the boy wonder last year, right? How is that going today?
"probably"?????? "forced"???? C'mon, Tempo....
For some, he was a boy wonder, sure.
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Oker…..
And you have proved my point....
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Judging Flus over last year is idiocy. Yet you’ll still do it for sure. Flus was given a bottom 2 roster to coach. He was a rookie HC and his assistants were all newly elevated. It went about as one could have reasonably expected. I’ve literally never seen a football team trade their 3 best players in one calendar year. Maybe the Dolphins did it when they were “tanking for Tua?”
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And you have proved my point....
Other than being a loudmouth, you don’t have a point.
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Other than being a loudmouth, you don’t have a point.
That you would have excuses for "Belichick told Flus he admired his culture"? (It was ridiculous when you typed that initially.) Yes, that is the point and you are making them now as we can all see. Excuses, excuses, excuses.
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It’s obvious that Belichick was complimentary of Flus after the game. Belichick doesn’t make a habit of pulling coaches aside after a game, especially after being humiliated.
I’ve admitted that I was more optimistic on Flus than perhaps I should have been; but as I’ve pointed out, I don’t see the same things I saw last year. Last year we had better effort (despite the roster being gutted, maybe guys were playing for their spots), we were more disciplined , and gone are the reports of “hard practices” and there isn’t the “accountability” we were preached to about. Otherwise Velus Jones would be cut or on the practice squad.
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So, Jaylon Johnson has asked for a trade. Wtf. If you're not gonna pay a young, very effective CB approaching his prime, who the fuck are you going to pay?
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Could be a negotiation tactic. Pretty sure he’s said he wants to be here; as recently as a day or two ago.
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https://x.com/jfowlerespn/status/1719209634576081192?s=46&t=05HrG8dHonbWgeb4jtVing
Sounds to me like they’re done negotiating.
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I'm old enough to remember "I’ve literally never seen a football team trade their 3 best players in one calendar year."
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I'm old enough to remember "I’ve literally never seen a football team trade their 3 best players in one calendar year."
You’re older than that.
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So, Jaylon Johnson has asked for a trade. Wtf. If you're not gonna pay a young, very effective CB approaching his prime, who the fuck are you going to pay?
Saving the money for the Fields extension.
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Sweat for a second.
Tempo, you on Team Dump Poles yet? People claiming this is a desperate move of a GM who is going to get fired.
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Montez Sweat to the Bears for a 2024 2nd rounder.
I'd say the defensive line should be significantly improved now.
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Montez Sweat to the Bears for a 2024 2nd rounder.
I'd say the defensive line should be significantly improved now.
Unfortunately that isn't saying much when it comes to the Bear D line. Isn't the Commander d line supposed to be thought of as being decent? Sweat has never had double digit sacks.
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Unfortunately that isn't saying much when it comes to the Bear D line. Isn't the Commander d line supposed to be thought of as being decent? Sweat has never had double digit sacks.
"Should" being the key word here. Eberflus coaching will probably hold him back.
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Sweat for a second.
Tempo, you on Team Dump Poles yet? People claiming this is a desperate move of a GM who is going to get fired.
Who is “people?”
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I think there is very little chance Poles is fired. Eberflus? He gone.
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So, Jaylon Johnson has asked for a trade. Wtf. If you're not gonna pay a young, very effective CB approaching his prime, who the fuck are you going to pay?
This. Unless he’s asking for a max contract, I see no reason not to pay the guy. I’m just not breaking the bank for him.
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This. Unless he’s asking for a max contract, I see no reason not to pay the guy. I’m just not breaking the bank for him.
They have a shit ton of cap space. He has proven to be an excellent corner. What the fuck else are they spending it on?
Pay him.
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I think there is very little chance Poles is fired. Eberflus? He gone.
That's unfortunate. So, I guess we'll get to see Velus Jones drop passes and trip over nothing on the field for the immediate future.
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That's unfortunate. So, I guess we'll get to see Velus Jones drop passes and trip over nothing on the field for the immediate future.
He would have caught it if Fields had thrown it to him. The problem with that is thinking Fields would have thrown the ball instead of running around and getting sacked.
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Who is “people?”
Bears fans on MySpace and Gab.
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Niners get Chase Young for a 3rd. Interesting…
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Niners get Chase Young for a 3rd. Interesting…
Poles fleeced again
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Poles fleeced again
That's ok. We got Montez Sweat. For a fucking 2nd. Niners got Young for a 3rd.
