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General Category => Halas Hall Football Forum => Topic started by: Reacher on November 08, 2023, 04:52:09 PM
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Tell me what you THINK will happen, not what you would do.
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This could go a number of ways. Could easily see any of these scenarios. It seems like Poles is still in on Flus. Someone has to go, though. I see Getsy as the most expendable. No one thinks he’s good. Maybe bring in the guy who’s coordinating in San Fran so they don’t have to significantly change the offense. If they keep Fields I think they bring in competition (either draft or veteran) unless he balls out the remainder of the season.
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If you can get a 1st or 2nd for Fields, I understand making that trade. I don’t think you dump him for a 3rd or lower. He’s still cheap and you might as well keep him around to see if it works out. I’d still gamble on the upside rather than take the 102nd pick in the draft which “might” net you a starter somewhere. But just as likely to get you the next Velus Jones.
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You need lineman. Your line is garbage on both sides of the ball. If im in that position my #2 pick would be.the best OL in the draft. My next pick at #3 would be the best DL in the draft.
You can draft all the skill players you want aint gonna mean shit if you cant get the ball to them. You have kmet. He have Moore. Fields will be fine. Dont lose those guys just add to them . Get a good line and those 3 alone are tough to contain.
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Whatever the wrong move is, the Bears will do it.
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You need lineman. Your line is garbage on both sides of the ball. If im in that position my #2 pick would be.the best OL in the draft. My next pick at #3 would be the best DL in the draft.
You can draft all the skill players you want aint gonna mean shit if you cant get the ball to them. You have kmet. He have Moore. Fields will be fine. Dont lose those guys just add to them . Get a good line and those 3 alone are tough to contain.
I get what you are saying, but a lot of people would argue Marvin Harrison Jr is more valuable than any lineman. With the possible exception of an edge or LT. Is there an edge rusher worthy of the top 5? The LT out of Penn State seems like a lock for the top 6. Unless people get quarterback happy.
Everyone said Cincinnati should draft a LT and they took Chase. It was the right move. And granted, he’s got Joe Burrow; but if you believe in keeping Fields I could see where you’d want MHJr. Almost have to have him really.
I actually think the Oline is getting better. What they really need is a Center and some depth. Braxton Jones isn’t elite, but you can probably make it work with him.
Me personally, it’s a gamble, but I’d probably take Harrison Jr and Bowers (I don’t think there’s a 3Tech worth drafting that high). Maybe there is an edge rusher, I’m not sure. I’m only familiar with the offensive prospects at this point because the top of the draft seems concentrated on quaterbacks and receivers.
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I’d love the LT out of PSU, but that might be a luxury pick IMO when you have so many other needs, particularly on the DL and receiver.
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I think one of these will happen, but it won't surprise me if none of them happen.
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I’d love the LT out of PSU, but that might be a luxury pick IMO when you have so many other needs, particularly on the DL and receiver.
Then trade down a bit and grab more picks. Drop down to 6th. Get your OL and pick up another 4th rounder in the trade. Marivn jr is gonna be good but hes a dime a dozen kinda player. All skill players are, with very few exceptions. Its a constant shuffel every year on whose top 20 in each position. Gimme me the boys who kick fucking ass up front.
You guys have your quarterback just need a better OC. If you give Fields a good to great line he will flourish. Just my 2 cents. He has the mental toughness to do it.
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Why fire the staff in the middle of a rebuild? Oh wait, they have to do something to appease the legions of meatball Bears fans! Spend money on players and then hire a new staff when you have a roster that isn’t hot garbage.
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Why fire the staff in the middle of a rebuild? Oh wait, they have to do something to appease the legions of meatball Bears fans! Spend money on players and then hire a new staff when you have a roster that isn’t hot garbage.
Sometimes you just have to admit mistakes and try to correct them (Claypool, Getsy, and probably Eberflus).
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Sometimes you just have to admit mistakes and try to correct them (Claypool, Getsy, and probably Eberflus).
You forgot somebody here… 🤔
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Sometimes you just have to admit mistakes and try to correct them (Claypool, Getsy, and probably Eberflus).
Really? Hmmmmm.
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Why fire the staff in the middle of a rebuild? Oh wait, they have to do something to appease the legions of meatball Bears fans! Spend money on players and then hire a new staff when you have a roster that isn’t hot garbage.
Especially when last year's record didn't count (somehow).
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Especially when last year's record didn't count (somehow).
Neither does this year's record. And counting next year's record is dubious also.
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Neither does this year's record. And counting next year's record is dubious also.
It appears we should not count the Bear record when a certain someone is QB1.
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You forgot somebody here… 🤔
Here, I’ll give you a clue. His name starts with a J…
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Especially when last year's record didn't count (somehow).
You’ll never ever EVER get it.
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Neither does this year's record. And counting next year's record is dubious also.
Don’t choke on all that straw.
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Don’t choke on all that straw.
Lol
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I think one of these will happen, but it won't surprise me if none of them happen.
This
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Here, I’ll give you a clue. His name starts with a J…
Ok ok, second clue. His last name starts with a F…
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Ok ok, second clue. His last name starts with a F…
Fields wasn’t drafted by this regime, so that’s the main reason I didn’t include him. And I’m sure I have added the words “possible mistake,” if I had.
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Ok ok, second clue. His last name starts with a F…
Last year you said you saw enough to “give him two more years.” What changed? He had back to back great passing games before the mediocre half against Minnesota.
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Last year you said you saw enough to “give him two more years.” What changed? He had back to back great passing games before the mediocre half against Minnesota.
Honestly, I don’t think he’s the answer, but I don’t see any harm in keeping him on a rookie deal for the final year of his contract. I wouldn’t let it prevent me from getting a guy this year if you think one of the guys this year is the guy you want going forward. Possibly letting him sit for half a year and then possibly trading away Fields before next years trade deadline.
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Honestly, I don’t think he’s the answer, but I don’t see any harm in keeping him on a rookie deal for the final year of his contract. I wouldn’t let it prevent me from getting a guy this year if you think one of the guys this year is the guy you want going forward. Possibly letting him sit for half a year and then possibly trading away Fields before next years trade deadline.
They have to draft a quarterback this year. Whether he's the answer or not, you can't bet on that.
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Honestly, I don’t think he’s the answer, but I don’t see any harm in keeping him on a rookie deal for the final year of his contract. I wouldn’t let it prevent me from getting a guy this year if you think one of the guys this year is the guy you want going forward. Possibly letting him sit for half a year and then possibly trading away Fields before next years trade deadline.
I’ve said that like a dozen times.
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I’ve said that like a dozen times.
You've also told people to be patient while they watch shit football. Then flip and say the coach needs to be fired.
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You've also told people to be patient while they watch shit football. Then flip and say the coach needs to be fired.
But not the QB!
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I would guesstimate the Bears will come away with one of either Williams or Maye, and one of Harrison Jr. or Fashanu. I’m good with that.
If they don’t take a QB, then who knows what they would get based on the trade offer. Would probably be a record-breaking haul. Might be better to go that route honestly. 🤷🏻♂️
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You've also told people to be patient while they watch shit football. Then flip and say the coach needs to be fired.
Yes. A little more patient than 6 games.
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You've also told people to be patient while they watch shit football. Then flip and say the coach needs to be fired.
