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2023 PORTAL TRACKING THREAD

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Re: 2023 PORTAL TRACKING THREAD
« Reply #615 on: April 18, 2023, 10:19:21 PM »
Quote from: Judge Judy on April 18, 2023, 10:18:22 PM
No doubt, but cheating and sanctions would be a reason Cal left UMass and Memphis. They were definitely in hot water because of him.

If there was evidence he'd been involved he'd have gotten in trouble too - but there wasn't.

The UMass stuff is pretty similar to the stuff that happened under Underwood at OK State.
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Re: 2023 PORTAL TRACKING THREAD
« Reply #616 on: April 18, 2023, 10:21:39 PM »
Quote from: spark mandrill on April 18, 2023, 10:19:21 PM
If there was evidence he'd been involved he'd have gotten in trouble too - but there wasn't.

The UMass stuff is pretty similar to the stuff that happened under Underwood at OK State.

The SFA stuff clearly had nothing to do with Underwood.
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Re: 2023 PORTAL TRACKING THREAD
« Reply #617 on: April 18, 2023, 10:21:57 PM »
Quote from: spark mandrill on April 18, 2023, 10:19:21 PM
If there was evidence he'd been involved he'd have gotten in trouble too - but there wasn't.

The UMass stuff is pretty similar to the stuff that happened under Underwood at OK State.

Agreed.

It’s not THE reason he left those programs, but it is A reason along with many others.
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Re: 2023 PORTAL TRACKING THREAD
« Reply #618 on: April 18, 2023, 10:28:31 PM »
Quote from: spark mandrill on April 18, 2023, 10:16:31 PM
Yep, and he came really close at multiple mid-majors.

Do you really think you're supporting your point?  You're not, you're supporting mine.

John Calipari had big time success, in terms of winning percentage, conference winning percentage, tournament success - comparable at every stop he made, whether it was one of the most successful programs in history or a program that has two total tournament appearances in 95+ seasons when he didn't coach or recruit their players.

Calipari made one Final Four in 8 years at Memphis. He made 4 and won a title his first 6 years at Kentucky. You tell me where his ceiling was higher.
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Re: 2023 PORTAL TRACKING THREAD
« Reply #619 on: April 18, 2023, 10:29:54 PM »
Quote from: illiniray on April 18, 2023, 10:21:39 PM
The SFA stuff clearly had nothing to do with Underwood.

How do you figure?
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Re: 2023 PORTAL TRACKING THREAD
« Reply #620 on: April 18, 2023, 10:32:59 PM »
Quote from: illiniray on April 18, 2023, 10:12:10 PM
Number of 4 seeds or higher since 1982 is something only an Illini fan would bring up.

The point is Illinois has contended for national titles on a somewhat regular basis for 40 years. ASU probably hasn’t had a single season in which they could have had national title aspirations.
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Re: 2023 PORTAL TRACKING THREAD
« Reply #621 on: April 18, 2023, 10:35:20 PM »
Quote from: Tempo34 on April 18, 2023, 10:32:59 PM
The point is Illinois has contended for national titles on a somewhat regular basis for 40 years. ASU probably hasn’t had a single season in which they could have had national title aspirations.

Whaaaa 🤨
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Re: 2023 PORTAL TRACKING THREAD
« Reply #622 on: April 18, 2023, 10:37:19 PM »
Quote from: spark mandrill on April 18, 2023, 10:08:17 PM
Every coach wants to win titles, but coaches turned us down not that long ago for more time at VCU and Butler.

I get how you view our program, but most people didn't view it that way in 2005, let alone now.  The idea that a coach at Illinois is 'comparable' to a coach winning 10-15% fewer games at a different high major program just isn't real life.

Good coaches win everywhere they coach, as you accidentally showed us.