Yeah, fuck Ryan Poles.
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That's ok. We got Montez Sweat. For a fucking 2nd. Niners got Young for a 3rd.
Yeah, fuck Ryan Poles.
Tempo needs to see Poles trade 3 to 5 more 2d round picks before determining whether Poles is clueless or not.
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Johnson staying put
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Johnson staying put
That's good. Maybe they can actually sign him.
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They have a shit ton of cap space. He has proven to be an excellent corner. What the fuck else are they spending it on?
Pay him.
That's the point. Could have hung on to the 2nd round pick and picked up Sweat in FA. This is just marginally better than trading for Claypool last year.
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Young had serious medical concerns is what was being said behind the scene. Some medical doctors said his knee would hold up, and others said it wouldn’t. Some weren’t allowed to medically check before making an offer.
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Some weren’t allowed to medically check before making an offer.
I'm not buying that
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I'm not buying that
🤷🏻♂️
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That's ok. We got Montez Sweat. For a fucking 2nd. Niners got Young for a 3rd.
Yeah, fuck Ryan Poles.
Apparently Sweat more likely to re-sign, and some have said the medicals/injury history scared people off of Chase.
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Apparently Sweat more likely to re-sign, and some have said the medicals/injury history scared people off of Chase.
Uh, for a second, don't you think he better sign him? Shouldn't he already have a deal in place? Sweat would seemingly have leverage (especially if he does not mind the tag).
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My guess is that the Bears are confident they will re-sign him.
Brian Mitchell (former kick returning great), now a Washington radio guy seemed to say Sweat is a little more grounded than Chase (who already views himself as a superstar), and that he’s a more reliable player. Also; more likely to sign an extension than Young.
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Honestly I think it’s a good move. I don’t understand the hate. Especially from ESPN who graded it an F for the Bears. He’s actually performed much better than Young, especially in the run game, and has never missed a game in his career. That’s huge. Young health-wise was a huge risk and why he went for less than Sweat.
And you don’t make this move unless he’s signing. And you’re not getting a DE of this caliber this year in the draft either, so I don’t see the downside.
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Honestly I think it’s a good move. I don’t understand the hate. Especially from ESPN who graded it an F for the Bears. He’s actually performed much better than Young, especially in the run game, and has never missed a game in his career. That’s huge. Young health-wise was a huge risk and why he went for less than Sweat.
And you don’t make this move unless he’s signing. And you’re not getting a DE of this caliber this year in the draft either, so I don’t see the downside.
If he does not sign, you have him for a year and 10 games. Meanwhile, you miss out on possibly getting a long term player at 2, maybe even a good OL
If you really wanted him, you could sign him as a FA and save the 2.
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If he does not sign, you have him for a year and 10 games. Meanwhile, you miss out on possibly getting a long term player at 2, maybe even a good OL
If you really wanted him, you could sign him as a FA and save the 2.
https://x.com/tomfornelli/status/1719480111685116322?s=46&t=nLWTarDKWNHMqYhTVD-LQQ
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Honestly I think it’s a good move. I don’t understand the hate. Especially from ESPN who graded it an F for the Bears. He’s actually performed much better than Young, especially in the run game, and has never missed a game in his career. That’s huge. Young health-wise was a huge risk and why he went for less than Sweat.
And you don’t make this move unless he’s signing. And you’re not getting a DE of this caliber this year in the draft either, so I don’t see the downside.
Hey hey now, they graded it a D-.
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https://x.com/tomfornelli/status/1719480111685116322?s=46&t=nLWTarDKWNHMqYhTVD-LQQ
Unsure how that is relevant to the argument that trading for him now is just wasting another 2d round pick.
He is going to be the best DL on the Bear. The issue is what is the point if can't sign him?
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Unsure how that is relevant to the argument that trading for him now is just wasting another 2d round pick.
He is going to be the best DL on the Bear. The issue is what is the point if can't sign him?
I accidentally quoted you. I was gonna post that and then reply to this with something else. My bad.
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A reasonable take, and kind of where I am on the trade (let’s wait and see).
(https://i.postimg.cc/QCBWwrY9/IMG-5401.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/Pvjxv0jT)
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If he does not sign, you have him for a year and 10 games. Meanwhile, you miss out on possibly getting a long term player at 2, maybe even a good OL
If you really wanted him, you could sign him as a FA and save the 2.
