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Re: 2023 2.0 Portal Thread
« Reply #105 on: April 26, 2023, 05:26:30 AM »
Quote from: illiniray on April 25, 2023, 11:58:53 PM
Having an ancient history is nice. We have not been past the round of 32 since the magical 2005 season.

We did not even make the tournament for 6 straight seasons from 2013-2019.

So bettering easily the worst 6 year span of most of our lifetimes (and many of us aren't young) is now something we should be pleased with? Last year was largely unwatchable.Anr the results only mildly better.
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"He commented more than once that, 'You know, Hitler did some good things, too,'" Kelly recalled to The Times. Kelly said he would usually quash the conversation by saying "nothing (Hitler) did, you could argue, was good," but that Trump would occasionally bring up the topic again.
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Re: 2023 2.0 Portal Thread
« Reply #106 on: April 26, 2023, 06:19:09 AM »
Quote from: Dominic on April 26, 2023, 04:20:05 AM
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Re: 2023 2.0 Portal Thread
« Reply #107 on: April 26, 2023, 09:04:18 AM »
Quote from: Tempo34 on April 26, 2023, 05:26:30 AM
So bettering easily the worst 6 year span of most of our lifetimes (and many of us aren't young) is now something we should be pleased with? Last year was largely unwatchable.Anr the results only mildly better.

I mean yes, hiring a new coach and within two years morphing from a team that made the tournament 3 times in a decade to one that made it (or would’ve) four straight years is something most reasonable people would be pleased with.

Our fanbase is largely unreasonable and entitled.

If you were a coach and you knew that the last guy had taken over a bad program, instantly resurrected it, and the entire fanbase turned on him pretty much right away - you’d probably think other schools were pretty appealing.  You’re very likely to be fired here no matter how good your results are, unless you make the F4 every year.  My guess is if Underwood made the F4 every year but didn’t win the title the same people would want him fired.
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Re: 2023 2.0 Portal Thread
« Reply #108 on: April 26, 2023, 09:04:46 AM »
Quote from: Lkdog on April 26, 2023, 06:19:09 AM

You live in a flop house you broke delusional piece of shit. Karen already told us that, and that adult women scare the fuck out of you. Unless you count driving by a grade school playground in your cab there are no babes for Squeaky Pedophile.

Now go jackoff to your Kofi poster and the Disney channel in your room.

The only thing Dominic lives in is a fantasy world.
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Re: 2023 2.0 Portal Thread
« Reply #109 on: April 26, 2023, 09:09:43 AM »
All i heard last year from Brad and the players was "this team is built for March"

and we went 1-3 in March
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Re: 2023 2.0 Portal Thread
« Reply #110 on: April 26, 2023, 09:11:16 AM »
Oh the coach talked his team up?
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Re: 2023 2.0 Portal Thread
« Reply #111 on: April 26, 2023, 09:56:53 AM »
 nb!!
Quote from: spark mandrill on April 26, 2023, 09:04:18 AM
I mean yes, hiring a new coach and within two years morphing from a team that made the tournament 3 times in a decade to one that made it (or would’ve) four straight years is something most reasonable people would be pleased with.

Our fanbase is largely unreasonable and entitled.

If you were a coach and you knew that the last guy had taken over a bad program, instantly resurrected it, and the entire fanbase turned on him pretty much right away - you’d probably think other schools were pretty appealing.  You’re very likely to be fired here no matter how good your results are, unless you make the F4 every year.  My guess is if Underwood made the F4 every year but didn’t win the title the same people would want him fired.

Illinois is not a bad program. It was a good program under bad leadership. And again, I've never once called for his firing. But last year was bottom of the barrel "acceptable." What I would not call it is a "good year," especially considering the talent and expectations.
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"He commented more than once that, 'You know, Hitler did some good things, too,'" Kelly recalled to The Times. Kelly said he would usually quash the conversation by saying "nothing (Hitler) did, you could argue, was good," but that Trump would occasionally bring up the topic again.
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Re: 2023 2.0 Portal Thread
« Reply #112 on: April 26, 2023, 09:59:21 AM »
So "stop lying," and "misrepresenting" my position.
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"He commented more than once that, 'You know, Hitler did some good things, too,'" Kelly recalled to The Times. Kelly said he would usually quash the conversation by saying "nothing (Hitler) did, you could argue, was good," but that Trump would occasionally bring up the topic again.
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Re: 2023 2.0 Portal Thread
« Reply #113 on: April 26, 2023, 10:58:55 AM »
Quote from: spark mandrill on April 26, 2023, 09:04:18 AM
I mean yes, hiring a new coach and within two years morphing from a team that made the tournament 3 times in a decade to one that made it (or would’ve) four straight years is something most reasonable people would be pleased with.

Our fanbase is largely unreasonable and entitled.

If you were a coach and you knew that the last guy had taken over a bad program, instantly resurrected it, and the entire fanbase turned on him pretty much right away - you’d probably think other schools were pretty appealing.  You’re very likely to be fired here no matter how good your results are, unless you make the F4 every year.  My guess is if Underwood made the F4 every year but didn’t win the title the same people would want him fired.


I think people overall were very positive about the trajectory and results. I especially thought the Covid year team was excellent coaching, adjustments, development, and roster creation. His best work by far anywhere. That was a very good team and I am pretty sure would have made it to second weekend.

