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Re: Rate yourself politically!
« Reply #45 on: June 14, 2023, 09:06:58 AM »
Quote from: Tempo34 on June 14, 2023, 06:41:41 AM
Lol. Explain how? PAMan is ok with trans people as long as “they know their place.” Tell me how that isn’t discriminatory. I pretty much get it in athletics. But why would he give a shit that they gave a woman’s award to a trans person? They have transitioned to a woman. It’s not an award won in physical competition. You guys should worry less about what’s in someone else’s pants.

Just the typical straw man bullshit and putting words in other peoples’ mouths.

Your universal stance is, “You’re either on my side, or you’re a radical” and there’s no middle ground whatsoever.
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Re: Rate yourself politically!
« Reply #46 on: June 14, 2023, 09:20:14 AM »
I will say, I sincerely doubt any trans person would read PAMan's posts here and think, "wow, what a great ally."  Frankly, the environment among the 'regulars' here is pretty openly hostile to trans people overall.

It's also worth noting that liberals are treated as radicals for simply wanting to leave trans people alone and let them live their lives how they want and I have never seen you object to it in this way, ever.

For a 'both sides suck' guy, you - like PAMan - spend a truly disproportionate amount of time lecturing one side and letting the other say whatever insane shit they want without pushback.
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Re: Rate yourself politically!
« Reply #47 on: June 14, 2023, 09:42:50 AM »
Quote from: spark mandrill on June 14, 2023, 09:20:14 AM
I will say, I sincerely doubt any trans person would read PAMan's posts here and think, "wow, what a great ally."  Frankly, the environment among the 'regulars' here is pretty openly hostile to trans people overall.

It's also worth noting that liberals are treated as radicals for simply wanting to leave trans people alone and let them live their lives how they want and I have never seen you object to it in this way, ever.

For a 'both sides suck' guy, you - like PAMan - spend a truly disproportionate amount of time lecturing one side and letting the other say whatever insane shit they want without pushback.

“Wanting to leave them alone?!” They’re trying to shove it down anybody and everybody’s throat. Gtfooh with that bullshit. Hell they’re even using tax payers’ money through Medicaid to pay for their transitions and shit. I don’t give a fuck what sex you wanna be, but I don’t have to support it with my money. You wanna transition, pay for it like everybody else does that needs medical care. Same for abortions. Don’t like it, fuck off.
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Re: Rate yourself politically!
« Reply #48 on: June 14, 2023, 09:48:33 AM »
Shoving it down your throat?  They're trying to use the fucking bathroom and you're telling them you will assault them if they do.  Who's shoving it down who's throat?  If it was you and someone told you, "if you enter that restroom I will cut your dick off", would you agree that you were shoving your existence down their throat by minding your business and taking a piss?  It's insanity.

You're so terrified of these people that you interpret their literal existence as an affront being shoved down your throat.  That is YOUR problem, not the people simply trying to live their lives.

Do you think white heteronormative shit has been "shoved down your throat" your whole life?  It's FAR, FAR more pervasive than any trans issue.  Far more.

Do you not understand that literally every civil rights fight ever - womens rights, African American rights, gay rights; things we take for granted now - had opponents saying the exact same things you are right now?  I'd think that'd make you step back and take a thought about the disdain history is going to have for the folks making the arguments you do, as it has in every other situation where anti-women's rights, anti-black, anti-gay people made the exact same arguments.
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Re: Rate yourself politically!
« Reply #49 on: June 14, 2023, 09:53:50 AM »
Quote from: spark mandrill on June 14, 2023, 09:48:33 AM
Shoving it down your throat?  They're trying to use the fucking bathroom and you're telling them you will assault them if they do.  Who's shoving it down who's throat?  If it was you and someone told you, "if you enter that restroom I will cut your dick off", would you agree that you were shoving your existence down their throat?  It's insanity.

You're so terrified of these people that you interpret their literal existence as an affront being shoved down your throat.  That is YOUR problem, not the people simply trying to live their lives.

Do you think white heteronormative shit has been "shoved down your throat" your whole life?  It's FAR, FAR more pervasive than any trans issue.  Far more.

Do you not understand that literally every civil rights fight ever - womens rights, African American rights, gay rights; things we take for granted now - had opponents saying the exact same things you are right now?  I'd think that'd make you step back and take a thought about the disdain history is going to have for the folks making the arguments you do, as it has in every other situation where anti-women's rights, anti-black, anti-gay people made the exact same arguments.

Everything was just fine with them using the bathroom they were using before. Like why is this a fucking issue now all the sudden?! It’s ridiculous and there are much bigger issues than this bullshit. They’re the ones making a big issue about using a fucking restroom. If it doesn’t matter which one they use like you say, then what’s the big deal for them…
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« Reply #50 on: June 14, 2023, 09:58:09 AM »
Yes, everything was literally fine with them using the bathroom before.  No, they are NOT the people making a big deal out of the restroom.  That would be the people making laws literally making it illegal for them to use the restroom they feel comfortable in.  If those laws weren't being introduced and passed all over the country by transphobes riled up by bad faith right wing outrage media, this wouldn't even be a discussion at all.

What happened was that conservatives who are transphobic made it a wedge issue and got low-information voters all up in arms about the existence of trans people, which leads to the very historically common "I don't care if trans people exist I just wish they wouldn't do it in front of me" arguments like the one you're making here.

They riled up their base, who they know won't think about this very deeply but instead will simply lash out in the direction they're pointing.  That's why this is an issue now.

