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2023 PORTAL TRACKING THREAD

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Re: 2023 PORTAL TRACKING THREAD
« Reply #420 on: April 14, 2023, 07:53:36 PM »
Cf. Watching the Raptors v. Bulls game the other day I got annoyed all over again that we whiffed on VanVleet during a time Weber was offering guys like Jalen James and Michael Orris. If we had been 99-06 Illini I would not have cared.

Sadly, our history is replete with these kinds of errors. See: McNeal, Jerel. Kaminsky, Frank. Pargo, Jeremy. Et al
"He commented more than once that, 'You know, Hitler did some good things, too,'" Kelly recalled to The Times. Kelly said he would usually quash the conversation by saying "nothing (Hitler) did, you could argue, was good," but that Trump would occasionally bring up the topic again.

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Re: 2023 PORTAL TRACKING THREAD
« Reply #421 on: April 17, 2023, 10:30:54 AM »
Ramses to Georgia.

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Re: 2023 PORTAL TRACKING THREAD
« Reply #422 on: April 17, 2023, 11:21:00 AM »
I don't see how Podz is anything but a massive eval failure but LK is right that good programs wash it off because they know they're going to be right like 80% of the time.

Cf. Watching the Raptors v. Bulls game the other day I got annoyed all over again that we whiffed on VanVleet during a time Weber was offering guys like Jalen James and Michael Orris. If we had been 99-06 Illini I would not have cared.

I guess I struggle to see how recruiting a kid, offering him a scholarship to play for you, having him not play much year 1 because he wasn't ready and a once-in-a-lifetime scenario causes you to have two 5 year starters ahead of him on the depth chart, and then him deciding to go play elsewhere despite you wanting him to stay is an evaluation failure.  I don't think I've ever seen a guy a coach wanted who chose to play elsewhere characterized that way before.

If anything the bigger evaluation failures are the guys they wanted who left but ended up bad, right?  Like wanting Adam Miller to stay and having him leave anyway looks like a worse evaluation than doing the same thing with Podziemski IMO.

They could've played him last year when he wasn't ready for this level of competition, I guess, but it'd have probably cost us a conference title - and by no means guarantees he wouldn't have decided to leave anyway.  Obviously playing time isn't correlated really at all to whether someone decides to leave.
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Re: 2023 PORTAL TRACKING THREAD
« Reply #423 on: April 17, 2023, 11:24:19 AM »
Ramses to Georgia.
So like going to Nebraska and being coached by a White guy ?
Still hiding behind innuendo and practicing the art of ommision.

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Re: 2023 PORTAL TRACKING THREAD
« Reply #424 on: April 17, 2023, 11:26:36 AM »
Georgia was worse than Nebraska this year.

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Re: 2023 PORTAL TRACKING THREAD
« Reply #425 on: April 17, 2023, 12:07:22 PM »
but it'd have probably cost us a conference title

We just love hanging conference titles banners at Illinois!
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Re: 2023 PORTAL TRACKING THREAD
« Reply #426 on: April 17, 2023, 12:46:01 PM »


They could've played him last year when he wasn't ready for this level of competition, I guess, but it'd have probably cost us a conference title

Yeah I’m sure the difference in winning the conference was Damonte Williams playing those clutch 28 minutes a game while Podz played 6 minutes. 

There’s a reason Podz is gonna be in the NBA and Damonte is gonna be a PE teacher.

I’m sure guys go from “not ready for the Big 10” to NBA picks in one season.

Just take the loss and stop defending a horrific talent evaluation.

You got till May 31 then you’re gone anyway


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Re: 2023 PORTAL TRACKING THREAD
« Reply #427 on: April 17, 2023, 12:48:34 PM »
We just love hanging conference titles banners at Illinois!

I mean yeah - are there programs out there that just don't like winning their league?

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Re: 2023 PORTAL TRACKING THREAD
« Reply #428 on: April 17, 2023, 12:49:19 PM »
Yeah I’m sure the difference in winning the conference was Damonte Williams playing those clutch 28 minutes a game while Podz played 6 minutes. 

There’s a reason Podz is gonna be in the NBA and Damonte is gonna be a PE teacher.

I’m sure guys go from “not ready for the Big 10” to NBA picks in one season.

Just take the loss and stop defending a horrific talent evaluation.

You got till May 31 then you’re gone anyway

I mean, anyone who watched Podziemski play as a freshman for Illinois saw that he wasn't ready I assume.  Anyone who isn't a complete basketball moron, anyway.

You can pretend you saw an NBA guy - lord knows lying is par for the course for you - but you definitely didn't.

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Re: 2023 PORTAL TRACKING THREAD
« Reply #429 on: April 17, 2023, 12:56:46 PM »
We just love hanging conference titles banners at Illinois!

yeah who cares about the results of a 20 game season

a single elimination tournament is where its at when talking about success!
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Re: 2023 PORTAL TRACKING THREAD
« Reply #430 on: April 17, 2023, 01:08:42 PM »
"He commented more than once that, 'You know, Hitler did some good things, too,'" Kelly recalled to The Times. Kelly said he would usually quash the conversation by saying "nothing (Hitler) did, you could argue, was good," but that Trump would occasionally bring up the topic again.

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Re: 2023 PORTAL TRACKING THREAD
« Reply #431 on: April 17, 2023, 01:15:14 PM »


If anything the bigger evaluation failures are the guys they wanted who left but ended up bad, right?  Like wanting Adam Miller to stay and having him leave anyway looks like a worse evaluation than doing the same thing with Podziemski IMO.


Adam Miller blew out his knee.  That’s why he “ended up bad”. 

Your sports opinions are so mind numblingly bad I am go to start a thread to celebrate your funeral from this board

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Re: 2023 PORTAL TRACKING THREAD
« Reply #432 on: April 17, 2023, 01:17:19 PM »
Georgia was worse than Nebraska this year.

Actually Georgia is on the big upswing.

Last year they were 6-24.
This year, first year coach Mike White got them to 16-16.  One of the biggest improvements in college basketball. 



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Re: 2023 PORTAL TRACKING THREAD
« Reply #433 on: April 17, 2023, 01:19:47 PM »
I mean, anyone who watched Podziemski play as a freshman for Illinois saw that he wasn't ready I assume. 

How would you know?  He never got to play.  I recall him playing one game vs NW where he saved the team late.

I do know Damonte Williams sucked.  And going with an unknown player who may not suck, is better than playing a guy who for sure sucks

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Re: 2023 PORTAL TRACKING THREAD
« Reply #434 on: April 17, 2023, 01:59:04 PM »
How would you know?  He never got to play.  I recall him playing one game vs NW where he saved the team late.

I do know Damonte Williams sucked.  And going with an unknown player who may not suck, is better than playing a guy who for sure sucks

If you're interested, Damonte Williams shot almost 10% better from three than Podziemski that season.

He didn't play much because when he did he was bad.  A three point shooter shooting 20% who couldn't guard his shadow.  He obviously was much better this year against a lower level of competition - entirely his choice, leaving for a lower level of competition - but he was bad as a freshman here.  There's a reason he didn't play much, and it wasn't because Underwood just didn't like him.