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spark mandrill

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Re: NBA combine
« Reply #15 on: May 18, 2023, 11:30:03 AM »
I don’t know what the staff was thinking on Podz. They had to see something in practice, right?! Like he has the confidence and swag of an NBA player. Very Tyler Herro ish. Yeah it was at a mid-major school, but it’s obvious he can do that against bigger competition. I don’t think he was allowed the freedom to play the way he wanted and was confined at Illinois. I really believe that.

Well when he played he was terrible.  Shot badly, couldn't guard a stationary guy, etc.

Maybe he was way better at practice but based on what he actually showed on the court at Illinois, he was not ready at all.

Which is okay, I still wished he'd have stayed but totally understood him moving down a level.  It's not like Brad Underwood's the only guy who missed here, anybody could've had him when he left but he ended up at a second-tier WCC team.  That's not a coincidence.

He's not going to be the last guy who transfers and turns out good.  That's also obviously much more rare than somebody transferring and turning out worse than we thought - there are way more examples of that, but I don't see many people lauding Underwood for Adam Miller deciding to leave.
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Re: NBA combine
« Reply #16 on: May 18, 2023, 11:30:38 AM »
Hard to say. Underwood had a hard on for Goode and TJ. The story was question if Podz could guard yet.
His shot form looked good in limited time.

It was a fuck up to let him go. You can always use guys who can shoot and he was obviously a big scorer in HS.

A kid choosing to leave isn't the coach's fuck up, that's silly.  He wasn't creaned.

Do you give Brad a lot of credit for 'letting' Adam Miller go?

It's kind of a losing proposition.  Podz showed nothing indicating he was ready to be a good player.  We could've played him more, sure, but it seems pretty likely to have cost us the conference title, which we won that year on literally the final play of the season.  And there isn't really a correlation between playing time and likelihood of transferring - teams are losing guys no matter how much they play.  So playing him and potentially costing us a banner was by no means a guarantee he'd have stayed in any case.

I'll personally take the conference title over MAYBE one year of good Podz.
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spark mandrill

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Re: NBA combine
« Reply #17 on: May 18, 2023, 11:31:33 AM »
There were actually good reasons he played a lot more than Podz, but whatever.

Of course, but look at it from the perspective who's absurdly basketball stupid.

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Re: NBA combine
« Reply #18 on: May 18, 2023, 01:30:44 PM »
Podz dominated in high school against extremely weak competition. He was like a grown man playing against little kids.

It is not a huge shock he had trouble adjusting to a very high level of division 1 college ball, especially defensively.

His athletic numbers are surprisingly good. 39 inch vertical and a fast 3/4 sprint. His lane agility time was meh, but not terrible.

OTOH, his physical measurements are just average, okay, but not overly impressive.

He is also a highly skilled basketball player, so it is not surprising he excelled at Santa Clara. He would eventually have done well at Illinois. I just don't think anyone expected him to do this well this soon.
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Re: NBA combine
« Reply #19 on: May 18, 2023, 02:01:40 PM »
Well when he played he was terrible.  Shot badly, couldn't guard a stationary guy, etc.

Maybe he was way better at practice but based on what he actually showed on the court at Illinois, he was not ready at all.

Which is okay, I still wished he'd have stayed but totally understood him moving down a level.  It's not like Brad Underwood's the only guy who missed here, anybody could've had him when he left but he ended up at a second-tier WCC team.  That's not a coincidence.

He's not going to be the last guy who transfers and turns out good.  That's also obviously much more rare than somebody transferring and turning out worse than we thought - there are way more examples of that, but I don't see many people lauding Underwood for Adam Miller deciding to leave.

5 minutes a game in garbage time is way too small of amount to conclude anything.  And the one game he did get real time, he won the game vs NW late.

How can you even comment on defense?  Luke Goode is slow as molasses.  He got to play more than Podz.

And again when you have a guy that does nothing on the court like Damonte get 28 mpg, and a 1st round NBA pick gets 5 mpg…that’s purely coaching.