I don’t recall saying he “needs to be fired.” I said he’s a candidate to be fired.
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Yes. A little more patient than 6 games.
6 games? What the fuck are you talking about?
This team sucks. It is what it is. And you want to throw Flus under the bus solely. Even tho his roster is garbage.
Again, why is Poles getting a pass?
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I don’t recall saying he “needs to be fired.” I said he’s a candidate to be fired.
Oh fuck off.
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JFC
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The fact that Jobu is defending Flus just shows how much I’ve broken a few of you.
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Without even intending to.
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The fact that Jobu is defending Flus just shows how much I’ve broken a few of you.
I’m not defending him. Just find it funny how you always defended him, and now we no longer have to be patient.
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6 games? What the fuck are you talking about?
This team sucks. It is what it is. And you want to throw Flus under the bus solely. Even tho his roster is garbage.
Again, why is Poles getting a pass?
Sounds a lot like you’re defending him to me. “Even tho the roster is garbage.”
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You've also told people to be patient while they watch shit football. Then flip and say the coach needs to be fired.
Flip on a dime, due to a press conference.
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Flip on a dime, due to a press conference.
No, idiot.
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No, idiot.
That he is a candidate to be fired all started after the press conference
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How many times have I said I’m not seeing the same things from Flus that i saw last year (effort, discipline, accountability, hard practices, steadiness). I’ve been talking about the lack of that for weeks.
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That he is a candidate to be fired all started after the press conference
Lolololololololololol
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You haven't talked about him being candidate to be fired though
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You’re ridiculous.
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Lolololololololololol
You have defended these shitheads for 2 seasons now.
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You’re ridiculous.
Everyone has called you out on your BS
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You have defended these shitheads for 2 seasons now.
Last year was a throwaway. I saw a coach that brought hard practices and an effort based/disciplined (if not good) football team. I’ve given them/him some rope to start the season. Excuse time is about over. It’s time to start seeing some improvement.
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Last year was a throwaway. I saw a coach that brought hard practices and an effort based/disciplined (if not good) football team. I’ve given them/him some rope to start the season. Excuse time is about over. It’s time to start seeing some improvement.
Last year wasn't a throwaway. Had players who are still here who still play shitty D and O schemes.
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Last year was a throwaway. I saw a coach that brought hard practices and an effort based/disciplined (if not good) football team. I’ve given them/him some rope to start the season. Excuse time is about over. It’s time to start seeing some improvement.
You didn’t see shit, lol. You saw what the guys on twitter told you they were seeing.
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You didn’t see shit, lol. You saw what the guys on twitter told you they were seeing.
Oh, ok…good one.
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Tank Top Boy chimed in. Everyone loves Tank Top Boy don’t they?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PZEZ65gpnHE
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I don’t think the Bears messed up the #1 pick this past year, but I do agree with what these guys said about Fields…
https://x.com/clayharbs82/status/1723816875182698621?s=46&t=nLWTarDKWNHMqYhTVD-LQQ
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Lol
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I can’t believe how well paid these idiots are to spew ignorant takes.
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I predicted the future…
(https://i.ibb.co/XpDNSSM/IMG-2819.png) (https://ibb.co/jGzBggs)
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I predicted the future…
(https://i.ibb.co/XpDNSSM/IMG-2819.png) (https://ibb.co/jGzBggs)
Don’t hate it, Bob.
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I want Christian Mahogany on our squad. Because Jesus Christ, that's amazing.
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Hypothetical for those willing to answer it (guessing JusgeJudy is the only one who will offer a sincere answer):
If Fields manages to play well at Detroit this weekend; let’s say 270 yards 2 touchdowns no turnovers, runs for another 50+ and a TD AND WINS is that something along with solid play the rest of the year make you willing to keep him?
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Hypothetical for those willing to answer it (guessing JusgeJudy is the only one who will offer a sincere answer):
If Fields manages to play well at Detroit this weekend; let’s say 270 yards 2 touchdowns no turnovers, runs for another 50+ and a TD AND WINS is that something along with solid play the rest of the year make you willing to keep him?
Hypothetically, yes.
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Hypothetical for those willing to answer it (guessing JusgeJudy is the only one who will offer a sincere answer):
If Fields manages to play well at Detroit this weekend; let’s say 270 yards 2 touchdowns no turnovers, runs for another 50+ and a TD AND WINS is that something along with solid play the rest of the year make you willing to keep him?
I would honestly just need to see him run the offense like Bagent. Bagent you could tell knew the offense, made checks at the line if needed, processed through reads and progressions, and threw to them accordingly. That’s something we saw in 4 games from Bagent that we haven’t seen yet in 3 years from Fields. So I guess my answer is, I’ll just have to see it to be able to tell if he’s made progress. The coaches see them everyday in practice and have to know these things (no matter what you think of them). It’s between the ears that is Fields’ problem, not the ability. It’s somewhat the opposite for Bagent.
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I would honestly just need to see him run the offense like Bagent.
Lol
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Lol
I don’t know what’s funny about that. If you couldn’t tell that it ran smoother and better while he was in I don’t know what to tell you. He literally distributed the ball to all the receivers (hence going through progressions) and look much more put together. Fields can make the throws (based on talent) that Bagent can’t but he hasn’t been able to show what Bagent has as far as processing and making the simple reads and plays. It’s wild you can’t see that.
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What’s funny about that is your Bagent boner. I get what you are saying, but we don’t want Fields running the offense like Bagent. They aren’t very similar players. I get that you want Justin to process faster and play more “on time;” but we don’t want Fields “playing like Bagent.” We want Fields hunting with the football. You could have simply said “I’d like to see Justin play on-time more often” and left it at that.
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I “see” that playing on time consistently has been an issue for Fields.
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The offense literally had one good game under Bagent it’s when the running game dominated a Raiders team that had no life and fired their highly paid coach a couple days later.
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What’s funny about that is your Bagent boner. I get what you are saying, but we don’t want Fields running the offense like Bagent. They aren’t very similar players. I get that you want Justin to process faster and play more “on time;” but we don’t want Fields “playing like Bagent.” We want Fields hunting with the football. You could have simply said “I’d like to see Justin play on-time more often” and left it at that.
No Bagent boner. And you are incorrectly saying I said something I didn’t. I don’t want Fields playing like Bagent. I didn’t say that at all. Reread my post. You’re being dishonest with your rebuttal…
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I stated I would like him to run the offense like Bagent does. That’s a totally different thing than saying I wish he played like Bagent.
It’s your boner for Fields that keeps you from seeing that.
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I stated I would like him to run the offense like Bagent does. That’s a totally different thing than saying I wish he played like Bagent.
It’s your boner for Fields that keeps you from seeing that.
Lol.
Again, you could have simply said “I’d like to see Fields play on time.” Instead you want him to “run the offense like Bagent.” Newsflash. The offense wasn’t that good under Bagent.
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Lol.
Again, you could have simply said “I’d like to see Fields play on time.” Instead you want him to “run the offense like Bagent.” Newsflash. The offense wasn’t that good under Bagent.
If it was being ran that way with Fields’ talent, it’d look much better. I have yet to see that from Fields. In three years what Bagent did in four games. He’s missing it between the ears. After seeing it for three years, is he able to suddenly just process information faster? I don’t know, I guess that’s the question we’re waiting to be answered…
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We’ve seen it from Fields. Just not consistently.