I don’t think he was gonna make it past the deadline. Somebody would’ve traded for him if it wasn’t the Bears in my opinion. Not many options this productive available now or in the draft, or off-season this year for DE. I’m sure he will be signed.
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Ironically, Montez Sweat is one of the guys I made the case several years back that the Bears should have/could have drafted (with one of those 1sts) instead of trading for Mack.
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A reasonable take, and kind of where I am on the trade (let’s wait and see).
(https://i.postimg.cc/QCBWwrY9/IMG-5401.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/Pvjxv0jT)
If I said that, would you have considered it "reasonable"? LOL
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I don’t think he was gonna make it past the deadline. Somebody would’ve traded for him if it wasn’t the Bears in my opinion. Not many options this productive available now or in the draft, or off-season this year for DE. I’m sure he will be signed.
Always possible, but was there any talk he may go somewhere else (or was Poles bidding against himself like Pace did for Mitch)?
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Always possible, but was there any talk he may go somewhere else (or was Poles bidding against himself like Pace did for Mitch)?
I think you trade for Sweat and don’t take the chance and lock him up here. Chase Young is a rental in San Fran and will hit FA market. 49ers don’t have the cap space to sign him. We could walk away with both next year and this in my opinion was the right move and player to trade for.
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Always possible, but was there any talk he may go somewhere else (or was Poles bidding against himself like Pace did for Mitch)?
We’ll never know and you’re just speculating…
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We’ll never know and you’re just speculating…
As are you! Isn't there usually reports out there on who has interest in a player?
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As are you! Isn't there usually reports out there on who has interest in a player?
I agree I am. We do know for sure that we got him though. As to who else was interested and/or who we were bidding against, we’ll never know. I do think we could have both though next year, as Young will be a FA.
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If I said that, would you have considered it "reasonable"? LOL
Yes
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Take it for what it’s worth…
https://x.com/pete_martuneac/status/1719489482808783215?s=46&t=nLWTarDKWNHMqYhTVD-LQQ
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https://youtu.be/00bNYUTA7OY?si=ogor13IajUsneAsI
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Take it for what it’s worth…
https://x.com/pete_martuneac/status/1719489482808783215?s=46&t=nLWTarDKWNHMqYhTVD-LQQ
Seems to fall into line with what Brian Mitchell said. Good post.
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https://youtu.be/00bNYUTA7OY?si=ogor13IajUsneAsI
Good video and analysis. Exactly how I feel and what I think.
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Another Bears coach fired Human Resources involved…smh
https://www.syracuse.com/orangefootball/2023/11/former-syracuse-running-back-assistant-coach-fired-by-bears-report.html
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Damn. Sounds like Halas Hall might be a toxic workplace.
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Former Bears scout Greg Gabriel says his sources (which he trusts) say Jaylon Johnson’s asking price is “way out of line.”
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Former Bears scout Greg Gabriel says his sources (which he trusts) say Jaylon Johnson’s asking price is “way out of line.”
I have no doubt.
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I mean, are people just pulling their dicks out and waving them around at that place, or what? Jesus Christ
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I mean, are people just pulling their dicks out and waving them around at that place, or what? Jesus Christ
They should hire Fitzgerald.
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Damn. Sounds like Halas Hall might be a toxic workplace.
But Belichick did, allegedly, compliment Eberlose on the culture he was building at Halas Hall....culture of HR firings, losses, and, according to some, back-stabbing crappy QB1.
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I'd say you can't make this crap up, but then again, Tempo literally made up the substance of the conversation between Belichick and Eberlose...
https://chicago.suntimes.com/bears/2023/11/1/23941970/chicago-bears-matt-eberflus-justin-fields-injury-new-orleans-saints-montez-sweat
"The main points he tried to convey were that the team is 2-2 in its last four games, as though that’s indicative of excellence, and that the organization showed the strength of its “awesome” culture in firing running backs coach David Walker and moving forward toward a game Sunday at the Saints."
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"Not only have the Bears been a wreck on the field at 2-6, and 5-20 over Eberflus’ tenure, but they’ve had repeated off-field issues. Defensive coordinator Alan Williams resigned over misconduct, wide receiver Chase Claypool was exiled from the team over his attitude and eventually traded and quarterback Justin Fields raised issues in Week 3 over how he was being coached.
