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2023 2.0 Portal Thread

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Re: 2023 2.0 Portal Thread
« Reply #315 on: May 03, 2023, 10:54:18 AM »
Quote from: FaninCa on May 03, 2023, 03:32:48 AM
Only one who knows anything now is Squeaky.

The only thing that moron knows is which tennis moms don't watch their pre-pubescent daughters' Facebook Messengers very closely.
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Re: 2023 2.0 Portal Thread
« Reply #316 on: May 03, 2023, 11:04:05 AM »
Quote from: spark mandrill on May 03, 2023, 10:54:18 AM
The only thing that moron knows is which tennis moms don't watch their pre-pubescent daughters' Facebook Messengers very closely.

He's a ball boy now?
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Re: 2023 2.0 Portal Thread
« Reply #317 on: May 03, 2023, 12:40:41 PM »
Quote from: FaninCa on May 03, 2023, 03:32:48 AM
Only one who knows anything now is Squeaky.

ILLINICHIEF is the alternative universe NIT Squeaky.
If we have 13 wins in league we will have 20+ wins easily overall going into BTT and NCAA's.


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Re: 2023 2.0 Portal Thread
« Reply #318 on: May 03, 2023, 12:47:19 PM »
Grant Nelson from NDSU and Coleman Hawkins are basically the same player. Hawkins is projected mid to late 2nd round, and Nelson currently isn't projected, although there is smoke there.....

Hawkins needs to return if for no other reason 2024 allows him a much better draft position.
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Re: 2023 2.0 Portal Thread
« Reply #319 on: May 03, 2023, 12:49:37 PM »
Quote from: Lkdog on May 03, 2023, 12:40:41 PM
ILLINICHIEF is the alternative universe NIT Squeaky.
If we have 13 wins in league we will have 20+ wins easily overall going into BTT and NCAA's.

Can't get anything by you can we?  ;D

I will stick with my predictions...we will have a veteran team, we will have established bench players, and we will have a tougher schedule vs an overall more even conference, talent wise.
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Re: 2023 2.0 Portal Thread
« Reply #320 on: May 03, 2023, 01:09:55 PM »
Quote from: ILLINICHIEF on May 03, 2023, 12:49:37 PM
Can't get anything by you can we?  ;D

I will stick with my predictions...we will have a veteran team, we will have established bench players, and we will have a tougher schedule vs an overall more even conference, talent wise.

Don't let them bully you, Chief!
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Re: 2023 2.0 Portal Thread
« Reply #321 on: May 03, 2023, 01:15:45 PM »
Subtract:

Shannon
Mayer
Hawkins
Epps
Melendez

Add:
Dennis
Domask
Guerrier
Harmon

It’s still a significantly worse team than last year with a much tougher schedule. 

It’s like people have amnesia about how shitty the team was last year.  Take the best guys off it, add some mediocre 1 year grad transfers, and it’s still shit. Older shit.  Low upside shit.  Meaningless shit as nothing is built for the future.

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Re: 2023 2.0 Portal Thread
« Reply #322 on: May 03, 2023, 01:31:02 PM »
Quote from: Dominic on May 03, 2023, 01:15:45 PM
Subtract:

Shannon
Mayer
Hawkins
Epps
Melendez

Add:
Dennis
Domask
Guerrier
Harmon

It’s still a significantly worse team than last year with a much tougher schedule. 

It’s like people have amnesia about how shitty the team was last year.  Take the best guys off it, add some mediocre 1 year grad transfers, and it’s still shit. Older shit.  Low upside shit.  Meaningless shit as nothing is built for the future.

Speaking of meaningless human shit
NIT Squeaky right on cue.

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Re: 2023 2.0 Portal Thread
« Reply #323 on: May 03, 2023, 01:57:45 PM »
Quote from: ILLINICHIEF on May 03, 2023, 12:47:19 PM
Grant Nelson from NDSU and Coleman Hawkins are basically the same player. Hawkins is projected mid to late 2nd round, and Nelson currently isn't projected, although there is smoke there.....

Hawkins needs to return if for no other reason 2024 allows him a much better draft position.

A year from now Hawkins will be 22, turning 23 in his first NBA season.  He's probably less likely to be drafted then if for no other reason than the NBA is often not interested in dudes who are still projects at that age.
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Re: 2023 2.0 Portal Thread
« Reply #324 on: May 03, 2023, 02:27:03 PM »
Quote from: spark mandrill on May 03, 2023, 01:57:45 PM
A year from now Hawkins will be 22, turning 23 in his first NBA season.  He's probably less likely to be drafted then if for no other reason than the NBA is often not interested in dudes who are still projects at that age.

Agree. It's always better to go out early. He certainly has some flashes of athletic talent and ability, but there are a lot of guys like him in the NBA already, and guys coming in every year from here and Europe that want a spot as a stretch 4/ bigger wing.
Unless there is some unforeseen dramatic improvement in his shooting and ability to get his own shot, I don't see him ever doing much at next level.
He does everything OK, and has obvious length, but does nothing really well.
He couldn't guard a TJD, or a Pickett in college. Those guys are a dime a dozen at next level.

