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Illinois be ASU

ASU is an equal program to Illinois
11 (68.8%)
Illinois provides a competitive advantage
5 (31.3%)

Total Members Voted: 16

Voting closed: April 26, 2023, 11:18:32 AM

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Re: Show of hands
« Reply #30 on: April 19, 2023, 12:22:37 PM »
Quote from: Tempo34 on April 19, 2023, 12:20:42 PM
I think Collins vs Self is a bad example. But I do think it is safe to say that Collins would have better results than he gets at Northwestern, and Self would have worse results than he gets at Kansas.

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Re: Show of hands
« Reply #31 on: April 19, 2023, 12:29:52 PM »
Quote from: spark mandrill on April 19, 2023, 12:18:15 PM
Crazy thought probably but I’d probably at least make both choices a thing someone has said instead of your viewpoint vs. a complete strawman.

OK I’ll ask you as well. How would you word it?
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Re: Show of hands
« Reply #32 on: April 19, 2023, 12:30:15 PM »
Because the way you talk, seems to imply you think they are equal playing fields
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Re: Show of hands
« Reply #33 on: April 19, 2023, 12:35:08 PM »
Quote from: Tempo34 on April 19, 2023, 12:13:19 PM
How would you choose to word it?

Depends upon what you are trying to communicate.
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Re: Show of hands
« Reply #34 on: April 19, 2023, 12:37:16 PM »
Quote from: Tempo34 on April 19, 2023, 12:14:31 PM
Two words: competitive advantage

If he has the same assistants, I am thinking the same pre-NIL cash would be thrown around. I think that it is more attributable to Underachiever than "Illinois" or else Groce would not have sucked here.
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Re: Show of hands
« Reply #35 on: April 19, 2023, 12:38:11 PM »
Matt Doherty says hi, too.
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Re: Show of hands
« Reply #36 on: April 19, 2023, 12:38:29 PM »
Quote from: ThePAMan on April 19, 2023, 12:35:08 PM
Depends upon what you are trying to communicate.

Haven’t seen a dodge that big since I left Kansas.
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Re: Show of hands
« Reply #37 on: April 19, 2023, 12:38:46 PM »
Quote from: Tempo34 on April 19, 2023, 12:29:52 PM
OK I’ll ask you as well. How would you word it?

I just answered that.

I’d change it so that both options were something somebody actually said instead of one option being your viewpoint and the other being something you made up that nobody’s saying.
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Re: Show of hands
« Reply #38 on: April 19, 2023, 12:39:22 PM »
Quote from: Judge Judy on April 19, 2023, 12:38:11 PM
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There’s nothing that says a coach can’t fail in a place that’s hard to fail at.
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Re: Show of hands
« Reply #39 on: April 19, 2023, 12:39:57 PM »
Quote from: Tempo34 on April 19, 2023, 12:30:15 PM
Because the way you talk, seems to imply you think they are equal playing fields

Equal playing fields?  Yes.  They’re both major universities that play high major basketball, both had been similarly mediocre when the current coaches were hired, etc.  There’s nothing stopping ASU from hiring a good coach and getting good results, and as we’ve seen first hand there’s nothing stopping Illinois from hiring a mediocre coach and getting mediocre results

 
That notably isn’t at all what the poll says.
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Re: Show of hands
« Reply #40 on: April 19, 2023, 12:41:16 PM »
Quote from: Tempo34 on April 19, 2023, 12:38:29 PM
Haven’t seen a dodge that big since I left Kansas.

Like I said, I am having a tough time comprehending your point in order to come up with something else.

Are you saying that Illinois inherently has advantages that ASU does not?
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Re: Show of hands
« Reply #41 on: April 19, 2023, 01:05:07 PM »
One is a football school, the other is a basketball school
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Re: Show of hands
« Reply #42 on: April 19, 2023, 01:07:22 PM »
Quote from: Mn on April 19, 2023, 01:05:07 PM
One is a football school, the other is a basketball school

Which one is which?
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Re: Show of hands
« Reply #43 on: April 19, 2023, 01:10:07 PM »
Quote from: ThePAMan on April 19, 2023, 01:07:22 PM
Which one is which?
You should start a poll
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Re: Show of hands
« Reply #44 on: April 19, 2023, 01:57:02 PM »
Quote from: spark mandrill on April 19, 2023, 12:39:57 PM
Equal playing fields?  Yes.  They’re both major universities that play high major basketball, both had been similarly mediocre when the current coaches were hired, etc.  There’s nothing stopping ASU from hiring a good coach and getting good results, and as we’ve seen first hand there’s nothing stopping Illinois from hiring a mediocre coach and getting mediocre results

 
That notably isn’t at all what the poll says.

Do both have equal histories? Equal facilities? Equal budgets? Equal conferences? Equal local talent pools? Etc?
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