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Re: Other NFL teams/games 2023
« Reply #225 on: September 19, 2023, 03:35:15 PM »
Quote from: ThePAMan on September 19, 2023, 03:32:12 PM

I obviously could be wrong.

I’d bet on it. Unless you’re in imminent harm, violence is not excusable over sports.
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Re: Other NFL teams/games 2023
« Reply #226 on: September 19, 2023, 03:36:50 PM »
Quote from: Tempo34 on September 19, 2023, 03:35:15 PM
I’d bet on it. Unless you’re in imminent harm, violence is not excusable over sports.

Well, unless Patriot fan is already punching you in the face because he is pissed at how his team is playing....
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Re: Other NFL teams/games 2023
« Reply #227 on: September 19, 2023, 03:38:14 PM »
Quote from: ThePAMan on September 19, 2023, 03:36:50 PM
Well, unless Patriot fan is already punching you in the face because he is pissed at how his team is playing....

Did you see any reports saying the Patriots fan acted violently first? I have not. And I wouldn’t assume so unless I had.
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« Reply #228 on: September 19, 2023, 03:39:30 PM »
If it was self-defense, that’s one thing. I haven’t seen anything as of yet that indicates self-defense was the motive.
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« Reply #229 on: September 19, 2023, 03:40:57 PM »
Just saw he was “punched in the side of the head,” which means he was probably sucker punched.
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« Reply #230 on: September 19, 2023, 03:48:06 PM »
Quote from: Tempo34 on September 19, 2023, 03:35:15 PM
I’d bet on it. Unless you’re in imminent harm, violence is not excusable over sports.

https://www.si.com/nfl/patriots/news/new-england-patriots-miami-dolphins-fan-death-gillette-stadium-video-fight-update

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Though details have yet to be confirmed by authorities, witnesses have alleged that a verbal argument in the 300-section of Gillette Stadium turned into a physical altercation during the fourth quarter.

“By the fourth quarter it had just kind of come to blows,” witness Joe Kilmartin told WBZ. “Then you saw a Dolphins fan deliver two punches to the victim, he was wearing a Dolphins jersey, and the victim just kind of slumped over at that point in his seat.”

https://www.miaminewtimes.com/news/patriots-fan-dies-after-brawl-with-dolphins-fans-at-gillette-stadium-17865981

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ABC affiliate WCVB in Boston interviewed a man who said he witnessed a violent confrontation between Dolphins and Patriots fans during the fourth quarter of the game. The witness, Joseph Kilmartin said he saw Mooney, a Pats fan, approach a group of Dolphins fans in the 300 section of Gillette Stadium's upper deck, and that a fight broke out.

"They started tussling around for a few minutes," Kilmartin said. "At one point, another Dolphins fan walked over. He punched him three times, and the man just went out. It was pretty hard to watch."

NBC10 Boston reported that its reporters spoke with multiple witnesses, one of whom said the "victim got punched really hard on the side of the head and went down."

"He's a bigger guy but he just crumbled," the man said.


https://nypost.com/2023/09/19/fan-who-died-after-nfl-game-in-mass-had-reportedly-been-punched/

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The footage shows Mooney approaching the other fans on the 300 level of the stadium.

“He basically grabbed another fan,” Kilmartin told WCVB. “They started tussling around for a few minutes. At one point, another fan walked over. He punched him … and the man just went out. It was pretty hard to watch.”

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Lisa said her husband — a father of two and season ticket holder for 30 years — went to the game with three friends who told her they were taunted by other fans.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/new-england-patriots/article-12535575/Patriots-fan-taunted-beaten-death-Miami-Dolphins.html

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Mooney's widow alleges he was punched to death after being taunted by Dolphins fans. Another eyewitness claimed Mooney and the Dolphins fan had been arguing for much of the game.

https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/patriots-fan-who-died-after-medical-event-at-gillette-stadium-was-punched-by-dolphins-fan-witness-says/

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On Monday, a fan came forward and stated he witnessed Mooney and several fans get into a fight during the game.