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We’ve seen it from Fields. Just not consistently.
I just used Bagent as an example. I’m sure the WR’s were loving getting the ball thrown to them while he was in there these past 4 games. Mooney didn’t even get a touch all year with Fields in there lol
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Hypothetical for those willing to answer it (guessing JusgeJudy is the only one who will offer a sincere answer):
If Fields manages to play well at Detroit this weekend; let’s say 270 yards 2 touchdowns no turnovers, runs for another 50+ and a TD AND WINS is that something along with solid play the rest of the year make you willing to keep him?
Who is defining "solid play" ?
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Who is defining "solid play" ?
Typical from you.
Tempo: “Water is wet.”
Mn: “You sure about that?”
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I’d like to see Fields get ball out quicker more consistently. After that, I don’t need him copying Bagent’s formula. They are different players with different ceilings. But yes, I’d like to see Justin making quicker decisions. That doesn’t mean I want him running the offense like Bagent.
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And occasionally just throw it quickly to the first read in anticipation. I think that would help him and the offense a lot.
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So I actually think we can find some middle ground here. I’d actually say I’d like him to play “a little bit more like Bagent,” meaning more on time and quicker throws. But I don’t necessarily want him “running the offense like Bagent,” because it was almost exclusively short stuff. That’s not taking advantage of Justin’s abilities.
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Bagent wasn’t throwing 20 yard outs, which take longer to develop than a 2 yard curl.
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Typical from you.
Tempo: “Water is wet.”
Mn: “You sure about that?”
I thought that was a reasonable question.
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Hypothetical for those willing to answer it (guessing JusgeJudy is the only one who will offer a sincere answer):
If Fields manages to play well at Detroit this weekend; let’s say 270 yards 2 touchdowns no turnovers, runs for another 50+ and a TD AND WINS is that something along with solid play the rest of the year make you willing to keep him?
He needs to show some consistency, in a good way, through 4 quarters of each game the rest of the year. If he can do that, fine. If we see these wild fluctuations where he is great for 2 quarters and then sucks in the 4th, nope.
Interesting to see how Sweat does against Detroit.
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I thought that was a reasonable question.
Do you want specific numbers? I think we all know “good quarterbacking” when we see it. Good to great production. Turnovers at a reasonable level. Maybe even a few wins sprinkled in. Good play in critical situations. How would you like it defined? We all just know it when we see it.
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Do you want specific numbers? I think we all know “good quarterbacking” when we see it. Good to great production. Turnovers at a reasonable level. Maybe even a few wins sprinkled in. Good play in critical situations. How would you like it defined? We all just know it when we see it.
Isn't a QB rating in the 99s or higher deemed acceptable these days?
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He needs to start showing more. The next 4 games should answer some questions.
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Isn't a QB rating in the 99s or higher deemed acceptable these days?
99s?
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He needs to start showing more. The next 4 games should answer some questions.
He was “showing more” 2 of his last three starts. Somewhere between his bad play and that (and closer to that) should be sufficient.
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99s?
99.1 to 99.9. Or is it over 100 these days,
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99.1 to 99.9. Or is it over 100 these days,
Lol
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He was “showing more” 2 of his last three starts. Somewhere between his bad play and that (and closer to that) should be sufficient.
One game, a loss at home, was against a team that limped into Chicago and was not playing well and had given up 70 the week before.
The other was the equivalent of a qb salivating at the thought of throwing against our defense. But were not dead last in pass defense like Washington is.
Or does having one of the worst defenses in the league argument only come into play when discussing the Bears giving up points and how that impacts Fields record ?
Hang a banner or two.
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One game, a loss at home, was against a team that limped into Chicago and was not playing well and had given up 70 the week before.
The other was the equivalent of a qb salivating at the thought of throwing against our defense. But were not dead last in pass defense like Washington is.
Or does having one of the worst defenses in the league argument only come into play when discussing the Bears giving up points and how that impacts Fields record ?
Hang a banner or two.
And it is not as if he was even good all 4 quarters in those games.
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Lol
Got it. You don't want to try and set an objective standard for judging Fields' play and then wonder why Mn asked the question he asked.
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One game, a loss at home, was against a team that limped into Chicago and was not playing well and had given up 70 the week before.
The other was the equivalent of a qb salivating at the thought of throwing against our defense. But were not dead last in pass defense like Washington is.
Or does having one of the worst defenses in the league argument only come into play when discussing the Bears giving up points and how that impacts Fields record ?
Hang a banner or two.
JFC
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JFC
You disagree with something here ?
Lol
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You disagree with something here ?
Lol
I realize you’ve self-anointed yourself to be the one to try and poke holes into EVERTHING I say, no matter how factual or trivial. But that same team has made Patrick Mahomes look very average twice already this year (and gave him a loss), and they just turned over Josh Allen three times last night and beat him on his field. If you take anything out of this discussion let it be the knowledge that the NFL is a week to week league. Any team can beat any team. It’s not college football. They are all pros. Justin Fields can only play against the pros who are on his schedule for that week.
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Got it. You don't want to try and set an objective standard for judging Fields' play and then wonder why Mn asked the question he asked.
There are lots of measurements for “good quarterback play.” But one just generally knows it when they see it. He wants me to answer something that is almost impossible to answer satisfactorily.
If Fields is productive, plays mostly clean, and shows improvement on timing passes I’d say that’s “good quarterback play.”
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Looks like someone got busy with their alts.
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JFC
Can you please explain how he was wrong instead of throwing out a Justin Fields is Christ reference?
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I realize you’ve self-anointed yourself to be the one to try and poke holes into EVERTHING I say, no matter how factual or trivial. But that same team has made Patrick Mahomes look very average twice already this year (and gave him a loss), and they just turned over Josh Allen three times last night and beat him on his field. If you take anything out of this discussion let it be the knowledge that the NFL is a week to week league. Any team can beat any team. It’s not college football. They are all pros. Justin Fields can only play against the pros who are on his schedule for that week.
LOL. The answer is no, you can't explain how he was wrong.
Yeah we all know Denver is not the same team that made JFC look competent for 3 quarters and then woke up in the 4th. You aren't even trying at this point.
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There are lots of measurements for “good quarterback play.” But one just generally knows it when they see it. He wants me to answer something that is almost impossible to answer satisfactorily.
If Fields is productive, plays mostly clean, and shows improvement on timing passes I’d say that’s “good quarterback play.”
So no objective measures, just the Tempo Eye Test. Oy.
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There are lots of measurements for “good quarterback play.” But one just generally knows it when they see it. He wants me to answer something that is almost impossible to answer satisfactorily.
If Fields is productive, plays mostly clean, and shows improvement on timing passes I’d say that’s “good quarterback play.”
And you proved why Mn's question was a good one.
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So no objective measures, just the Tempo Eye Test. Oy.
Now it's all about being on time. lol. It's also about throwing to a spot, knowing that your receiver will be there. Fields hasn't proven that he can do that.
Stroud is proving that every week. He looks like a big boy quarterback already. Outlier or not, he's getting it. And it didn't take him 3 years.
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Can you please explain how he was wrong instead of throwing out a Justin Fields is Christ reference?