The Loyola game, right or wrong, really was a kick in the nuts for the fanbase and a hit for UW and staff.
The next year was solid overall, but the tourney results were again disappointing and the team was not playing well by that time. They were on fumes mentally.
This year was a struggle though we made it in, but again, the tourney was not good, and the year was pretty chaotic managing culture. Nobody thought we could put two games in a row together.

I do not think there is any chance UW is on hot seat right now. I do think if we do not get out of first weekend the next two years, he will be.
And that would be reasonable and most other top tier coaches would understand. He would then be 0-5 here and 0-9 overall getting to second weekend. 

I hope we will break through. It will be 19 years since a S16 come next March.

I also think the fact that he was allegedly looking around tells me he will not stay if boosters start bitching too loudly.

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Re: 2023 2.0 Portal Thread
« Reply #114 on: April 26, 2023, 11:20:44 AM »
Quote from: Lkdog on April 26, 2023, 10:58:55 AM

I think people overall were very positive about the trajectory and results. I especially thought the Covid year team was excellent coaching, adjustments, development, and roster creation. His best work by far anywhere. That was a very good team and I am pretty sure would have made it to second weekend.

The Loyola game, right or wrong, really was a kick in the nuts for the fanbase and a hit for UW and staff.
The next year was solid overall, but the tourney results were again disappointing and the team was not playing well by that time. They were on fumes mentally.
This year was a struggle though we made it in, but again, the tourney was not good, and the year was pretty chaotic managing culture. Nobody thought we could put two games in a row together.

I do not think there is any chance UW is on hot seat right now. I do think if we do not get out of first weekend the next two years, he will be.
And that would be reasonable and most other top tier coaches would understand. He would then be 0-5 here and 0-9 overall getting to second weekend. 

I hope we will break through. It will be 19 years since a S16 come next March.

I also think the fact that he was allegedly looking around tells me he will not stay if boosters start bitching too loudly.

I don't blame him.

Nobody would be thrilled if they took a job, completely rebuilt the position from a mediocre-or-worse situation to a much better, every-year-success type situation, and the narrative is "this guy fucking sucks".

Anyone would be looking around in that situation.

Like put yourself in those shoes.  You took a position as head of a firm that's the 50th or 60th best in the country over the last decade and a half.  Within three years, you've built that into a firm that's consistently ranked in the top-25 or -30 yearly.  The narrative in the firm is, "this guy is a clown, he fucking sucks."  Are you really super excited to stick around and keep busting your ass for those people?"  I wouldn't be, that's for sure.

I'm not nearly naive enough to believe that if we made the S16 people would stop whining about Underwood either - surely you recognize that?  The goalposts will move the second we make the S16.
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« Reply #115 on: April 26, 2023, 11:21:13 AM »
Quote from: Tempo34 on April 26, 2023, 09:59:21 AM
So "stop lying," and "misrepresenting" my position.

Incapable of honest discussion still.  Some things never change.

YOU made the poll about Underwood being fired.  Remind me what it said?
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Re: 2023 2.0 Portal Thread
« Reply #116 on: April 26, 2023, 11:47:52 AM »
Quote from: spark mandrill on April 26, 2023, 11:20:44 AM
I don't blame him.

Nobody would be thrilled if they took a job, completely rebuilt the position from a mediocre-or-worse situation to a much better, every-year-success type situation, and the narrative is "this guy fucking sucks".

Anyone would be looking around in that situation.

Like put yourself in those shoes.  You took a position as head of a firm that's the 50th or 60th best in the country over the last decade and a half.  Within three years, you've built that into a firm that's consistently ranked in the top-25 or -30 yearly.  The narrative in the firm is, "this guy is a clown, he fucking sucks."  Are you really super excited to stick around and keep busting your ass for those people?"  I wouldn't be, that's for sure.

I'm not nearly naive enough to believe that if we made the S16 people would stop whining about Underwood either - surely you recognize that?  The goalposts will move the second we make the S16.

I think that if/when he breaks through to a S16, majority of people will be fine. If he calms down a little bit on sidelines, even better.
Consistently making the tourney most years and an occasional S16 would be great for the majority of people.
He will retire here if he can achieve that.
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Re: 2023 2.0 Portal Thread
« Reply #117 on: April 26, 2023, 11:52:17 AM »
Message boards are a terrible place to take the pulse of a fan base.
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Re: 2023 2.0 Portal Thread
« Reply #118 on: April 26, 2023, 11:53:39 AM »
Quote from: Lkdog on April 26, 2023, 11:47:52 AM
I think that if/when he breaks through to a S16, majority of people will be fine. If he calms down a little bit on sidelines, even better.
Consistently making the tourney most years and an occasional S16 would be great for the majority of people.
He will retire here if he can achieve that.

Wow.  Hard to believe you actually believe that honestly.

There’s zero doubt in my mind that the second he makes the S16, the narrative will be “sure but can he do it every year?”  In fact, didn’t you already lay out a scenario at one point where he made the E8 next year and you still weren’t in?
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Re: 2023 2.0 Portal Thread
« Reply #119 on: April 26, 2023, 12:03:39 PM »
Quote from: Tempo34 on April 26, 2023, 05:22:31 AM
Last year was not a good year. Especially taking into account expectations.

Last year was similar to Webers last 3 years.  And that level got him fired.  But now people like Sparky, LK, and Nichi think it’s fine.

Being better than terrible is not an acceptable bar.

Whitman needs to hold the basketball program to the standards that he expected out of and got out of Bielema.   That is = immense improvement.  Simply being a little better than Lovie/Beckman/Zook wasn’t gonna cut it.   Neither is being “a little better” than Groce
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