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ASU is an equal program to Illinois
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spark mandrill

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Re: Show of hands
« Reply #240 on: April 20, 2023, 02:57:38 PM »
Quote from: Tempo34 on April 20, 2023, 02:56:26 PM
Yeah. “He still has things to improve on, but could get better, especially  if he gets more help. He’s an exciting player (if not great)! I like the kid, hard worker, easy to root for.”

Controversial over the top stuff.

Again, you’re obviously much more bullish on him than I was on Mitch, and you’re still lying about my views about Mitch like 6 years later.
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Re: Show of hands
« Reply #241 on: April 20, 2023, 02:59:58 PM »
Quote from: spark mandrill on April 20, 2023, 02:33:21 PM
I mean I’ve seen all the Fields arguments.  You’re obviously considerably more sure about him than I ever was about Mitch.  No doubt about it.

FWIW, I’m more sure about him too.  Despite your false narrative, I was never all that bullish on Trubisky.  Thought he could’ve been a guy the Bears won big with by managing a game and having a great defense and running game, but didn’t happen.

I don’t know what I’ve ever said about him other than that he’s “talented anf a hard worker.” I’ve never once said he didn’t have things he needs to get much better at. All I’ve ever said that he’s overcome a lot to be in a position to where his arrow is still pointing up. Way up according to some. I have never ever ever ever once said that Fields is definitely the answer. I do think he’s shown enough to build around him.
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"He commented more than once that, 'You know, Hitler did some good things, too,'" Kelly recalled to The Times. Kelly said he would usually quash the conversation by saying "nothing (Hitler) did, you could argue, was good," but that Trump would occasionally bring up the topic again.
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Re: Show of hands
« Reply #242 on: April 20, 2023, 03:01:16 PM »
If someone wants to show me where I’ve said Fields is the definite answer and he’s a top 3-5 quarterback in the league, I’m all eyes and ears.
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"He commented more than once that, 'You know, Hitler did some good things, too,'" Kelly recalled to The Times. Kelly said he would usually quash the conversation by saying "nothing (Hitler) did, you could argue, was good," but that Trump would occasionally bring up the topic again.
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Re: Show of hands
« Reply #243 on: April 20, 2023, 03:04:38 PM »
Quote from: spark mandrill on April 20, 2023, 12:38:50 PM
How much worse can we do than four straight tournament teams after 3 in a decade under Weber and Groce?


31-45 without Kofi.

Groce was 37-53.

You can’t do worse than that
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Re: Show of hands
« Reply #244 on: April 20, 2023, 03:04:50 PM »
Quote from: spark mandrill on April 20, 2023, 02:57:38 PM
Again, you’re obviously much more bullish on him than I was on Mitch, and you’re still lying about my views about Mitch like 6 years later.

Can you please explain to me how I’m “lying?”

Here’s what happened. You made that case that Trubisky “is more or less on par with Mahomes” (even if through just 5 games). I said: “stop with that nonsense, Mahomes is clearly better!” You said:”Not according to the statistics.” I said: “I don’t give a damn what the statistics say, Mahomes is way better.”

Contrary to your accusation, I never once said you said that Trubisky was better than Mahomes. I merely pointed out that comparing the two in any way was dumb, and you took exception to it. That’s why we argued about it.
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"He commented more than once that, 'You know, Hitler did some good things, too,'" Kelly recalled to The Times. Kelly said he would usually quash the conversation by saying "nothing (Hitler) did, you could argue, was good," but that Trump would occasionally bring up the topic again.
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Re: Show of hands
« Reply #245 on: April 20, 2023, 03:07:22 PM »
Quote from: Dominic on April 20, 2023, 03:04:38 PM
31-45 without Kofi.

Groce was 37-53.

