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Re: Show of hands
« Reply #330 on: April 21, 2023, 01:28:58 PM »
You made the case they were playing about evenly and used stats to make the case. I said, you probably shouldn’t do that. Now…am I still “lying” here?
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"He commented more than once that, 'You know, Hitler did some good things, too,'" Kelly recalled to The Times. Kelly said he would usually quash the conversation by saying "nothing (Hitler) did, you could argue, was good," but that Trump would occasionally bring up the topic again.
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Re: Show of hands
« Reply #331 on: April 21, 2023, 01:29:19 PM »
Quote from: Tempo34 on April 21, 2023, 01:28:00 PM
Again. I never ever ever ever ever said you “thought Trubisky was better than Mahomes.” So who is making shit up here?

You claimed I said "Trubisky was pretty much on par with Mahomes".  I did not.  You are making shit up here.
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Re: Show of hands
« Reply #332 on: April 21, 2023, 01:29:57 PM »
Quote from: Tempo34 on April 21, 2023, 01:28:58 PM
You made the case they were playing about evenly and used stats to make the case. I said, you probably shouldn’t do that. Now…am I still “lying” here?

You're intentionally leaving out the entire context of the conversation, but say whatever bullshit you want man.  I'm done.  Misrepresent away, you won't remember it tomorrow anyway.
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Re: Show of hands
« Reply #333 on: April 21, 2023, 01:31:29 PM »
Quote from: spark mandrill on April 21, 2023, 01:29:19 PM
You claimed I said "Trubisky was pretty much on par with Mahomes".  I did not.  You are making shit up here.

That’s about the gist of what I remembered. Whatever “words” or “phrase” was used, you used stats to say they were playing about equally. I said don’t believe the stats. Again, am I off base with this description of what happened?
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"He commented more than once that, 'You know, Hitler did some good things, too,'" Kelly recalled to The Times. Kelly said he would usually quash the conversation by saying "nothing (Hitler) did, you could argue, was good," but that Trump would occasionally bring up the topic again.
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Re: Show of hands
« Reply #334 on: April 21, 2023, 01:33:01 PM »
Quote from: spark mandrill on April 21, 2023, 01:29:57 PM
You're intentionally leaving out the entire context of the conversation, but say whatever bullshit you want man.  I'm done.  Misrepresent away, you won't remember it tomorrow anyway.

Whatever “context” you care to use, it’s clear Mahomes is 20x the quarterback Mitch Trubisky is. So I’ll leave it at that.
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Re: Show of hands
« Reply #335 on: April 21, 2023, 01:33:21 PM »
Have explained it probably 20 times, and it has never changed one bit.

Not going to do it the 21st time, sorry.  If you haven't figured out the simple point I was making by now, you either can't or don't want to.
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Re: Show of hands
« Reply #336 on: April 21, 2023, 01:33:58 PM »
“Context.”
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"He commented more than once that, 'You know, Hitler did some good things, too,'" Kelly recalled to The Times. Kelly said he would usually quash the conversation by saying "nothing (Hitler) did, you could argue, was good," but that Trump would occasionally bring up the topic again.
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Re: Show of hands
« Reply #337 on: April 21, 2023, 01:34:04 PM »
Quote from: Tempo34 on April 21, 2023, 01:33:01 PM
Whatever “context” you care to use, it’s clear Mahomes is 20x the quarterback Mitch Trubisky is. So I’ll leave it at that.

Which is, and always has been, totally tangential to the actual point I was actually making.
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Re: Show of hands
« Reply #338 on: April 21, 2023, 01:34:43 PM »
Okay, sorry.

Tempo, lie away.  I'm done with this with you.  I'll just parrot all the lies about you instead of pushing back on them, and we'll be even.
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Re: Show of hands
« Reply #339 on: April 21, 2023, 01:35:50 PM »
Quote from: Tempo34 on April 21, 2023, 01:23:41 PM
You agreed with a lot more of them pre JFC.

I just think the differences have been more accentuated lately because there are only 5 or so hyper active posters here.

While I thought Trubisky was a poor pick from the start and sucked, I understood Spark's arguments about sample size. Which is, ironically enough, somewhat your argument about JFC. And, at the end of the day, you may be right about him. I do not think he gets 2 years though. If he does not pick up the pace this year, I think they move on.
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Re: Show of hands
« Reply #340 on: April 21, 2023, 01:39:02 PM »
Quote from: ThePAMan on April 21, 2023, 01:35:50 PM
I just think the differences have been more accentuated lately because there are only 5 or so hyper active posters here.

While I thought Trubisky was a poor pick from the start and sucked, I understood Spark's arguments about sample size. Which is, ironically enough, somewhat your argument about JFC. And, at the end of the day, you may be right about him. I do not think he gets 2 years though. If he does not pick up the pace this year, I think they move on.

Ironically, in year 2 of Trubisky they were trying to build around him. In Justin Fields’ case they were literally tearing down the roster. So maybe we shouldn’t call it apples to apples.
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Re: Show of hands
« Reply #341 on: April 21, 2023, 01:41:26 PM »
Quote from: Tempo34 on April 21, 2023, 01:31:29 PM
That’s about the gist of what I remembered. Whatever “words” or “phrase” was used, you used stats to say they were playing about equally. I said don’t believe the stats. Again, am I off base with this description of what happened?

Again. I don’t see where this is “out of context,” or poor recollection. But oh well. I still respect you more than any other poster on this forum. I think you come from an honest place even if we’re not viewing from the same lens.
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Re: Show of hands
« Reply #342 on: April 21, 2023, 01:41:43 PM »
Quote from: Tempo34 on April 21, 2023, 01:39:02 PM
Ironically, in year 2 of Trubisky they were trying to build around him. In Justin Fields’ case they were literally tearing down the roster. So maybe we shouldn’t call it apples to apples.

I never said they were. Just that you are using sample size, in addition to roster context and other things, as part of your argument.
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Re: Show of hands
« Reply #343 on: April 21, 2023, 01:43:39 PM »
Quote from: ThePAMan on April 21, 2023, 01:41:43 PM
I never said they were. Just that you are using sample size, in addition to roster context and other things, as part of your argument.

Yeah. I made the case that maybe we should see what he looks like with a team that’s actually trying to win before we declare him a certain failure. You found that highly objectionable
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Re: Show of hands
« Reply #344 on: April 21, 2023, 01:45:02 PM »
Quote from: Tempo34 on April 21, 2023, 01:43:39 PM
Yeah. I made the case that maybe we should see what he looks like with a team that’s actually trying to win before we declare him a certain failure. You found that highly objectionable

Maybe Spark and you can now find some common ground.
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