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Re: Underwood
« Reply #120 on: June 02, 2023, 12:54:28 PM »
Quote from: sharethejuice on June 02, 2023, 12:50:24 PM
It's weird to see people say Underwood has the program trending upwards
I think it is called The Stockholm Syndrome, Jasn.
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Re: Underwood
« Reply #121 on: June 02, 2023, 12:57:55 PM »
Quote from: sharethejuice on June 02, 2023, 12:50:24 PM
It's weird to see people say Underwood has the program trending upwards

Compared to what he inherited? Absolutely he does. Compared to his own results? It’s leveled out.
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Re: Underwood
« Reply #122 on: June 02, 2023, 01:05:47 PM »
Thus far the trajectory overall has been way, way, way up with a slight downturn last year.

I can't imagine arguing that overall his trajectory hasn't been clearly upward though, that's an obvious losing argument.  Certainly last year was disappointing to only make the tournament, but compare that to the program he inherited.  We'd made three tourneys in the decade before he was hired, and now just making the tournament is something worthy of mockery and snarky nicknames.  That should tell you everything you need to know about his trajectory thusfar, no?
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Re: Underwood
« Reply #123 on: June 02, 2023, 01:09:43 PM »
He has raised the bar, which might very well lead to his own downfall.
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Re: Underwood
« Reply #124 on: June 02, 2023, 01:13:10 PM »
Quote from: spark mandrill on June 02, 2023, 01:05:47 PM
Thus far the trajectory overall has been way, way, way up with a slight downturn last year.

I can't imagine arguing that overall his trajectory hasn't been clearly upward though, that's an obvious losing argument.  Certainly last year was disappointing to only make the tournament, but compare that to the program he inherited.  We'd made three tourneys in the decade before he was hired, and now just making the tournament is something worthy of mockery and snarky nicknames.  That should tell you everything you need to know about his trajectory thusfar, no?

I would say our preseason rankings last year were a bit overinflated for a team that lost a gazillion years of experience and like 90% of our scoring... overall I think the year was fine.  Some highs and lows for sure.  Was awesome to see TSJ go ham on UCLA in person that's for sure, that atmosphere was electric!
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Re: Underwood
« Reply #125 on: June 02, 2023, 01:16:00 PM »
I don't blame people for being disappointed in last year, at all.

The notion that the overall trend is downward for Illinois basketball under Underwood is ... to put it kindly, not found in evidence, unless you're willing to exclusively look at the last two seasons - when we lost a first team All American in each of the offseasons.
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Re: Underwood
« Reply #126 on: June 02, 2023, 01:40:23 PM »
Quote from: Tempo34 on June 02, 2023, 12:57:55 PM
Compared to what he inherited? Absolutely he does. Compared to his own results? It’s leveled out.

Was what he inherited an anomaly (thinking along the line of UNC with Matt Doherty) or not? You have argued, I am paraphrasing here, that Illinois is a "blueblood light." (Is that a fair characterization?)
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Re: Underwood
« Reply #127 on: June 02, 2023, 01:42:52 PM »
Quote from: Chickengeorge on June 02, 2023, 01:09:43 PM
He has raised the bar, which might very well lead to his own downfall.

I suggested that it would be the same bar applied to every coach since Weber.

Fucking Connecticut has been kicking ass (and had its doldrums and shit canned the coach) and Illinois can't? What the hell is wrong with you people?
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Re: Underwood
« Reply #128 on: June 02, 2023, 01:46:59 PM »
Quote from: sharethejuice on June 02, 2023, 12:50:24 PM
It's weird to see people say Underwood has the program trending upwards
He has it leveled at regular tourney qualification. Last year he had massive turnover + cancer on the roster and he made the tourney. Groce, as a contrast for example, went .500 in the B1G and whiffed the tourney with 2 NBA guards on the roster. Underwood ain't perfect but above the standard since 05 and had enough guys return that there's at least some internal faith in the program.
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Re: Underwood
« Reply #129 on: June 02, 2023, 01:49:08 PM »
Quote from: ThePAMan on June 02, 2023, 01:40:23 PM
Was what he inherited an anomaly (thinking along the line of UNC with Matt Doherty) or not? You have argued, I am paraphrasing here, that Illinois is a "blueblood light." (Is that a fair characterization?)

In capable hands Illinois is a top 10-15 program. Call that what you want.
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Re: Underwood
« Reply #130 on: June 02, 2023, 01:50:34 PM »
Quote from: Tempo34 on June 02, 2023, 01:49:08 PM
In capable hands Illinois is a top 10-15 program. Call that what you want.

I agree. But apparently I am unreasonable.
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« Reply #131 on: June 02, 2023, 01:54:07 PM »
It's not unreasonable to think Illinois can be a top-10 or -15 program, what's unreasonable is making your determination exclusively on the single elimination tournament.

I bet there aren't 15 major conference teams who have been notably better than us the last four years, but could be wrong.  We're certainly closer to that right now than we've been since Dee Brown graduated.
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Re: Underwood
« Reply #132 on: June 02, 2023, 01:57:04 PM »
How many programs make the S16 every year?
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Re: Underwood
« Reply #133 on: June 02, 2023, 01:59:36 PM »
Quote from: spark mandrill on June 02, 2023, 01:57:04 PM
How many programs make the S16 every year?

16 programs make the S16 every year.
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Re: Underwood
« Reply #134 on: June 02, 2023, 01:59:39 PM »
Quote from: ThePAMan on June 02, 2023, 01:42:52 PM
I suggested that it would be the same bar applied to every coach since Weber.

Fucking Connecticut has been kicking ass (and had its doldrums and shit canned the coach) and Illinois can't? What the hell is wrong with you people?

Coming into this season Dan Hurley had been at UConn for four years, had a 73-47 (40-32) record with two tournament appearances and two first round losses to lower seeds.  You'd have wanted him fired and had a snarky nickname for him and everything.
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