You can’t do worse than that

So you don’t give credit to Underwood for bringing in Kofi but can use that he did to discredit him. Interesting 🤔
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Re: Show of hands
« Reply #246 on: April 20, 2023, 03:08:22 PM »
Pretty amazed Spark won’t take his screamingly obvious L on the Trubisky/Mahomes topic.
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"He commented more than once that, 'You know, Hitler did some good things, too,'" Kelly recalled to The Times. Kelly said he would usually quash the conversation by saying "nothing (Hitler) did, you could argue, was good," but that Trump would occasionally bring up the topic again.
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Re: Show of hands
« Reply #247 on: April 20, 2023, 03:10:42 PM »
I’ll bet Spark still thinks the Bears won the Mack trade. And he the debate.
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"He commented more than once that, 'You know, Hitler did some good things, too,'" Kelly recalled to The Times. Kelly said he would usually quash the conversation by saying "nothing (Hitler) did, you could argue, was good," but that Trump would occasionally bring up the topic again.
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Re: Show of hands
« Reply #248 on: April 20, 2023, 03:10:48 PM »
Quote from: spark mandrill on April 20, 2023, 12:39:51 PM
One thing I love is Truth trying to gotcha me by saying I didn’t like Weber, that’s funny as fuck.

Well wanting Weber fired for years that you are fine with Groce/Underwood having is batshit crazy, especially since 4+ years into a tenure it doesn’t matter where you started from.

If Underwood is a mediocre coach in year 5 and after, same with Groce/Weber- why tolerate it?
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Re: Show of hands
« Reply #249 on: April 20, 2023, 03:13:30 PM »
Quote from: spark mandrill on April 20, 2023, 02:10:17 PM
During those five weeks, yes.



Based on a 5 week sample size, Brock Purdy is clearly on his way to being better than Tom Brady
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Re: Show of hands
« Reply #250 on: April 20, 2023, 03:19:57 PM »
Quote from: Tempo34 on April 20, 2023, 01:38:02 PM
So now Spark wants to use the argument that competitive advantage is a thing. When he just spent 12 pages arguing it wasn’t. And yes, I realize we’re not Kansas or UNC. But neither is ASU Illinois. A lot of historical data tells us this. And since Spark is the data guy, you’d think he’d accept this data.

Exactly.

If there’s no comparative advantage between jobs, then there should also be no distinction made between Bruce Weber starting in 2003 and Brad Underwood starting in 2017. It’s the exact same Illinois job right spark?
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Re: Show of hands
« Reply #251 on: April 20, 2023, 03:27:21 PM »
Quote from: Judge Judy on April 20, 2023, 03:07:22 PM
So you don’t give credit to Underwood for bringing in Kofi but can use that he did to discredit him. Interesting 🤔

If we’re forecasting the future, it’s only reasonable to forecast events that have high probability of occurring in the future.

If Brad Underwood is 31-45 without Kofi Cockburn on the roster, and there is a 1% chance he will ever recruit a similar player to IL, then clearly assessing Underwood on the merits of him coaching Kofi-less rosters is appropriate.

Kofi is such a gigantic outlier in Underwood’s career that one would be dumb not to take that into account.

Gene Chizik was fired at Auburn bc he was never going to recruit another Cam Newton. Kofi is the same way to Underwood. 
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Re: Show of hands
« Reply #252 on: April 20, 2023, 03:28:10 PM »
Quote from: Tempo34 on April 20, 2023, 03:01:16 PM
If someone wants to show me where I’ve said Fields is the definite answer and he’s a top 3-5 quarterback in the league, I’m all eyes and ears.


No one has ever said you said that, Strawman34. But you did say this:

Quote from: Tempo34 on August 13, 2021, 05:19:42 PM
Not a super duper spicy take, but I predict Justin Fields will be the best quarterback in Chicago Bears history.
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Re: Show of hands
« Reply #253 on: April 20, 2023, 03:36:50 PM »
Unless someone is pounding the table for Sid Luckman as an all-time great NFL quarterback that seems like a fairly low bar, doesn’t it?
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"He commented more than once that, 'You know, Hitler did some good things, too,'" Kelly recalled to The Times. Kelly said he would usually quash the conversation by saying "nothing (Hitler) did, you could argue, was good," but that Trump would occasionally bring up the topic again.
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Re: Show of hands
« Reply #254 on: April 20, 2023, 03:37:38 PM »
Big Jay Cutler fan, are ya?
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"He commented more than once that, 'You know, Hitler did some good things, too,'" Kelly recalled to The Times. Kelly said he would usually quash the conversation by saying "nothing (Hitler) did, you could argue, was good," but that Trump would occasionally bring up the topic again.
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