"Throughout all of that, Eberflus has struggled to show competence and clarity in handling the issues publicly."
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I mean, are people just pulling their dicks out and waving them around at that place, or what? Jesus Christ
Is that frowned upon?
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They should hire Fitzgerald.
Hahahahahaha
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I'd say you can't make this crap up, but then again, Tempo literally made up the substance of the conversation between Belichick and Eberlose...
https://chicago.suntimes.com/bears/2023/11/1/23941970/chicago-bears-matt-eberflus-justin-fields-injury-new-orleans-saints-montez-sweat
"The main points he tried to convey were that the team is 2-2 in its last four games, as though that’s indicative of excellence, and that the organization showed the strength of its “awesome” culture in firing running backs coach David Walker and moving forward toward a game Sunday at the Saints."
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"Not only have the Bears been a wreck on the field at 2-6, and 5-20 over Eberflus’ tenure, but they’ve had repeated off-field issues. Defensive coordinator Alan Williams resigned over misconduct, wide receiver Chase Claypool was exiled from the team over his attitude and eventually traded and quarterback Justin Fields raised issues in Week 3 over how he was being coached.
"Throughout all of that, Eberflus has struggled to show competence and clarity in handling the issues publicly."
What do you think that talked about? Their Halloween costumes?
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Is that frowned upon?
If you're making content for an onlyfans or something, I guess not.
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But Belichick did, allegedly, compliment Eberlose on the culture he was building at Halas Hall....culture of HR firings, losses, and, according to some, back-stabbing crappy QB1.
Well, Belichick and Robert Kraft have had their issues with women, so that might explain some things.
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Leila Rahimi just gave Ryan Poles a pretty effective line by line pummeling. But she’s just a woman, so I can’t really put any stock into what she says.
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Leila Rahimi just gave Ryan Poles a pretty effective line by line pummeling. But she’s just a woman, so I can’t really put any stock into what she says.
Considering your constant excuse making for him, I'm surprised you think anyone "effectively pummeled" him.
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What do you think that talked about? Their Halloween costumes?
"Your game plan, which was entirely different from what was on film, fooled us. Congrats. But then again, I suck without Brady, so odds are you will not win another game for about 10 months."
Equally plausible and 100% true.
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Considering your constant excuse making for him, I'm surprised you think anyone "effectively pummeled" him.
I’ve said for a while the mistakes are starting to pile up. Having said that, I never realistically expected the rebuild to go perfectly. As of right now, it doesn’t even seem to be going reasonably well. It doesn’t mean that years 3 and 4 are doomed to failure.
What’s going on with the coaching staff is alarming.
Of course, I could have gone the meatball route and started slamming him/them for losing with a gutted roster last year, but that’s the lowest of low-hanging fruit.
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"Your game plan, which was entirely different from what was on film, fooled us. Congrats. But then again, I suck without Brady, so odds are you will not win another game for about 10 months."
Equally plausible and 100% true.
I’m sure that was it.
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I would like to see Poles address some of the line by line failures she listed.
He’s supposed to talk today, but I’m guessing the scope of discussion will be fairly limited.
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I’ve said for a while the mistakes are starting to pile up. Having said that, I never realistically expected the rebuild to go perfectly. As of right now, it doesn’t even seem to be going reasonably well. It doesn’t mean that years 3 and 4 are doomed to failure.
What’s going on with the coaching staff is alarming.
Of course, I could have gone the meatball route and started slamming him/them for losing with a gutted roster last year, but that’s the lowest of low-hanging fruit.
Yet, you have said you are giving him until next November 1 before you make a decision on his performance.
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I’m sure that was it.
Less ridiculous than your culture crap. Well, at least the first part about the game plan differing from the film. He's not going to admit he sucks without Brady.
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You also could have slammed them for being crappy talent evaluators, Velus Jones, everyone!, and game planning....but you were too star struck by QB1 to notice.
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Yet, you have said you are giving him until next November 1 before you make a decision on his performance.
Yes, because it’s unrealistic to expect everything to go swimmingly. It just doesn’t happen. Look at John Lynch. He’s made mistakes and they are a Super Bowl favorite.
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You also could have slammed them for being crappy talent evaluators, Velus Jones, everyone!, and game planning....but you were too star struck by QB1 to notice.