I explained it. This same exact team made Mahomes look mediocre twice and turned Josh Allen over 3x for the win in Orchard Valley last night. It’s the NFL, but college. Anyone can beat anyone.
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Now it's all about being on time. lol. It's also about throwing to a spot, knowing that your receiver will be there. Fields hasn't proven that he can do that.
Stroud is proving that every week. He looks like a big boy quarterback already. Outlier or not, he's getting it. And it didn't take him 3 years.
“Outlier or not.” Lol A tremendous outlier.
Yes, Justin Fields needs to get better at some things. Look around the league. Quarterback play sucks right now. He’s not been as bad as everyone says he’s been.
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And you proved why Mn's question was a good one.
It’s a piece of shit question intended to be a “gotcha.” That’s all he does when he responds to me. Tries to “gotcha” me. He knows there’s no “exact” answer outside of Fields completely balling out every game.
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Now it's all about being on time. lol. It's also about throwing to a spot, knowing that your receiver will be there. Fields hasn't proven that he can do that.
Stroud is proving that every week. He looks like a big boy quarterback already. Outlier or not, he's getting it. And it didn't take him 3 years.
Yes, seeing the most open guy and getting him the ball in a timely fashion. That’s been the primary complaint about Justin since day one.
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So no objective measures, just the Tempo Eye Test. Oy.
Dude. You are KING of the random measurement test. Need 300 yard games. Need 4 good quarters in a row. Need a good 4th quarter. Need a 4th quarter comeback win. Need 8 good quarters in a row. I’m not sure Justin Fields has ever had a good game according to your analysis.
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“Outlier or not.” Lol A tremendous outlier.
Yes, Justin Fields needs to get better at some things. Look around the league. Quarterback play sucks right now. He’s not been as bad as everyone says he’s been.
Well, given that quarterback play sucks around the league, this would be the perfect time for your guy to step up and stand out. Much like CJ Stroud has done.
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Lol
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Well, given that quarterback play sucks around the league, this would be the perfect time for your guy to step up and stand out. Much like CJ Stroud has done.
CJ Stroud has been amazing. Maybe the best rookie season ever. Thanks for the reminder.
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Lol
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I explained it. This same exact team made Mahomes look mediocre twice and turned Josh Allen over 3x for the win in Orchard Valley last night. It’s the NFL, but college. Anyone can beat anyone.
You understand how dumb this explanation is? Especially since Denver has dumped deadweight and improved vastly since the Bear game.
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Anyone can beat anyone.
Lolololol
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Anyone can beat anyone.
Lolololol
Lol, Mn. Lol
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Anyone can beat anyone.
Lolololol
Just amazing the way he covers for Fields. He may be on Fields' payroll.
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You understand how dumb this explanation is? Especially since Denver has dumped deadweight and improved vastly since the Bear game.
The Bears game was 6 weeks ago. The Broncos “improved vastly” immediately after that. I’m not having this debate with you. It’s the same team, in a very short window.
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lol
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Anyone can beat anyone.
Lolololol
Just about. The Cardinals (when the GM was clearly trying to tank beat Dallas). Did anyone think the Vikings were going to beat San Fran? This isn’t college.
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The Broncos have won 3 in a row. Fields has 6 wins in 3 years.
Anyone can beat anyone.
Lolololol
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You guys are all just in full on troll mode today.
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Just about. The Cardinals (when the GM was clearly trying to tank beat Dallas). Did anyone think the Vikings were going to beat San Fran? This isn’t college.
Did anyone think Jordan Love would beat the Bears behind their veteran qb week 1 ?
Lolololol
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Lol
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The Bears game was 6 weeks ago. The Broncos “improved vastly” immediately after that. I’m not having this debate with you. It’s the same team, in a very short window.
LOL
Of course not, because your take is dumb.
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Did anyone think Jordan Love would beat the Bears behind their veteran qb week 1 ?
Lolololol
Two things: Jordan Love is also a veteran. Also, the spread had to be a FG or less, so yeah, I’m guessing some people did.
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LOL
Of course not, because your take is dumb.
It’s the same fucking team that frustrated Mahomes twice and beat Josh Allen on the road. The exact same team. I’m not having this debate.
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Lol
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It’s the same fucking team that frustrated Mahomes twice and beat Josh Allen on the road. The exact same team. I’m not having this debate.
LOL.
No it isn't. They got rid of deadweight on D and started playing better D.
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LOL.
No it isn't. They got rid of deadweight on D and started playing better D.
He's not having this debate with you.
Lol
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Well, given that quarterback play sucks around the league, this would be the perfect time for your guy to step up and stand out. Much like CJ Stroud has done.
Or Burrow, or Allen, or Purdy, or Stroud, or Hurts, or Lawrence, or *insert any QB here* to tell us how all those QB’s are outliers…
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The Broncos have won 3 in a row. Fields has 6 wins in 3 years.
Anyone can beat anyone.
Lolololol
Bagent has 2 for those same Bears in 4 games…
Insert LOLOLOLOLOL
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Did anyone think Jordan Love would beat the Bears behind their veteran qb week 1 ?
Lolololol
He’s an outlier!!!!
LOLOLOLOL
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Two things: Jordan Love is also a veteran. Also, the spread had to be a FG or less, so yeah, I’m guessing some people did.
But those first couple seasons don’t count because he didn’t play. He’s basically a rookie!!
Lolololol
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Lol!
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L O L !!!
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Here’s the two options, Bears…
https://x.com/robertkschmitz/status/1724503101728510186?s=46&t=nLWTarDKWNHMqYhTVD-LQQ
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Here’s the two options, Bears…
https://x.com/robertkschmitz/status/1724503101728510186?s=46&t=nLWTarDKWNHMqYhTVD-LQQ
The Bears will pick door #2.
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The Bears will pick door #2.
And fittingly they will end up with door #2 results…
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And fittingly they will end up with door #2 results…
And we'll be told that we need to be patient.
Lol
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Looks like everyone had Troll Flakes for breakfast.
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The Bears will pick door #2.
There’s actually a few extra doors.
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But those first couple seasons don’t count because he didn’t play. He’s basically a rookie!!
Lolololol
According to anti-Fields brigade’s leader, the PAMan; sitting and learning is good for a quarterback.
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Lol
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And fittingly they will end up with door #2 results…
Next year there needs to be a serious run at a playoff spot.
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Caleb Williams will need 30-50 starts to prove himself.
Lol
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Caleb Williams will need 30-50 starts to prove himself.
Lol
That’s what he will get.
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Mac Jones has had 41 starts FTR. Zach Wilson 30.
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I guarantee you Bill Belichick and Robert Saleh would be overjoyed to replace their quarterbacks with Justin Fields.
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That’s what he will get.
Well then, next year it will be pretty hard to make a serious run at a playoff spot, dontcha think?
That is, if you're applying Justin Fields metrics to this. Of course, if you're being disingenuous, you will rip Caleb's ass every chance you get.
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Mac Jones has had 41 starts FTR. Zach Wilson 30.
Mac Jones sucks. Zach Wilson sucks. That was known prior to now.
Justin Fields has had at least 30 starts. But apparently we don't know.
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Lol
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Mac Jones, the processing “super computer” is horrible. And has had 10 more starts than Fields.