Podz didn’t magically turn into a 5 minute a game player to an NBA pick in a year.  He was that guy all along.

Adam Miller tore his ACL.  It’s not like Illinois replaced him with someone better.  They didn’t.
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Re: NBA combine
« Reply #20 on: May 18, 2023, 02:07:52 PM »
Yeah I’ll agree with Dom on this subject. Let the criticism rain…!!!!
Because FOX News told me so…

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Re: NBA combine
« Reply #21 on: May 18, 2023, 02:14:12 PM »
A kid choosing to leave isn't the coach's fuck up, that's silly.  He wasn't creaned.

Do you give Brad a lot of credit for 'letting' Adam Miller go?

It's kind of a losing proposition.  Podz showed nothing indicating he was ready to be a good player.  We could've played him more, sure, but it seems pretty likely to have cost us the conference title, which we won that year on literally the final play of the season.  And there isn't really a correlation between playing time and likelihood of transferring - teams are losing guys no matter how much they play.  So playing him and potentially costing us a banner was by no means a guarantee he'd have stayed in any case.

I'll personally take the conference title over MAYBE one year of good Podz.

Kofi won that title you fucking retard.

Are you seriously arguing that playing a 1st round NBA draft pick ahead of Damonte Williams would have cost Illinois games?  Seriously?

Dude is going to be in the NBA.  Literally a year after playing 5 minutes a game at Illinois.

And you still claiming playing Damonte was a better benefit to the team than playing a freaking NBA pick? 

Do you realize how many bad defensive players got playing time on that team?  Plummer was atrocious.  He still played.  Didn’t cost them a title.  Yet, Podz over Damonte would have?  Seriously?  What basketball skill does Damonte Williams do better that Podz?

Podz lead the fucking WCC in rebounding this year.  As a 6’5 guard.  And you don’t think he can defend?

Get the fuck out. I don’t want you to leave May 31.  Leave now.  You’re too stupid to post here. You are a modern day Baghdad Bob

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Re: NBA combine
« Reply #22 on: May 18, 2023, 02:18:17 PM »
Yeah I’ll agree with Dom on this subject. Let the criticism rain…!!!!

This is why I had to get rid of Sparky.  Too stupid to be here.

This guy would literally defend anything Underwood does, including watching a guy that went from sitting on his bench to a 1st round NBA pick in one season.


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Re: NBA combine
« Reply #23 on: May 18, 2023, 04:01:30 PM »
Kendall Gill played 8 mpg as a freshman, and he was good defensively.

Basketball players improve between their freshman and sophomore years, sometimes dramatically.

Podz was completely lost in practice as a freshman. Da'monte Williams knew where everyone was supposed to be on both ends of the court and understood the scouting reports.

Suggesting freshman Podz should have played over 5th year Williams is nonsense.

Again, Podz had played at a very low level of high school ball.  Wisconsin didn't even recruit him.
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Re: NBA combine
« Reply #24 on: May 18, 2023, 05:20:55 PM »
He had multiple high D1 offers including Kansas, Kansas State, Marquette, ASU, and Kentucky.
Let's not act like he was fucking Jimmy Chitwood who had only played pickup games in his jeans out by the barn and nobody wanted him or saw any potential.

Staff fucked up not so much his freshmen year, but by not having a plan to use him Soph year.
We had several guys we played all year who couldn't shoot at all.


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Re: NBA combine
« Reply #25 on: May 18, 2023, 07:40:29 PM »
Kendall Gill played 8 mpg as a freshman, and he was good defensively.

Basketball players improve between their freshman and sophomore years, sometimes dramatically.

Podz was completely lost in practice as a freshman. Da'monte Williams knew where everyone was supposed to be on both ends of the court and understood the scouting reports.

Suggesting freshman Podz should have played over 5th year Williams is nonsense.

Again, Podz had played at as very low level of high school ball.  Wisconsin didn't even recruit him.

Kentucky offered him.

Yes talented freshman play over 5th year guys unless they come to Illinois.  Which is why Underwood won’t be able to recruit freshman very much anymore.  They know they’ll be recruited over by Mr Get Old Stay Old.