"It was unsettling for sure," Joe Kilmartin, a fan who witnessed the confrontation, told WCVB Channel 5 Boston. "He basically just grabbed another fan and they started tussling around for a few minutes. At one point, another Dolphins fan walked over punched him and the man just went out. It was pretty hard to watch."

Currently, there haven't been any charges filed related to the incident.


Possibility seems to exist that Patriot fan, who was being taunted AT THE PATRIOTS game by Dolphin fans, starts fight and lost?
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Re: Other NFL teams/games 2023
« Reply #231 on: September 19, 2023, 03:50:17 PM »
You are a bizarre dude. I’ve seen nothing that indicates the Patriots fan initiated any violence.
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« Reply #232 on: September 19, 2023, 03:54:00 PM »
Quote from: Tempo34 on September 19, 2023, 03:50:17 PM
You are a bizarre dude. I’ve seen nothing that indicates the Patriots fan initiated any violence.

You do not think this is pertinent?

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ABC affiliate WCVB in Boston interviewed a man who said he witnessed a violent confrontation between Dolphins and Patriots fans during the fourth quarter of the game. The witness, Joseph Kilmartin said he saw Mooney, a Pats fan, approach a group of Dolphins fans in the 300 section of Gillette Stadium's upper deck, and that a fight broke out.

"They started tussling around for a few minutes," Kilmartin said. "At one point, another Dolphins fan walked over. He punched him three times, and the man just went out. It was pretty hard to watch."

Again, if Dolphin fans are the instigators, you do not believe the other Patriot fans at a HOME game would jump in to beat their asses?

I do not know what happened. I am not laying blame like you are at this point. Just saying there is another possibility based on the reporting so far.
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« Reply #233 on: September 19, 2023, 03:56:15 PM »
You “don’t know what happened.” But you assume there’s a good chance the Patriots fan deserved what happened.
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« Reply #234 on: September 19, 2023, 03:57:15 PM »
The only proper answer is physical violence at sporting events is never ok. Unless you are in actual danger. Which in this case, they hasn’t been reported.
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« Reply #235 on: September 19, 2023, 03:59:47 PM »
Quote from: Tempo34 on September 19, 2023, 03:56:15 PM
But you assume there’s a good chance the Patriots fan deserved what happened.

No. I am saying, based on the reporting so far, that maybe there is more to the story, as I do not think your version of what occurred necessarily makes sense.

That being said, I may be wrong. But it wouldn't surprise me that I am right that there is more to the story here.
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« Reply #236 on: September 19, 2023, 04:00:40 PM »
Quote from: Tempo34 on September 19, 2023, 03:57:15 PM
The only proper answer is physical violence at sporting events is never ok. Unless you are in actual danger. Which in this case, they hasn’t been reported.

The report was there was tussling after Patriot fan confronted a group of Dolphin fans.
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« Reply #237 on: September 19, 2023, 04:03:23 PM »
Personally, I am a lover, not a fighter.
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« Reply #238 on: September 19, 2023, 04:11:03 PM »
Quote from: ThePAMan on September 19, 2023, 03:59:47 PM
No. I am saying, based on the reporting so far, that maybe there is more to the story, as I do not think your version of what occurred necessarily makes sense.

That being said, I may be wrong. But it wouldn't surprise me that I am right that there is more to the story here.

But before you’ve heard anything that indicates he deserved it, you jump to the conclusion he may have deserved it.
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« Reply #239 on: September 19, 2023, 04:15:23 PM »
Quote from: Tempo34 on September 19, 2023, 04:11:03 PM
But before you’ve heard anything that indicates he deserved it, you jump to the conclusion he may have deserved it.

To the contrary. I have been merely suggesting that maybe you should keep an open mind until all the facts are gathered. I have not formed an opinion. I am curious how this all went down given crowd dynamics.

As I have said, I may be wrong, but I would not be shocked if I was not wrong.
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