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I guarantee you Bill Belichick and Robert Saleh would be overjoyed to replace their quarterbacks with Justin Fields.
Bill Belichick is mailing it in at this point. Robert Saleh has Aaron Rodgers healing up from his achilles.
They would take him on his rookie deal. I'm not sure they would be willing to pay him.
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Mac Jones, the processing “super computer” is horrible. And has had 10 more starts than Fields.
What is your point? That Mac Jones sucks? No shit. That's obvious.
What does that have to do with anything? I didn't need 40 starts from him to ascertain that.
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Lol
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I guarantee you Bill Belichick and Robert Saleh would be overjoyed to replace their quarterbacks with Justin Fields.
LOL!!!!!!!!
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Mac Jones sucks. Zach Wilson sucks. That was known prior to now.
Justin Fields has had at least 30 starts. But apparently we don't know.
I do not get why Jones' and Wilson's starts last year count.
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Mac Jones, the processing “super computer” is horrible. And has had 10 more starts than Fields.
LOL
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Bill Belichick is mailing it in at this point. Robert Saleh has Aaron Rodgers healing up from his achilles.
They would take him on his rookie deal. I'm not sure they would be willing to pay him.
Not what I was saying. But they’d gladly swap what they currently have for Fields. Of course Saleh would rather have a healthy Arron Rodgers. And both of those guys have as many or more starts than Fields.
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I do not get why Jones' and Wilson's starts last year count.
That's a good point. They probably shouldn't.
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Not what I was saying. But they’d gladly swap what they currently have for Fields. Of course Saleh would rather have a healthy Arron Rodgers. And both of those guys have as many or more starts than Fields.
Mac Jones should be out of the league. I think Zach Wilson has some value. I can't say who would gladly swap what, obviously. And really, neither can you.
LOL
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That's a good point. They probably shouldn't.
Lol
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Lol
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Mac Jones should be out of the league. I think Zach Wilson has some value. I can't say who would gladly swap what, obviously. And really, neither can you.
LOL
There’s been a clear pecking order in that draft. Lawrence, Fields, Jones, Wilson, Lance. Not that anyone is a franchise quarterback at this point other than Lawrence, but there’s no doubt Fields has been better than Jones and Wilson despite being on the worst of the three rosters (it’s arguable NE is close to that bad this year). But they weren’t the last two years. NE wasn’t actively ranking and trading away their better players.
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Peter King says 15 quarterbacks drafted in the top 15 in the last 5 years and only 5 of them are solid. Fields would probably be 6. Lol with a chance to still get better.
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I really don't know what point you're trying to make.
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I really don't know what point you're trying to make.
Lol
Quarterbacking in the NFL is hard. And 1st round draft choices usually get 3-4 years before their initial grades are complete.
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Well, your guy has had about that amount of time. And if they move on, and say draft Caleb Williams, then you can't realistically say that they need to make a push for the playoffs next year.
That was my point.
Lol
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Lol
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Here’s that lady again talking Fields and football…
https://x.com/kct2020/status/1724515312341512320?s=46&t=nLWTarDKWNHMqYhTVD-LQQ
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Lol
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Well, your guy has had about that amount of time. And if they move on, and say draft Caleb Williams, then you can't realistically say that they need to make a push for the playoffs next year.i
That was my point.
Lol
Next year should be a time you’d realistically expect to making a playoff push. So the quarterback better be ready for that regardless who it is. If you go to a rookie next year he’ll be behind the rest of the team which isn’t ideal. You’d better have a QB ready to win pretty fast or you’re talking a 4-5 year rebuild.
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With the influx of more free agents, and a third year of draftees (with the most capital yet being next year), it would be very realistic to expect on field results. If you go to a rookie he’d better be on a quick learning curve or you’re hamstringing the franchise for a couple years.
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Lol
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I realistically think if the Bears draft a QB, there’s no way they are keeping Fields in my opinion. They wouldn’t want that lingering over the new QB and all the drama that would come with it.
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With the influx of more free agents, and a third year of draftees (with the most capital yet being next year), it would be very realistic to expect on field results. If you go to a rookie he’d better be on a quick learning curve or you’re hamstringing the franchise for a couple years.
Shoulda take Stroud instead of kicking the can down the road.
Lol
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I realistically think if the Bears draft a QB, there’s no way they are keeping Fields in my opinion. They wouldn’t want that lingering over the new QB and all the drama that would come with it.
Exactly. We wouldn’t want Caleb to go running into the stands and crying like a little bitch.
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Shoulda take Stroud instead of kicking the can down the road.
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Exactly. We wouldn’t want Caleb to go running into the stands and crying like a little bitch.
You haven’t even given him a chance, yet can’t get off Fields’ dick
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You haven’t even given him a chance, yet can’t get off Fields’ dick
If he ever makes it here I’ll give him a chance.
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I have a hard time envisioning how the coaching staff keeps their jobs after yesterday. Ironically, with 4 minutes left in the game, it was exhibit A in the case for why they should.
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I have a hard time envisioning how the coaching staff keeps their jobs after yesterday. Ironically, with 4 minutes left in the game, it was exhibit A in the case for why they should.
This only came to you yesterday that they should lose their jobs?
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Pretty obvious at this point that the geniuses behind the scenes hired these unqualified clowns to be patsies during the rebuild.
If things don’t go as planned just jettison the patsy or patsies as needed to satisfy the bloodlust of the meatball fans and media and keep any heat off the actual decision makers.
Working like a charm!
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This only came to you yesterday that they should lose their jobs?
No, I’ve been leaning that direction for a while. I’m saying yesterday was a likely lethal blow to their employment prospects with the Bears.
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Pretty obvious at this point that the geniuses behind the scenes hired these unqualified clowns to be patsies during the rebuild.
If things don’t go as planned just jettison the patsy or patsies as needed to satisfy the bloodlust of the meatball fans and media and keep any heat off the actual decision makers.
Working like a charm!
This theory has been going around, and I can’t discount it at all. We’ve been seeing this a lot. Not many coaches are going to sign on for a complete rebuild. We’ve seen the Cubs do this twice now. Hire the caretaker to oversee the shitshow and then get a better guy when you think you’re ready to move to point B.
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I’m reminded of the time Poles said he “knew Flus was his guy at first blush.” Maybe he saw Flus and said “Ahhh, yeah…there’s my sucker!”
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No, I’ve been leaning that direction for a while. I’m saying yesterday was a likely lethal blow to their employment prospects with the Bears.
LOL. You should become an educator. Kids and parents would love you. No failing grades despite how bad the kids' effort is.
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LOL. You should become an educator. Kids and parents would love you. No failing grades despite how bad the kids' effort is.
Flus and Getsy are failing, so how do you figure? I gave them some leeway in a season where they were literally set up to fail (last year).
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Flus and Getsy are failing, so how do you figure? I gave them some leeway in a season where they were literally set up to fail (last year).
Guess what...they actually sucked last year too and actually made things worse last year and this year.
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Guess what...they actually sucked last year too and actually made things worse last year and this year.
Yes, that year literally sucked almost entirely by design, but you will ever EVER get that.
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Yes, that year literally sucked almost entirely by design, but you will ever EVER get that.
I get it. I also get why people don't do that.
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Yes, that year literally sucked almost entirely by design, but you will ever EVER get that.