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Re: NBA combine
« Reply #26 on: May 18, 2023, 08:33:45 PM »
There are offers and offers. Illinois offered Pence from St. Joe. UK and KU apparently made "I am interested" offers.

I wish Podz had stayed. With Goode's injury etc, he'd have played. He made the decision to transfer.
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Re: NBA combine
« Reply #27 on: May 18, 2023, 10:22:45 PM »
He had multiple high D1 offers including Kansas, Kansas State, Marquette, ASU, and Kentucky.
Let's not act like he was fucking Jimmy Chitwood who had only played pickup games in his jeans out by the barn and nobody wanted him or saw any potential.

Staff fucked up not so much his freshmen year, but by not having a plan to use him Soph year.
We had several guys we played all year who couldn't shoot at all.

How would we know what the staff had planned for him?

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« Reply #28 on: May 19, 2023, 12:43:29 AM »
How would we know what the staff had planned for him?

It obviously was not enough to keep him engaged.
He was not used enough his freshmen year. No, he did not deserve to start, but he got very little tick and the others were not exactly tearing it up in second half of year.

He clearly saw himself behind RJ and Underwood's new adopted son Goode.
Both showed some potential but both were a bust this past year.
Obviously if both had blown up like staff had hoped nobody would care too much about Podz.

Bringing in for four combo/wing guys I am sure also played into him leaving.

He wanted a major role now. Maybe they was nothing they could have done.
The basic point here is that staff missed on evaluation of him. He believed in himself and clearly when given a shot he excelled.
He is going to be in the NBA. That didn't happen by coaching at SC.





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Re: NBA combine
« Reply #29 on: May 19, 2023, 07:55:44 AM »
It obviously was not enough to keep him engaged.
He was not used enough his freshmen year. No, he did not deserve to start, but he got very little tick and the others were not exactly tearing it up in second half of year.

He clearly saw himself behind RJ and Underwood's new adopted son Goode.
Both showed some potential but both were a bust this past year.
Obviously if both had blown up like staff had hoped nobody would care too much about Podz.

Bringing in for four combo/wing guys I am sure also played into him leaving.

He wanted a major role now. Maybe they was nothing they could have done.
The basic point here is that staff missed on evaluation of him. He believed in himself and clearly when given a shot he excelled.
He is going to be in the NBA. That didn't happen by coaching at SC.

We have no idea - your entire point is based on assumptions without any evidence supporting them.

He chose to leave.  He was not creaned, he made a decision for himself and his family and it turned out to be a good one.  We have no idea why and speculation - especially speculation from people who already dislike our coach about how he might’ve mishandled Podz - doesn’t do anybody any good.  We could’ve played him more, sure, at the risk of the conference title we won and with zero guarantee whatsoever it makes him stay.  I think that would’ve been an obvious dereliction of duty from our coach, though, whose job is to win basketball games.  There are going to be more guys like him, who have talent but aren't quite ready, and playing them at the risk of losing games in the hope that MAYBE they'll stay, even though playing time hasn't at all determined who transfers, is contrary to what the head coach's job is.

Like just think about what happened this year - we started a freshman PG who played much better than Podziemski did in his time here.  He was outplayed by another freshman who earned the starting job, causing the first kid to transfer.  Then the kid who we put in the starting lineup transferred too.  It just doesn't matter how much you play a kid - just look at the top of the portal rankings for more evidence of that.

Other guys weren’t tearing it up?  We won the fuckin’ league on the final play of the season, which we got to by winning 4 of our last 5 (two against ranked teams, two on the road).  THAT is the cost of playing a dude who was very clearly not ready.  The only conference title we've won since Deron Williams was on campus.

It makes sense that he saw himself behind those guys - he was worse than those guys here.

Why do you suspect the best offer he got as a transfer was Santa Clara?  Is it Underwood’s fault? Seems to me like a kid who made a decision to play at a lower level of competition and thrived there, earning a look at the pro level.  I don’t see a negative there unless I’m really determined to find one.
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