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Illinois be ASU

ASU is an equal program to Illinois
11 (68.8%)
Illinois provides a competitive advantage
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Total Members Voted: 16

Voting closed: April 26, 2023, 11:18:32 AM

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Re: Show of hands
« Reply #15 on: April 19, 2023, 11:50:49 AM »
Gary Moeller won a national title?

Ignoring that you're literally talking about a different sport.
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Re: Show of hands
« Reply #16 on: April 19, 2023, 11:51:14 AM »
Quote from: Dominic on April 19, 2023, 11:50:06 AM
So Bill Self would have taken the Minnesota Gophers to 4-5 Final 4s and multiple national championships.

Certainly he'd have had big success there, yeah.  He's a great coach, and great coaches win wherever they are.

Do you really think Bill Self would get mediocre results at Minnesota because of their history?
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« Reply #17 on: April 19, 2023, 11:53:54 AM »
Well one thing we know is true.. it doesn’t matter what Illini message board Truth goes to, he still is a dumbass.
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Re: Show of hands
« Reply #18 on: April 19, 2023, 12:02:59 PM »
Sparky,

Put Chris Collins at Kansas.
Put Bill Self at Northwestern.

Do you really believe Northwestern would be better than Kansas after 4 years of them switching jobs?
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Re: Show of hands
« Reply #19 on: April 19, 2023, 12:04:48 PM »
Here is the simplest way I can explain this. Brad Underwood is Brad Underwood, right? Put him at ASU and does he lead them to a 1 seed? Based on their history I find that extremely unlikely. Thus it stands to reason that a coach’s ceiling is almost certainly higher at Illinois than it is at ASU. I don’t see how that’s a controversial hot take.

That doesn’t mean Brad Underwood couldn’t be “successful” at ASU. I imagine they’d be over the moon with a season like we just had.
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Re: Show of hands
« Reply #20 on: April 19, 2023, 12:05:21 PM »
Quote from: Dominic on April 19, 2023, 12:02:59 PM
Do you really believe Northwestern would be better than Kansas after 4 years of them switching jobs?

Yes.
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Re: Show of hands
« Reply #21 on: April 19, 2023, 12:06:27 PM »
Quote from: Tempo34 on April 19, 2023, 12:04:48 PM
Here is the simplest way I can explain this. Brad Underwood is Brad Underwood, right? Put him at ASU and does he lead them to a 1 seed? Based on their history I find that extremely unlikely. Thus it stands to reason that a coach’s ceiling is almost certainly higher at Illinois than it is at ASU. I don’t see how that’s a controversial hot take.

That doesn’t mean Brad Underwood couldn’t be “successful” at ASU. I imagine they’d be over the moon with a season like we just had.

Who are his assistants at ASU? How much cash being paid out?
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Re: Show of hands
« Reply #22 on: April 19, 2023, 12:06:49 PM »
Quote from: spark mandrill on April 19, 2023, 11:51:14 AM
Certainly he'd have had big success there, yeah.  He's a great coach, and great coaches win wherever they are.

Do you really think Bill Self would get mediocre results at Minnesota because of their history?

Would he win two natties and like 18 conference titles in 20 years? Methinks not. He’d definitely be in the tourney every year, because he’s a HOFer.
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Re: Show of hands
« Reply #23 on: April 19, 2023, 12:10:10 PM »
We’ve employed 4 coaches in the last quarter century or so that have guided our program to a 1 seed. And we know it’s not because we’ve had the smartest ADs .
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Re: Show of hands
« Reply #24 on: April 19, 2023, 12:13:19 PM »
Quote from: ThePAMan on April 19, 2023, 11:30:36 AM
Well, the poll is not well worded. That is not the fault of the public.

How would you choose to word it?
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Re: Show of hands
« Reply #25 on: April 19, 2023, 12:13:20 PM »
Quote from: Dominic on April 19, 2023, 12:02:59 PM
Sparky,

Put Chris Collins at Kansas.
Put Bill Self at Northwestern.

Do you really believe Northwestern would be better than Kansas after 4 years of them switching jobs?

Duke was/is not Duke without coach K…
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Re: Show of hands
« Reply #26 on: April 19, 2023, 12:14:31 PM »
Quote from: ThePAMan on April 19, 2023, 12:06:27 PM
Who are his assistants at ASU? How much cash being paid out?

Two words: competitive advantage
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Re: Show of hands
« Reply #27 on: April 19, 2023, 12:17:34 PM »
Quote from: Dominic on April 19, 2023, 12:02:59 PM
Sparky,

Put Chris Collins at Kansas.
Put Bill Self at Northwestern.

Do you really believe Northwestern would be better than Kansas after 4 years of them switching jobs?

Well I think Collins is at least a halfway decent coach but if you switched their schools it seems very likely the one with Bill Self coaching it ends up better regardless of the name on the jersey, yes.

Bill Self had more success at Tulsa than Collins has had at NW.
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Re: Show of hands
« Reply #28 on: April 19, 2023, 12:18:15 PM »
Quote from: Tempo34 on April 19, 2023, 12:13:19 PM
How would you choose to word it?

Crazy thought probably but I’d probably at least make both choices a thing someone has said instead of your viewpoint vs. a complete strawman.
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Re: Show of hands
« Reply #29 on: April 19, 2023, 12:20:42 PM »
I think Collins vs Self is a bad example. But I do think it is safe to say that Collins would have better results than he gets at Northwestern, and Self would have worse results than he gets at Kansas.
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