If they really didn't care about trans people existing, no one would be saying things like "if that trans woman goes to the bathroom with my daughter I will assault her", because reasonable people don't assault others for simply minding their business and using the restroom.  However, the right wing outrage machine has successfully scared their base into thinking trans people using the restroom they identify with is being "shoved down their throat".  They were just fine using the restroom they felt comfortable in until bigots decided, despite the lack of evidence, that it was dangerous and needed to be illegal.
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Re: Rate yourself politically!
« Reply #51 on: June 14, 2023, 10:03:10 AM »
Quote from: spark mandrill on June 14, 2023, 09:58:09 AM
Yes, everything was literally fine with them using the bathroom before.  No, they are NOT the people making a big deal out of the restroom.  That would be the people making laws literally making it illegal for them to use the restroom they feel comfortable in.  If those laws weren't being introduced and passed all over the country by transphobes riled up by bad faith right wing outrage media, this wouldn't even be a discussion at all.

What happened was that conservatives who are transphobic made it a wedge issue and got low-information voters all up in arms about the existence of trans people, which leads to the very historically common "I don't care if trans people exist I just wish they wouldn't do it in front of me" arguments like the one you're making here.

They riled up their base, who they know won't think about this very deeply but instead will simply lash out in the direction they're pointing.  That's why this is an issue now.

If they really didn't care about trans people existing, no one would be saying things like "if that trans woman goes to the bathroom with my daughter I will assault her", because reasonable people don't assault others for simply minding their business and using the restroom.  However, the right wing outrage machine has successfully scared their base into thinking trans people using the restroom they identify with is being "shoved down their throat".  They were just fine using the restroom they felt comfortable in until bigots decided, despite the lack of evidence, that it was dangerous and needed to be illegal.

Ok, fair enough.
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Re: Rate yourself politically!
« Reply #52 on: June 14, 2023, 10:03:37 AM »
"I don't mind black people I just wish they wouldn't shove their civil rights fight down my throat all the time."

"I don't mind women wanting to vote I just wish they'd stop bringing it up all the time."

"I don't mind gay people getting married I just wish they'd shut up and stop arguing about it."

All real arguments that were commonly made.  Your argument will look just like these historically.
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« Reply #53 on: June 14, 2023, 10:31:12 AM »
Quote from: Judge Judy on June 14, 2023, 09:42:50 AM
“Wanting to leave them alone?!” They’re trying to shove it down anybody and everybody’s throat. Gtfooh with that bullshit. Hell they’re even using tax payers’ money through Medicaid to pay for their transitions and shit. I don’t give a fuck what sex you wanna be, but I don’t have to support it with my money. You wanna transition, pay for it like everybody else does that needs medical care. Same for abortions. Don’t like it, fuck off.

Then get the fuck off my roads. I don't approve of your views, so I don't want you driving on the roads paid for with my tax dollars.
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« Reply #54 on: June 14, 2023, 10:44:50 AM »
Few things annoy me more than the "it's taxpayers money" so I get to decide how the money is spent.

Doctors, not right wing congress critters, should make that call.

They should spend time and energy in investigating Medicare and Medicaid fraud instead of making other people's medical decisions.
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« Reply #55 on: June 14, 2023, 11:06:17 AM »
Quote from: Mn on June 14, 2023, 07:28:19 AM
Who'da thunk Tempo would agree with banning LGBTQ+ people.

Are you referring to biological men competing against women in sports? Because that’s the only place I’d entertain the idea. But yeah, weird post. Congrats.
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« Reply #56 on: June 14, 2023, 11:11:44 AM »
Quote from: Tempo34 on June 14, 2023, 11:06:17 AM
Are you referring to biological men competing against women in sports? Because that’s the only place I’d entertain the idea. But yeah, weird post. Congrats.
I'm referring to the post directly above mine where you commented on focusing on the gay female banning transgenders for their unacceptable behavior at the White House.
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« Reply #57 on: June 14, 2023, 11:13:22 AM »
Quote from: Custard on June 14, 2023, 09:06:58 AM
Just the typical straw man bullshit and putting words in other peoples’ mouths.

Your universal stance is, “You’re either on my side, or you’re a radical” and there’s no middle ground whatsoever.

Bigger strawmen are created here every day (and yes, some of them are mine). But he’s basically saying “You can be trans, but I don’t accept you, and don’t recognize you.”

The sports thing, fine. I get it. That puts biological women at a disadvantage. There’s no reason for someone to flip their lid over a trans person receiving a female award if it’s a non-athletic award. Particularly when multiple people are receiving the award. That’s just being anti-trans, no other way to cut it.
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« Reply #58 on: June 14, 2023, 11:14:44 AM »
Quote from: spark mandrill on June 14, 2023, 09:20:14 AM
I will say, I sincerely doubt any trans person would read PAMan's posts here and think, "wow, what a great ally."  Frankly, the environment among the 'regulars' here is pretty openly hostile to trans people overall.

It's also worth noting that liberals are treated as radicals for simply wanting to leave trans people alone and let them live their lives how they want and I have never seen you object to it in this way, ever.

For a 'both sides suck' guy, you - like PAMan - spend a truly disproportionate amount of time lecturing one side and letting the other say whatever insane shit they want without pushback.

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Re: Rate yourself politically!
« Reply #59 on: June 14, 2023, 11:15:51 AM »
Quote from: Tempo34 on June 14, 2023, 06:41:41 AM
Lol. Explain how? PAMan is ok with trans people as long as “they know their place.” Tell me how that isn’t discriminatory. I pretty much get it in athletics. But why would he give a shit that they gave a woman’s award to a trans person? They have transitioned to a woman. It’s not an award won in physical competition. You guys should worry less about what’s in someone else’s pants.

Great use of straw. You are the master.
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