You will never EVER get that Poles, Eberlose and Getsy all actually sucked last year too despite the tank job.
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Ryan Poles took over a team that had poor draft capital and salary cap issues galore. I’m sorry it hurt you in your sensitive little feels, but it was the smart thing to do.
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You will never EVER get that Poles, Eberlose and Getsy all actually sucked last year too despite the tank job.
The team with virtually no talent performed poorly! Everyone sucked, clearly! Especially the coaches since they couldn’t win with the team with no talent!
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Ryan Poles took over a team that had poor draft capital and salary cap issues galore. I’m sorry it hurt you in your sensitive little feels, but it was the smart thing to do.
Velus Jones. Claypool. Trading for wide receivers while the OL stinks. Bringing in "good" DL for "great DL" money AND a 2! He sucks. Has no clue what he is doing.
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The team with virtually no talent performed poorly! Everyone sucked, clearly! Especially the coaches since they couldn’t win with the team with no talent!
The coaching schemes sucked last year and this year. Glad you are BTC and only figuring out they are clowns now.
Sad!
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Velus Jones. Claypool. Trading for wide receivers while the OL stinks. Bringing in "good" DL for "great DL" money AND a 2! He sucks. Has no clue what he is doing.
Every team has busts. Every single team. Look at the Niners. It’s how you handle the fallout that determines if you are good. The Sweat contract is market value, stop clowning yourself.
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Every team has busts. Every single team. Look at the Niners. It’s how you handle the fallout that determines if you are good. The Sweat contract is market value, stop clowning yourself.
How is it market value when the market was not tested in this instance?
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Zzzzzzzzz…
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Zzzzzzzzz…
Another laydown noted. Should have bolded the Zs.
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Another laydown noted. Should have bolded the Zs.
I’m laying down because you will never accept that the Sweat contract is market value. Even though it clearly is. He wasn’t hitting Free Agency. And your 2nd rounder probably wasn’t going to be as good as he is.
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I’m laying down because you will never accept that the Sweat contract is market value. Even though it clearly is. He wasn’t hitting Free Agency. And your 2nd rounder probably wasn’t going to be as good as he is.
You are assuming quite a bit there.
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You are assuming quite a bit there.
Spitting facts as the kids and Mn like to say.
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Spitting facts as the kids and Mn like to say.
Apparently $weat only played 63% of the defensive plays yesterday...in a game where Detroit only had the ball for 20 minutes. How out of shape is he?
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Spitting facts as the kids and Mn like to say.
You did not cite facts; you cited your opinions.
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We have to be patient
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We have to be patient
Yes, patient with Justin Fields only
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We have to be patient
You’re enfuego
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If they are keeping Flus (and I think they will minus another embarrassing loss), I think his best chance to win next year is to bring Fields back. If they bring in a new regime, it makes more sense to bring in a new quarterback in that scenario. A week ago I’d have said Flus is back for sure, the fashion in which they lost (especially having Justin Jones in coverage against Njoku) was a blow to the case of keeping him. Having said that, go 2-1 with no embarrassing moments and I think he’s back.
Can’t see them rebuilding the offense from scratch under Flus if he is back. Cant see how Getsy is back, though.
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Out of the three (Flus, Fields, Getsy), Getsy is pretty clearly the worst at his job. Just can’t see him back under any scenario.
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If you bring Flus back and start all over with the offense (new OC and rookie QB), you’re basically saying Flus gets at least two more years. I think next year is a playoffs or bust year. The roster is far from complete, but with another draft and free agent class there’s no reason this team shouldn’t be in the playoff mix. Certainly couldn’t see Flus signing off on a new offense (OC and QB) if he knows he’s on the hot seat (in the end not his choice, however). That would be setting him up for the executioner though. In that case, why not just change coaches now?
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I gave PAMan a tongue in cheek explanation as to why Getsy hasn’t been fired yet (well, there’s probably no one competent to take his place for one), but tbh I think there may be validity to my theory.
If Poles fired him now, he’s shooting his wad early. The pressure mounts on Justin, the offense and Flus to turn it around now. If he waits to shitcan Getsy at the end of the year, then it’s fresh blood for the masses and it’s easier to justify keeping Justin. If he fires Getsy and the rest of the season is a flop you’re out of excuses. Plus, the Bears don’t fire coaches in-season (unless it’s HR stepping in).
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If they are keeping Flus (and I think they will minus another embarrassing loss), I think his best chance to win next year is to bring Fields back. If they bring in a new regime, it makes more sense to bring in a new quarterback in that scenario. A week ago I’d have said Flus is back for sure, the fashion in which they lost (especially having Justin Jones in coverage against Njoku) was a blow to the case of keeping him. Having said that, go 2-1 with no embarrassing moments and I think he’s back.
Can’t see them rebuilding the offense from scratch under Flus if he is back. Cant see how Getsy is back, though.
This is the disaster scenario.
Bring back the mediocre QB and coach and cross your fingers the guy you scapegoated was actually the problem. Would be a huge, easily avoidable mistake.
If I had the reins they'd all be gone.
If I was a betting man, I'd bet on Getsy and Fields being gone and Eberflus staying.
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I don’t think they’re gonna stick with Fields if they get rid of Getsy. If he goes , so does Fields in my opinion. Like Spark said, you almost can’t. No way Poles allows Fields another OC and to try and learn a new system AGAIN. That would be a waste and nightmare scenario.
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It's also not remotely fair to Justin Fields to put him in a position to learn his third new offense in his second straight "prove it" season.
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Agreed.
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He's shown he does not have the ability to learn any offense in the last 3 years. They can't be that stupid to try again. Well, it is the Bear, so, yes, they are.
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I don’t think they’re gonna stick with Fields if they get rid of Getsy. If he goes , so does Fields in my opinion. Like Spark said, you almost can’t. No way Poles allows Fields another OC and to try and learn a new system AGAIN. That would be a waste and nightmare scenario.
I don’t think learning the system will be as difficult if you have a system that actually takes advantage of his talents, and he can do more than just run
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Not to mention upgrading the skill position players would almost certainly help. There is ample evidence of that happening for other quarterbacks in the last few years
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Do you guys really think that DJ Moore and Marvin Harrison JR together isn’t a major upgrade in offensive firepower?
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I would also try to find an offensive coordinator who is familiar with the San Fran Green Bay scheme then you don’t have to change as much you can just kind of layer stuff in. It doesn’t have to be a massive overhaul of the offense.
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It's also not remotely fair to Justin Fields to put him in a position to learn his third new offense in his second straight "prove it" season.
He’s probably gonna be in a prove it season no matter where he goes.
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He’s probably gonna be in a prove it season no matter where he goes.
Totally disagree.
If another team is going to trade assets for Fields, part of making that trade is the decision to also exercise that option. If you think there's any possibility that you're trading for one year of bad Fields, you don't trade any decent pick.
The Bears aren't in that situation.
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I would also try to find an offensive coordinator who is familiar with the San Fran Green Bay scheme then you don’t have to change as much you can just kind of layer stuff in. It doesn’t have to be a massive overhaul of the offense.
So you want to get a guy who kind of has a similar style to Getsy? :)
Wanted to edit in - this is a joke, for the record. This is not me trying to extrapolate something you said into something you didn't say.
