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2023 PORTAL TRACKING THREAD

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Re: 2023 PORTAL TRACKING THREAD
« Reply #60 on: March 30, 2023, 08:47:05 PM »

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Re: 2023 PORTAL TRACKING THREAD
« Reply #61 on: March 30, 2023, 09:47:09 PM »
It's impressive how confident you still are despite your track record.

Three of those guys have a reasonable chance at coming back, too, because of course you'd just be wrong about that. Being wrong is What You Do.

Fanin was implying those 3 would be gone, and the team would be the same level. Thats what I was questioning

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Re: 2023 PORTAL TRACKING THREAD
« Reply #62 on: March 30, 2023, 09:55:38 PM »


A good pg and big replace Hawkins and Shannon. .

Without Shannon and Epps on this past year's team, it'd have lost 18+ games.  Those guys are far harder to replace than you think they are.

NW, MI, UCLA, Michigan State, Texas would have all been losses probably more as well.

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Re: 2023 PORTAL TRACKING THREAD
« Reply #63 on: March 30, 2023, 10:55:43 PM »
Without Shannon and Epps on this past year's team, it'd have lost 18+ games.  Those guys are far harder to replace than you think they are.

NW, MI, UCLA, Michigan State, Texas would have all been losses probably more as well.

So your point is removing a pre-season all american candidate and a freshman combo guard who is score first mentality adds up to than many losses? Name one other team that wouldn't apply too? There is no country in the nation that could lose 20-30 points per game and not lose the majority of their games, I would gladly take 2 X-fers who have proven they can get 10-15 any night, easy those two are replaced then.

All that said, the problem primarily with this years team, was it was built around Hawk (hasn't lived up to the hype/potential as of yet), TSJ who knew he was going to be the BMOC no matter what, and Mayer who for all his talents seems to have been a headache on many different occasions. Sometimes the old adage of addition by subtraction can actually make sense.

TSJ I would love to have back, Hawk as well, Mayer and Epps (both seemed to tune out BU) are not at the end of the day that big of a deal. I like Harris long term more than Epps. I think any other transfer can basically add up to Mayer...losing TSJ will hurt, however, I think losing Hawk is more important, because he is harder to game plan for.
 
Don't forget the B1G overall will be much worse next year: PSU/Indiana/Purdue/Iowa/Nebraska/Rutgers/ and yes the ILLINI are all due for rough years. That said, if half the league is worse off, then this helps us, just as much as them.
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Re: 2023 PORTAL TRACKING THREAD
« Reply #64 on: March 31, 2023, 01:14:44 AM »
The team moving forward needs proven scorers. Period. Two or ideally three of them who were 10+ ppg relied upon scoring options on their teams - not 4th options.

If TJS does not return we will not have anything resembling a go to guy. We will need to hit the portal hard for at least two and hopefully three decent proven scorers. (post/wing/PG).
 
Even if Hawkins returns he is not a consistent scorer. He really is kind of just a guy after three years who occasionally makes an athletic play.
Have no idea why any NBA team would want him on anything but a two way at best to take a look at for a year as a flyer. My advice to him is to learn Spanish and make a few bucks overseas and get a fcking jumpshot.
He can't shoot at all, he really can't guard his space one on one as he is not very strong, he is average rebounder, and he amazingly can't reliably get his own shot even though he is 6'10".

As noted we need a PG, but it needs to be a scoring point guard.
We need three point shooting badly.
Only guy coming back who can shoot the three is Goode and I am not sure he can do enough other stuff.

I could care less about RJ. Looks like a head case. He needs to start over somewhere else.

Harris and Rodgers are really just rotation guys on a good team. Not starters. Maybe as juniors or seniors. I like the effort and energy and physical ability, but they are unbelievably bad jump shooters and shoot free throws like shitty 4th graders.

Dainja is usable, had a decent first year, but we need another post guy. This poorly executed drop coverage bullshit we have been doing for years is embarrassing.