The NBA is a grown man's league.

I think TSJ has a little higher upside, but also needs major improvements in perimeter shot, ballhandling, and on ball D.

Neither project as more than bench guys at best at this point. But I am not a GM and maybe they surprise in workouts.

Whether either comes back isn't going to change that.
They both can make more in NIL than the G league.
Can still go to Europe anytime.
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Re: 2023 2.0 Portal Thread
« Reply #325 on: May 03, 2023, 02:50:26 PM »
Quote from: Lkdog on May 03, 2023, 02:27:03 PM
Agree. It's always better to go out early. He certainly has some flashes of athletic talent and ability, but there are a lot of guys like him in the NBA already, and guys coming in every year from here and Europe that want a spot as a stretch 4/ bigger wing.
Unless there is some unforeseen dramatic improvement in his shooting and ability to get his own shot, I don't see him ever doing much at next level.
He does everything OK, and has obvious length, but does nothing really well.
He couldn't guard a TJD, or a Pickett in college. Those guys are a dime a dozen at next level.

The NBA is a grown man's league.

I think TSJ has a little higher upside, but also needs major improvements in perimeter shot, ballhandling, and on ball D.

Neither project as more than bench guys at best at this point. But I am not a GM and maybe they surprise in workouts.

Whether either comes back isn't going to change that.
They both can make more in NIL than the G league.
Can still go to Europe anytime.

Agreed.

Maturity on the court is a big issue as well. The NBA isn’t gonna fuck around with immaturity issues.
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Re: 2023 2.0 Portal Thread
« Reply #326 on: May 03, 2023, 02:58:54 PM »
Quote from: Lkdog on May 03, 2023, 02:27:03 PM
Agree. It's always better to go out early. He certainly has some flashes of athletic talent and ability, but there are a lot of guys like him in the NBA already, and guys coming in every year from here and Europe that want a spot as a stretch 4/ bigger wing.
Unless there is some unforeseen dramatic improvement in his shooting and ability to get his own shot, I don't see him ever doing much at next level.
He does everything OK, and has obvious length, but does nothing really well.
He couldn't guard a TJD, or a Pickett in college. Those guys are a dime a dozen at next level.

The NBA is a grown man's league.

I think TSJ has a little higher upside, but also needs major improvements in perimeter shot, ballhandling, and on ball D.

Neither project as more than bench guys at best at this point. But I am not a GM and maybe they surprise in workouts.

Whether either comes back isn't going to change that.
They both can make more in NIL than the G league.
Can still go to Europe anytime.

I have basically inverse thoughts on the two players.

The guy who's a dime a dozen in the league is Shannon.  He's a streaky but not great shooter, a bull going into the paint, good athleticism.  Those guys are a dime a dozen in the league, and I suspect that's why the rumor has been that Shannon is likely to come back.

Guys like Hawkins who can initiate an offense at 6'10" and guard 3 positions are less common, but Hawkins just isn't consistent enough right now.  I don't think the 'type' of player he is is common in the NBA really, but I'm also not sure he's good enough at that style to really make a mark at the next level.

You're probably right about the G League and NIL, but NIL is totally opaque - nobody knows how much anybody's really making.
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Re: 2023 2.0 Portal Thread
« Reply #327 on: May 03, 2023, 03:01:26 PM »
Bottom line though, whether they're truly 'ready' or not - which gets mentioned a lot by fans - isn't really that important, I don't blame any kid for jumping when the opportunity is there to jump.  It's not a chance most people ever get, even if you're a "maybe will be a second round pick" type.
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« Reply #328 on: May 03, 2023, 03:53:12 PM »
Agree that they all think they will be the second rounder or G league guy that will become the exception and become a rotation guy.
Some make it. And then it is hard to stay there.

I really don't see Hawkins being able to guard anyone at next level other than a stretch 4.
He needs to get a jumpshot and learn how to create his own.
His passing and ball handling are sort of unique, but nothing great.
And yes, he is pretty immature still.

I am not a big fan. He was a inconsistent in too many games and couldn't shoot worth a fuck.
If he returns he needs to make a big jump in consistency.

If someone says they will take him and give him a 2 way, he should go.
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Re: 2023 2.0 Portal Thread
« Reply #329 on: May 03, 2023, 04:38:34 PM »
Quote from: spark mandrill on May 03, 2023, 01:57:45 PM
A year from now Hawkins will be 22, turning 23 in his first NBA season.  He's probably less likely to be drafted then if for no other reason than the NBA is often not interested in dudes who are still projects at that age.

Agreed with the age thing generally, that is spot on. If you look at next years draft as it is now (no 6'10-guard 3 positions are magically going to appear), then Hawkins I think regardless of age is in a much better position to go higher, that and he has to mature alot as far as on the court.

TSJ is different, as he is a dime a dozen NBA wise, but he could carve out a place on the bench somewhere, but it has already been noted, NIL will be more, and with his game and another year to become a better shooter, I believe he goes higher as well.

The 2024 draft is just ridiculously poor talent wise....that's the year if you have a choice to try and move up and make more $$, barring injuries, neither player will hurt their chances from where they may be projected currently. The combine however may do that for them.
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