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WTF is up with this Clown World?

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Re: WTF is up with this Clown World?
« Reply #1800 on: May 12, 2022, 12:33:02 PM »
https://fortune.com/2022/05/11/bitcoin-whale-michael-saylor-defuse-fears-over-microstrategy-margin-call/

There may be some very weird very bad days ahead. Bitcoin is finally plummeting. For a while I worried this would cause some systemic risk because you had these hacker dudes who mined a bunch of bitcoin under $100 who now had many millions, then sold the bitcoins to buy real estate and then mortgaged the homes, took the cash from the loan and put it back into bitcoin. So now the housing market is being propped up by gains in a ponzi scheme, but the gains went back into the ponzi scheme via a loan.

Now I'm reading the crazy ass story listed above where this dude decided he wanted to have his company buy a whole shit load of bitcoin. The company wasn't making enough cash to buy the amount of bitcoin he wanted so he took out a 200 million dollar loan to buy a bunch of bitcoin.

If bitcoin crashes, he gets a margin call, can't repay the loan, and a real world company collapses because the CEO used it as a shell to gamble in a ponzi scheme. Not only that, the bank that lent him 200 million is going to have a fun time explaining that to their shareholders.

Then you have things like Ecuador buying up a shit load of bitcoin, so we are talking about the collapse of a medium level country's government.

This is infecting the stock market too. These same bitcoin douches who think that there is a perpetual motion machine driving things up without actual products and growth, that we can just sit around on our couches and "invest" and end up with houses and porsches without anyone actually building the houses and Porsches, took their funny money balance sheets of bitcoin, with the blessing of dumbass brokerages (real ones like Fidelity and scammy ones like Robinhood) and levered up the margin on stock portfolios. This drives up stock prices but when the first balloon pops and people get the margin calls, the house of cards go boom.

Buckle up.

Great post.  It would never occur to me to buy something intangible backed by nothing.  But Bitcoin has provided a real service in showing us how many supposedly smart people really aren't. 

Is it too much to hope for that we'll see Elon selling apples on a street corner? 

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Re: WTF is up with this Clown World?
« Reply #1801 on: May 12, 2022, 01:37:32 PM »
for once I agree with you murph, lol

I read about this a while ago and actually microstrategy borrowed 2 BILLION to buy bitcoin... a boring software company borrowed 2 billion dollars to buy digital non money, the 200 million is just a margin call... lol fucking idiots

I personally know a crypto billionaire and he has let me just say... diversified out of a lot of it into tangible assets (you should see his car collection... holy shit)

Cars are tangible but I would not call them assets. Well, they are an asset, but they are a depreciating asset. Even if you have some weird ass collectors edition Ferrari, once we hit 70% or more of the US fleet being electric, the gas stations start closing and the rest go electric, then what you gonna do with that Ferrari? Well you can drive it around, but the amount of humans willing to buy if from you will plummet.

What is it with these douches and buying a fleet of cars? Call me old school but I'd go for the good old "condo in Kaanapaali"

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Re: WTF is up with this Clown World?
« Reply #1802 on: May 12, 2022, 01:53:28 PM »
Cars are tangible but I would not call them assets. Well, they are an asset, but they are a depreciating asset. Even if you have some weird ass collectors edition Ferrari, once we hit 70% or more of the US fleet being electric, the gas stations start closing and the rest go electric, then what you gonna do with that Ferrari? Well you can drive it around, but the amount of humans willing to buy if from you will plummet.

What is it with these douches and buying a fleet of cars? Call me old school but I'd go for the good old "condo in Kaanapaali"

His cars are far beyond ferrari's, they are the types of cars that only increase in value.  Zero gasoline is pretty far off, and the ultra rich people buying these things will find a way regardless.  He has a bunch of real estate projects he's doing as well so that's not his only thing
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Re: WTF is up with this Clown World?
« Reply #1803 on: May 12, 2022, 02:05:06 PM »
Call me old school but I'd go for the good old "condo in Kaanapaali"

Or a fleet of bicycles…
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Re: WTF is up with this Clown World?
« Reply #1804 on: May 12, 2022, 02:30:18 PM »
Great post.  It would never occur to me to buy something intangible backed by nothing.  But Bitcoin has provided a real service in showing us how many supposedly smart people really aren't. 

Is it too much to hope for that we'll see Elon selling apples on a street corner?

Tesla stock is down 40% but I don't think he'll be begging anytime soon. Company does own "2 Billion of bitcoin", per some youtube I saw yesterday, if that was true it's a lot less than 2B now.

There's a whole cadre of crazy youtuber bitcoin maniacs, they are probably doing great on page views right now but it would be the height of irony for them to bank 300-400k/year from youtube, dump it into bitcoin, bitcoin goes to zero and they lose all their money and their youtube channel evaporates too.

This crazy shit also plays a part in inflation. If borrowed money is being used to buy bitcoin, the sellers of the bitcoin now have real money they can pump into the economy (see Q97's buddy and his cars). Same goes for people borrowing against their bitcoin. I don't see the same correlation from things like COVID relief bills, if people couldn't work and got a check from the government, that injected money is replacing organic money. The bitcoin leverage is just invented money.

But if Bitcoin really tanks that could do wonders for inflation, especially if it takes down the stock market. The amount of "money" that vanishes will be quite impressive.


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Re: WTF is up with this Clown World?
« Reply #1805 on: May 12, 2022, 02:31:10 PM »
His cars are far beyond ferrari's, they are the types of cars that only increase in value. 

That's what they said about bitcoin

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Re: WTF is up with this Clown World?
« Reply #1806 on: May 12, 2022, 02:32:09 PM »
Or a fleet of bicycles…
They run on fat and save you money
Cars run on money and make you fat

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Re: WTF is up with this Clown World?
« Reply #1807 on: May 12, 2022, 03:41:30 PM »
Or a fleet of bicycles…

Electric Police Bikes..."A better way to protect and serve."
https://mikesbikes.com/pages/police-bikes

#DefundGasolinePoweredLawEnforcementVehicles
« Last Edit: May 12, 2022, 03:45:06 PM by alum74 »

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« Reply #1808 on: May 12, 2022, 04:36:09 PM »
They run on fat and save you money
Cars run on money and make you fat

Good point. Can’t really argue with that. Just don’t be one of those douchebag riders that ThePAMan hates 😂
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Re: WTF is up with this Clown World?
« Reply #1809 on: May 12, 2022, 05:39:31 PM »
They run on fat and save you money
Cars run on money and make you fat

Well done, Murph, well done.
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Re: WTF is up with this Clown World?
« Reply #1810 on: May 12, 2022, 05:41:08 PM »
Good point. Can’t really argue with that. Just don’t be one of those douchebag riders that ThePAMan hates 😂

Exactly. Tell the kids to stop at stop signs when riding on the streets. See it every day. One or more of them are going to get crunched. Thankfully there is one more week of school left and I am done with that shit.
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Re: WTF is up with this Clown World?
« Reply #1811 on: May 12, 2022, 05:41:44 PM »
Electric Police Bikes..."A better way to protect and serve."
https://mikesbikes.com/pages/police-bikes

#DefundGasolinePoweredLawEnforcementVehicles

That's well done also, Alum!
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Re: WTF is up with this Clown World?
« Reply #1814 on: May 19, 2022, 06:27:17 PM »
Well ESPN, we already knew all this. NBA doesn’t care about the human rights abuses in China. Yet the preach about human rights. It’s laughable…

 https://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/33938932/nba-owners-mum-china-relationship-more-10-billion-invested-there
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