Again. Calipari won “biggest” at Kentucky. And it isn’t close when you consider everything in bulk. It’s not just the coach. The program matters. And some programs are easier to win at than others. As I said, Illinois has at least contended for Final Fours under 6 coaches in 40 years. ASU has never.
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Re: 2023 PORTAL TRACKING THREAD
« Reply #623 on: April 18, 2023, 10:41:23 PM »
Quote from: Tempo34 on April 18, 2023, 10:37:19 PM
Again. Calipari won “biggest” at Kentucky. And it isn’t close when you consider everything in bulk. It’s not just the coach. The program matters. And some programs are easier to win at than others. As I said, Illinois has at least contended for Final Fours under 6 coaches in 40 years. ASU has never.

Yeah but what is he at UMass without Camby? Memphis without Rose? Kentucky without all those top recruits?

I mean take those off and he’s shit 🤷🏻‍♂️ one could say Hurley-like.
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Re: 2023 PORTAL TRACKING THREAD
« Reply #624 on: April 18, 2023, 10:42:07 PM »
Quote from: ThePAMan on April 18, 2023, 09:06:15 PM
It was Tempo doubling down on his Calipari argument....

Calipari was very good at Memphis. He was GREAT at Kentucky. 4 Final Fours and a title > 1 Final Four

So again, tell me where he has/had the higher ceiling.
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Re: 2023 PORTAL TRACKING THREAD
« Reply #625 on: April 18, 2023, 11:15:57 PM »
Quote from: spark mandrill on April 18, 2023, 09:59:26 PM

Brad Underwood has had WAY more wins vacated than Calipari.

True story: SFA has vacated more wins than anyone other than Northern Colorado and Louisville.

So not only is Underwood a bad major conference coach without Kofi Cockburn, but even his success at a small school is tainted.

Why are you defending this cheating scumbag?   
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Re: 2023 PORTAL TRACKING THREAD
« Reply #626 on: April 18, 2023, 11:46:01 PM »
SFA placed on NCAA probation, must vacate wins in four sports

"Administrators erred by counting all semester credit hours to determine academic eligibility instead of counting only credit hours that led to a degree, Ivey said."

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=https://www.houstonchronicle.com/texas-sports-nation/college/article/SFA-placed-on-NCAA-probation-must-vacate-wins-in-15284367.php&ved=2ahUKEwiY-bvQkLX-AhWUkIkEHYAQDQ8QFnoECBMQAQ&usg=AOvVaw0qKWNbTm_5WYV-zd4hvYFM
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Re: 2023 PORTAL TRACKING THREAD
« Reply #627 on: April 18, 2023, 11:46:56 PM »
SFA vacated 289 wins  across multiple sports.

UNC got nothing.
« Last Edit: April 18, 2023, 11:52:08 PM by illiniray »
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Re: 2023 PORTAL TRACKING THREAD
« Reply #628 on: April 18, 2023, 11:54:48 PM »
Quote from: Dominic on April 18, 2023, 11:15:57 PM


Why are you defending this cheating scumbag?

This is classic white trash talk.
The brokeass flop house virgin pedophile is calling someone a scumbag.


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Re: 2023 PORTAL TRACKING THREAD
« Reply #629 on: April 19, 2023, 12:32:41 AM »
Quote from: illiniray on April 18, 2023, 11:46:01 PM
SFA placed on NCAA probation, must vacate wins in four sports

"Administrators erred by counting all semester credit hours to determine academic eligibility instead of counting only credit hours that led to a degree, Ivey said."

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=https://www.houstonchronicle.com/texas-sports-nation/college/article/SFA-placed-on-NCAA-probation-must-vacate-wins-in-15284367.php&ved=2ahUKEwiY-bvQkLX-AhWUkIkEHYAQDQ8QFnoECBMQAQ&usg=AOvVaw0qKWNbTm_5WYV-zd4hvYFM

Underwood for sure knew the scheme that allowed his players to take swim class and stay eligible.  Most good coaches would be making sure their guys took classes that helped them get degrees.
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