We will have some role guy talent coming back, a couple interesting freshmen, but none of it (except for Shannon if he returns) are proven scorers.
Shannon actually is a possible NBA prospect physically and athletically and skill wise and my hunch is with decent workouts he gets feedback that he can go second round and could make a roster.

Lets assume he does not return.

Hit the portal for guys who can score the fcking ball.

When you look at these teams who went deep, the only guys we had that would even play on these teams were TJS who really is a pretty damn good player, and then Hawkins as just long athletic support guy.

We were not good this year, they didn't like each other, and Underwood and staff are below average game and development coaches.
They did about as well as we could have hoped.
They were a Top 35-40 team and that is what we got.




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Re: 2023 PORTAL TRACKING THREAD
« Reply #65 on: March 31, 2023, 07:04:09 AM »
Without Shannon and Epps on this past year's team, it'd have lost 18+ games.  Those guys are far harder to replace than you think they are.

NW, MI, UCLA, Michigan State, Texas would have all been losses probably more as well.

It's not a tournament team without Shannon. No doubt. 

If Dainja, Rodgers, Goode and Harris return, they're returning more wins than last year. 

Underwood needs to fill a couple big gaps via the transfer portal though. 

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Re: 2023 PORTAL TRACKING THREAD
« Reply #66 on: March 31, 2023, 07:18:57 AM »
Welcome back, LKDog. Good to see you.
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Re: 2023 PORTAL TRACKING THREAD
« Reply #67 on: March 31, 2023, 08:26:24 AM »
Welcome back, LKDog. Good to see you.

Agreed.
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Re: 2023 PORTAL TRACKING THREAD
« Reply #68 on: March 31, 2023, 08:29:19 AM »
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Re: 2023 PORTAL TRACKING THREAD
« Reply #69 on: March 31, 2023, 08:41:30 AM »
I largely agree w/ LK except I think Rodgers has a higher upside and that a point guard who can actually distribute (which none of our 3 PGs could do this year) would make a huge difference in getting scoring out of Hawkins, Goode, RJ, etc.

If Shannon is gone we desperately need one of the 15 ppg+ guys to sign up, ideally a 2 guard but Brad has a fetish for positionless 6'7" wing forwards.

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Re: 2023 PORTAL TRACKING THREAD
« Reply #70 on: March 31, 2023, 08:58:16 AM »
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Still hiding behind innuendo and practicing the art of ommision.

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Re: 2023 PORTAL TRACKING THREAD
« Reply #71 on: March 31, 2023, 09:30:45 AM »
Other than it looked like we had a cancer in the locker room this year that hopefully caused the staff to research prevention and treatment, congratulations to Underwood.

Still hiding behind innuendo and practicing the art of ommision.

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Re: 2023 PORTAL TRACKING THREAD
« Reply #72 on: March 31, 2023, 09:35:51 AM »
We may have went out in the first round, but at least we defeated cancer.
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Re: 2023 PORTAL TRACKING THREAD
« Reply #73 on: March 31, 2023, 09:50:31 AM »
If anyone wants me to talk to some recruits, LMK.
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Re: 2023 PORTAL TRACKING THREAD
« Reply #74 on: March 31, 2023, 11:05:43 AM »
This program needs a shooting coach.

Not sure I can think of any player we have had since Underwood has been here who became a noticeably better shooter.
DaMonte had one year aberration then reverted to his norm.
Kofi never got better. Ayo never developed a threeball.
Trent never really improved. Grandison fell apart last year.
Melendez fell apart.


I mean Harris and Rodgers can go to the gym and take 500 shots a day until November, but if it is the same shit form you will get the same result.
They both need to be broken down from scratch.

The other chronic issue this program has is not bringing in legit point guards. A combo guard in HS rarely translates to a D1 level PG.
Ayo was phenomenal college off guard. Not a point guard. Trent was warrior and great off guard. Not a point guard.

Nowell is a point guard. He was in the fcking Sun Belt for three years. These are the type of guys we play in pre season who give us a new asshole and a scare every year, but we are too focused on wings (as noted by others) who can do a lot of things, but nothing really well.