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Do you guys really think that DJ Moore and Marvin Harrison JR together isn’t a major upgrade in offensive firepower?
Did anyone say anything even close to this?
I'll also point out that this isn't THAT different than saying the same thing with Caleb's name in there instead of Marvin Harrison.
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Let's say you fire Getsy, keep Fields, take MHJ at pick 3-4-5 after a trade-down, and next year Fields looks pretty much the same as he looks this year and also the last two years? A dude who's explosive, makes great plays with his legs. Is mediocre in the passing game. Has terrible numbers in the fourth quarter and clutchtime. The defense is still good, but even with a new OC and MHJ Fields looks pretty much the same. You go 9-8, pick at 17 or 18 with another pick around 6-10. Now what? You're back in the QB lottery. It seems like a big risk to take to guess that Fields will make some huge jump in year 4 with a new OC. It's possible, no doubt, but I think that's often presented as a 'safe' option, and I think it's at least as risky as trading him and taking a shot on a top QB prospect.
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Did anyone say anything even close to this?
I'll also point out that this isn't THAT different than saying the same thing with Caleb's name in there instead of Marvin Harrison.
I think Harrison is safer than Caleb, but that’s only my opinion.
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I think you overestimate the “safety” of a #1 pick. And the fact that you’re now touting Maye tells me you don’t have a lot of conviction, you just want change. Hope and change.
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I think Harrison is safer than Caleb, but that’s only my opinion.
Correct, it is. And all the stuff people talk about with pulling late round QBs applies even more to WR. WR is one of the deepest skill positions in the league right now. The best guy out there was a 5th round draft pick.
Marvin Harrison looks like a great talent. He plays a position where he will rely on having good QB play to be successful. If the Bears pick him without a good QB his upside will be considerably limited. Not to mention that Fields hasn’t really shown much of an ability to feed a WR2 to this point in his career.
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I think you overestimate the “safety” of a #1 pick. And the fact that you’re now touting Maye tells me you don’t have a lot of conviction, you just want change. Hope and change.
Correct. The QB the Bears currently have has started 37 NFL games and is still mediocre. Despite the multiple times you have claimed some corner was turned, he is still mediocre week to week. I know you lose track of this in your mile long list of excuses, but you only have to make those excuses so often because Fields has not been very good. He has never shown the ability to be a consistently good quarterback. He will be expensive after next year. I have a ton of conviction that Justin Fields is not very good to this point - but that isn’t like, something most people would find controversial. The “keep fields” argument is entirely based on hope that he makes a very rare year 3 to year 4 jump.
The Bears have an extremely rare chance at the very top of a draft with multiple great QB prospects. It’s time for a change, regardless of which guy it is. I like Williams more than Maye from what I’ve seen of them, but I trust Poles to decide between them.
You are “hoping” just as much. Hoping Fields suddenly gets a lot better in his fourth year as a starter. History tells us if a QB isn’t that much better between years 2 and 3, the chances they make a huge jump in year 4 are small.
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37 games, conveniently dismisses that the vast majority of “support” he’s been given is trash.
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I’ve heard an awful lot of people the last few weeks who may or may not know as much about football as spark mandrel say that fields is improving and worth holding onto. But Spark disagrees so their opinions are invalid.
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People who are experienced in the NFL and paid to have opinions on such matters, but they are stupid only spark knows
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I’ve heard an awful lot of people the last few weeks who may or may not know as much about football as spark mandrel say that fields is improving and worth holding onto. But Spark disagrees so their opinions are invalid.
It really is pointless to talk to you. Just fucking pointless.
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It really is pointless to talk to you. Just fucking pointless.
Hey man, it’s a lot of fun getting shouted down that your opinion is the only one that matters not the ones that disagree with you
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I have never once fucking said that the case to keep Justin Fields is inarguable. But I’m apparently being told the case to get rid of him is.
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I have never once fucking said that the case to keep Justin Fields is inarguable. But I’m apparently being told the case to get rid of him is.
Never once have I said it.
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There are strong opinions on both sides of it. The only one that matters is Poles. I think we can at least agree on that.
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There are strong opinions on both sides of it. The only one that matters is Poles. I think we can at least agree on that.
No argument there. With all apologies to George W. Bush, he is “the
decider.”
I wonder if Kevin Warren is muscling in on this decision. Possible.
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I would expect him to at least have some input
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I hope he has input but not final say.
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I hope he has input but not final say.
That's how it should work. But it's the Bears, so who the fuck knows. Maybe Virginia has final say.
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I’ve heard an awful lot of people the last few weeks who may or may not know as much about football as spark mandrel say that fields is improving and worth holding onto. But Spark disagrees so their opinions are invalid.
Tempo I’m asking you for the last time - PLEASE stop lying about what I said. Please.
If you can’t I am not going to hang out here anymore. You lie about me fucking constantly
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Tempo I’m asking you for the last time - PLEASE stop lying about what I said. Please.
If you can’t I am not going to hang out here anymore. You lie about me fucking constantly
Not trying to be snarky here, but you literally just told me that my position was “valid” in order to humor me, so what other interpretation is there? Serious question
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Not trying to be snarky here, but you literally just told me that my position was “valid” in order to humor me, so what other interpretation is there? Serious question
Nope, you demanded I say your opinion was justifiable, not “valid”. Those words mean different things. If you could just stick to what I actually say instead of trying to reinterpret it, that’d go a long way.
Your opinion was always valid. I’ve never said otherwise.
To me, it isn’t justifiable - I cannot find a way to justify it personally. Doesn’t mean it’s an invalid opinion to have.
No one’s opinion is invalid, but not all of them are justifiable either.
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Uh oh!!!!!
https://x.com/pete_martuneac/status/1738142193015996617?s=46&t=nLWTarDKWNHMqYhTVD-LQQ
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Are these predictions that are expressions of hope or our expectations of what will actually happen? I may want to change my vote based on whatever Tempo's definition of "predict" is in the language he speaks known as "Fieldese."
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Uh oh!!!!!
https://x.com/pete_martuneac/status/1738142193015996617?s=46&t=nLWTarDKWNHMqYhTVD-LQQ
Uh oh!!!!!
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Are these predictions that are expressions of hope or our expectations of what will actually happen? I may want to change my vote based on whatever Tempo's definition of "predict" is in the language he speaks known as "Fieldese."
Without a rash of preseason and first half of season injuries I think 10 wins would have been in play. #NoExcusesTour #ravaged #fgrange
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Uh oh!!!!!
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Does this mean Walter Payton is no longer elite?
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Without a rash of preseason and first half of season injuries I think 10 wins would have been in play. #NoExcusesTour #ravaged #fgrange
LOL.
What does that have to do with this poll?
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Are these predictions that are expressions of hope or our expectations of what will actually happen? I may want to change my vote based on whatever Tempo's definition of "predict" is in the language he speaks known as "Fieldese."
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I think if the goal is to win the next year or two, you keep Flus/Fields. Getsy can’t stay unless you bring in a “co-coordinator” for some fresh perspective.
If you draft Williams or Maye, you just about have to bring in a whole new staff. Bringing in a rookie quarterback with a staff that could be fired next year would be repeating mistakes of the past.
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Having said that, minus a pooping of the bed the last three games I don’t think Flus is going anywhere. This defense is on the verge of being elite, and say what you will, many coaches would have lost the team a long time ago. They still play for him.