We’d have more productive discussion if you could avoid the strawmen.
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Less ridiculous than your culture crap. Well, at least the first part about the game plan differing from the film. He's not going to admit he sucks without Brady.
Again, slamming Poles and Eberflus for losing with a bottom 3 roster was the lowest of low-hanging fruit. Congrats on picking it.
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Poles is supposed to speak today. He could stem the bleeding on another rough week with an announcement that a deal with Sweat has been reached.
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Poles is supposed to speak today. He could stem the bleeding on another rough week with an announcement that a deal with Sweat has been reached.
Not likely.
https://x.com/markgrotesports/status/1719784985207443475?s=46&t=05HrG8dHonbWgeb4jtVing
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Poles is supposed to speak today. He could stem the bleeding on another rough week with an announcement that a deal with Sweat has been reached.
LOL.
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Not likely.
https://x.com/markgrotesports/status/1719784985207443475?s=46&t=05HrG8dHonbWgeb4jtVing
I actually just heard that clip two minutes ago. Sounds like a good dude, and a hardworking guy. He mentioned his agent was probably having talks but that that wasn’t at the top of his priority list just yet.
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You should consider a name change to LowHangingFruitMan.
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You should consider a name change to LowHangingFruitMan.
AOTCMan.
You are FenceRider34!
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HotTakeMan has spoken. What does LowHangingFruitMan have to say?
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I actually just heard that clip two minutes ago. Sounds like a good dude, and a hardworking guy. He mentioned his agent was probably having talks but that that wasn’t at the top of his priority list just yet.
Ok. Well, I was just saying that it was not likely that Poles was gonna stand up there today and tell us all that our guy Montez signed. That's all.
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Ok. Well, I was just saying that it was not likely that Poles was gonna stand up there today and tell us all that our guy Montez signed. That's all.
Ok
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I think they'll get him signed, fwiw.
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Heard a lot of the Poles presser. Thought he was pretty transparent and didn’t sound like a bumbling idiot, so that’s good.
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I think they'll get him signed, fwiw.
I think they’ll get them both signed, but it’s gonna feel icky getting to that point.
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Poles basically said that he didn’t think Montez was available, then he was, and that he was definitely going to be traded yesterday thus the high 2nd pick. They really wanted him in the building. Obviously, whoever traded for him was going to have the best crack at keeping him.
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If Poles is incompetent enough to throw away another high 2nd rounder I’ll be on board with firing him. I don’t think he’ll let Sweat get away.
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Mistakes are piling up, yes. Can they be fixed? Yes. Is Poles the man to fix it? I’m probably a little less sure every day, but I am not jumping ship yet.
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Mistakes are piling up, yes. Can they be fixed? Yes. Is Poles the man to fix it? I’m probably a little less sure every day, but I am not jumping ship yet.
Poles is your Underachiever.
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Eh, it’s a bit early to say that. He’s literally 8 games into a rebuild. It takes a few years usually. Jacksonville had back to back #1 picks and now they are a solid playoff team if not a Super Bowl contender.
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Eh, it’s a bit early to say that. He’s literally 8 games into a rebuild. It takes a few years usually. Jacksonville had back to back #1 picks and now they are a solid playoff team if not a Super Bowl contender.
Who dumped their shitty coach and hired a Super Bowl winner....
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Probably not as an effective takedown as Leila Rehimi can dish out, but Rick Morrissey is only a newspaper guy and not some lady....
https://chicago.suntimes.com/bears/2023/11/1/23942399/bears-have-parted-ways-with-two-coaches-six-weeks-wheres-great-team-culture-in-that-david-walker
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You’re probably the only one here with a Sun-Times subscription
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You’re probably the only one here with a Sun-Times subscription
All you have to do is enter your email and pick a password. It is free at this point, though they ask for donations.
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Another way to look at it would be that the coaching profession isn’t exactly known for producing the most moral people. A shocking amount of coaches are reprehensible people, and maybe the Bears are holding people accountable. Heard someone today (Baldinger maybe?) say that a lot of organizations will look the other way when it comes to bad behavior.
Who remembers the guy doing cocaine while FaceTiming the stripper he considered his girlfriend? Lol that was a classic. Dolphins Oline coach?
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But yeah, no more HR firings for a while would be nice.
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But yeah, no more HR firings for a while would be nice.
Not even Getsy?