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Having said that, minus a pooping of the bed the last three games I don’t think Flus is going anywhere. This defense is on the verge of being elite, and say what you will, many coaches would have lost the team a long time ago. They still play for him.
Elite? Over 200 yards in the 4th quarter against Joe Flacco and a USFL line is the "verge of being elite?" C'mon Tempo....
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Elite? Over 200 yards in the 4th quarter against Joe Flacco and a USFL line is the "verge of being elite?" C'mon Tempo....
I 1,000% knew this was coming. 1) On the verge of 2) a bad quarter can be had by any defense
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The Cowboys and Eagles are supposed to have elite defenses and get shredded fairly regularly.
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The defense is unquestionably markedly improved. If they add a Danielle Hunter and another top prospect, watch out.
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I 1,000% knew this was coming. 1) On the verge of 2) a bad quarter can be had by any defense
The last time they played a decent QB was the Charger? Not exactly a dynamic offense and they even lit the Bear D up, even if it was pre-Take Big Plays Off Sweat.
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The defense is unquestionably markedly improved. If they add a Danielle Hunter and another top prospect, watch out.
Who is coaching them? If it is Eberlose and his Cover 2 Bullshit, watch out is right. Watch out below.
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If Flus doesn’t have Justin Jones drop back into coverage they maybe win that game. One or two bad calls doesn’t make Flus a bad defensive coach.
Did you see the Mike McDaniels video where he addresses his team and talks about him calling “trash fucking plays?”
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Who is coaching them? If it is Eberlose and his Cover 2 Bullshit, watch out is right. Watch out below.
Dude, they play a lot more than Cover2. You are memeing right now.
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If Flus doesn’t have Justin Jones drop back into coverage they maybe win that game. One or two bad calls doesn’t make Flus a bad defensive coach.
Did you see the Mike McDaniels video where he addresses his team and talks about calling “trash fucking plays?”
Blowing 4th quarter lead after 4th quarter lead makes you a trash defensive coach.
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Dude, they play a lot more than Cover2. You are memeing right now.
LOL. You are deluding yourself right now. It is a day that ends in "y" though.
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Flus has been blitzing a lot more which isn’t what the Cover2 is for. I’d argue he blitzed one too many times last week. Don’t know why we’d blitz a veteran QB on 3rd and 15 when the defense has played well.
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LOL. You are deluding yourself right now. It is a day that ends in "y" though.
We get it, you dislike the Cover2. Find a new meme.
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Blowing 4th quarter lead after 4th quarter lead makes you a trash defensive coach.
Or maybe an inexperienced defense.
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Flus has been blitzing a lot more which isn’t what the Cover2 is for. I’d argue he blitzed one too many times last week. Don’t know why we’d blitz a veteran QB on 3rd and 15 when the defense has played well.
Probably because Sweat was on the sideline and the USFL linemen for the Brown were starting to gel....
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Narrative machine kicking into full gear out of the box today.
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The last time they played a decent QB was the Charger? Not exactly a dynamic offense and they even lit the Bear D up, even if it was pre-Take Big Plays Off Sweat.
They’ve played Jared Goff twice in that span. And they ruined his MVP credentials.
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Bagent beat Brian Hoyer and Bryce Young but we can’t slurp his knob enough for that.
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Narrative machine kicking into full gear out of the box today.
It certainly is. If you got paid for each post you made ridiculously defending Fields and Eberlose you would make far more than the Soviets and the Chinese Commie troll farmers.
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They’ve played Jared Goff twice in that span. And they ruined his MVP credentials.
Goff came back and won the 1st game. And we have seen the reason why McVay was willing to trade Goff.
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Jared Goff:
(https://i.postimg.cc/bN1kYc2w/IMG-6031.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/rKFKgHJB)
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Bagent beat Brian Hoyer and Bryce Young but we can’t slurp his knob enough for that.
Yet Everlose gets credit for the defense in those games....Verge of being Elite. How do you come up with this stuff?
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Jared Goff:
(https://i.postimg.cc/bN1kYc2w/IMG-6031.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/rKFKgHJB)
Quite the Bum Slayer. Especially when playing inside.
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Yet Everlose gets credit for the defense in those games....Verge of being Elite. How do you come up with this stuff?
He gets credit for the way the defense has played the majority of the last two months. Minus a couple of brain farts. I know you think this is a video game where anything short of DOMINATION isn’t acceptable, but you don’t live in the real world.
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Quite the Bum Slayer. Especially when playing inside.
There’s a minimum of 5 teams vying for the playoffs there. Murderer’s row? No. But it’s not like they played Carolina every week.
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He gets credit for the way the defense has played the majority of the last two months. Minus a couple of brain farts. I know you think this is a video game where anything short of DOMINATION isn’t acceptable, but you don’t live in the real world.
That you think you are turning the video game meme against me is cute.
Again, as you have admitted when defending Fields, that stupid fuck Eberlose has blown 4th quarter lead after 4th quarter lead. You have blamed the defense for losses to protect Fields. Now you are actually going to claim the defense is on the verge of being elite?
Now, we all know why you have had the sudden change of heart: if they keep Eberlose another year, the odds the Bear drafting an actual QB (versus the shit they have now at QB1) are lowered. If they overhaul the staff, the odds of picking a QB go up dramatically. You really are not fooling us with this crap.
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There’s a minimum of 5 teams vying for the playoffs there. Murderer’s row? No. But it’s not like they played Carolina every week.
The Bear were "vying" for the playoffs before last weekend. All you need to know.
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That you think the offense and defense have to be dominant 100% of the time is cute. Video game stuff.
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So you just admitted that “video game” is a meme. Got it.
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The Bear were "vying" for the playoffs before last weekend. All you need to know.
And they were one play away from making it happen. Technically, they still are not eliminated. 8% chance. Not good, though.
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Minus two collapses (which you obviously need to fix), the defense has been sensational the last 7-8 games.
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The Cowboys and Eagles are supposed to have elite defenses and get shredded fairly regularly.
You are kidding, right?
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That you think the offense and defense have to be dominant 100% of the time is cute. Video game stuff.
I'll take "competent" in the 4th quarter on both sides of the ball. Have not seen that in the Eberlose Era.
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So you just admitted that “video game” is a meme. Got it.
Yeah, you've turned it into one.
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Minus two collapses (which you obviously need to fix), the defense has been sensational the last 7-8 games.
Did you get hit in the head?
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You are kidding, right?
No?
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Did you get hit in the head?
A couple of times years ago, why?
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Yeah, you've turned it into one.
If it ain’t TOTAL DOMINATION I don’t want it.
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The Ravens have a top 2 defense and gave up 31 to the Rams and 33 to the Browns at home. Gave up 24 to Josh Dobbs and the Cardinals. Not every game will be DOMINATION.
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A couple of times years ago, why?
It is all coming into focus now
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If you draft Williams or Maye, you just about have to bring in a whole new staff. Bringing in a rookie quarterback with a staff that could be fired next year would be repeating mistakes of the past.
Here’s me “advocating” for “My Guy” Matt Eberflus last December.
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Here’s me “advocating” for “My Guy” Matt Eberflus last December.
Way to be W(ay)BTC in December....yikes.