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Not even Getsy?
Performance related, sure. But let’s try to avoid more HR firings.
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https://www.windycitygridiron.com/platform/amp/2023/11/1/23942780/chicago-bears-nfl-trade-deadline-move-jaylon-johnson-montez-sweat-chase-young-ryan-poles-eberflus
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https://www.windycitygridiron.com/platform/amp/2023/11/1/23942780/chicago-bears-nfl-trade-deadline-move-jaylon-johnson-montez-sweat-chase-young-ryan-poles-eberflus
Here ya go Jobu. This answers your comment about not believing teams got all the medical information regarding Chase Young…
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Here ya go Jobu. This answers your comment about not believing teams got all the medical information regarding Chase Young…
I'm not clicking on it, I'll just take your word for it.
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Lol
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Lol
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Lol
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Hearty guffaw
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Chortle
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Cackle.
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Titter
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Pussy bitch
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Sweat gets his extension. 4 years, 98 mil. 72.9 mil guaranteed
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👏🏼 they secured a great all-around player. Massive get by the Bears. Complain all you want people, he wasn’t hitting free agency and the Bears went and got the player. You’d be complaining if he didn’t. It’s better to be proactive than reactive. And it’s not an overpay like many haters are saying. He’s a former first-round pick coming off his rookie contract who earned it. He brings WAY more to the table than sacks. One of the best DE in the league in the run game and very highly rated. A very good move by Poles.
https://x.com/rapsheet/status/1720849272806002917?s=46&t=nLWTarDKWNHMqYhTVD-LQQ
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And this guy makes great points in the post and comments…
https://x.com/fireeberflose/status/1720857881342271727?s=46&t=nLWTarDKWNHMqYhTVD-LQQ
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Let's hope he isn't Mack Part 2
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Let's hope he isn't Mack Part 2
https://x.com/billtzimmerman/status/1720856394033700998?s=46&t=nLWTarDKWNHMqYhTVD-LQQ
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Some other good perspectives…
https://x.com/jacobinfante24/status/1720867189748609526?s=46&t=nLWTarDKWNHMqYhTVD-LQQ
https://x.com/thatpodguyduke/status/1720859614785200533?s=46&t=nLWTarDKWNHMqYhTVD-LQQ
https://x.com/jacobinfante24/status/1720850078238138382?s=46&t=nLWTarDKWNHMqYhTVD-LQQ
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2d highest paid DL in the league. Hope he plays like it
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👏🏼 they secured a great all-around player. Massive get by the Bears. Complain all you want people, he wasn’t hitting free agency
This. Premium players are not hitting FA these days.
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This. Premium players are not hitting FA these days.
Looking forward to his double digit sacks!
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Looking forward to his double digit sacks!
He’s on pace for it and bring much more to the table as well.
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Perspective…
https://x.com/kct2020/status/1720860996464525502?s=46&t=nLWTarDKWNHMqYhTVD-LQQ
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Perspective…
https://x.com/kct2020/status/1720860996464525502?s=46&t=nLWTarDKWNHMqYhTVD-LQQ
Why would you post a football tweet from a woman? Custard and Jobu are disappointed in you. And they should be.
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Why would you post a football tweet from a woman? Custard and Jobu are disappointed in you. And they should be.
Maybe it was intentional, maybe not…
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I ain’t reading that tripe
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I ain’t reading that tripe
Nor should you!
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She can suck my dick while I watch football…
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Tempo, sounds like Mike Evans wasn’t being traded by the Bucs…
https://x.com/nfl_dovkleiman/status/1720920530763546930?s=46&t=nLWTarDKWNHMqYhTVD-LQQ
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Can’t believe how far this thread has slipped! PAMan may be happy to hear that I’ve finally put Ryan Poles on the clock! Playoffs with a team trending up next year of GTFO! You’ve got your coach, you’ve got your quarterback, and the roster is all in your image. It’s time to start seeing some results.
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Better late then never.
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15-37 record under his watch.
Yes we should talk more about Ryan Poles being ass at his job.
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15-37 record under his watch.
Yes we should talk more about Ryan Poles being ass at his job.
It’s bad, but I’m not sure expecting a complete rebuild to take off in year 2 or 3 is very realistic. But yeah, plenty of mistakes have been made. But all GMs make mistakes, it’s how good at fixing their mistakes that sets them apart.